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Why did they remove the eye shadow for Vuclan Males

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    jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,365 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    Fashions move in cycles. A couple hundred years ago, high heels were worn by fashionable men, not women. Male makeup and wigs were a thing as late as the early 19th century.

    So, apparently, male facial makeup was in vogue on Vulcan in the 2260s, but by 2410 it's fallen out of fashion. <shrug> Can't really bring myself to care one way or the other, honestly.​​
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    daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    Cause They felt like it...?
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    Ohh Efff buddy. do you have to be a TRIBBLE and comment on everything if it isn't something you don't care about. Honestly.
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    daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    Perhaps They are going to make it an option ONLY for TOS Toons...?
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    iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    I'm not saying it's Iconians, but... well, yeah. You see where I'm going with this.​​
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    berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    Emo Vulcans are not logical.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    bergins wrote: »
    Emo Vulcans are not logical.

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    warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    So, apparently, male facial makeup was in vogue on Vulcan in the 2260s, but by 2410 it's fallen out of fashion. <shrug> Can't really bring myself to care one way or the other, honestly.​​
    And heaven forbid some player wanting a character to not be fashionable.


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    jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,365 Arc User
    theunknown0#4185 wrote: »
    Ohh Efff buddy. do you have to be a TRIBBLE and comment on everything if it isn't something you don't care about. Honestly.
    So, you're saying posting should only be in service of flame wars?​​
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    nefarius2nefarius2 Member Posts: 107 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    theunknown0#4185 wrote: »
    Ohh Efff buddy. do you have to be a TRIBBLE and comment on everything if it isn't something you don't care about. Honestly.
    So, you're saying posting should only be in service of flame wars?​​

    And you are not starting one by being snarky for the sake of it and belittling the OP's question?
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    jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,365 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    nefarius2 wrote: »
    jonsills wrote: »
    theunknown0#4185 wrote: »
    Ohh Efff buddy. do you have to be a TRIBBLE and comment on everything if it isn't something you don't care about. Honestly.
    So, you're saying posting should only be in service of flame wars?

    And you are not starting one by being snarky for the sake of it and belittling the OP's question?
    Nope. At least, if you think so, you've got a pretty low bar for "flame".

    Flame wars tend to kick up when the only people posting are those who feel passionately one way or the other about an issue. It's hard to want to insult someone when your feeling is, "Eh, not a big deal."​​
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    vengefuldjinnvengefuldjinn Member Posts: 1,520 Arc User
    You know, I never considered that "make-up", rather a racial trait, admittedly it wasn't consistent.

    Still, it does have a TOS feel to it on Vulcans, at least for me.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    To me it's removing a bit of my toons identity.
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    sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    To bother with something so small there has to be a reason for it. And as someone said the reason is likely to differentiate TOS Vulcans from modern Vulcans.
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    tousseautousseau Member Posts: 1,484 Arc User
    I'm going to guess that Cryptic wants to limit Vulcan eyeshadow to TOS/AOY Vulcans.
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    jodarkriderjodarkrider Member Posts: 2,097 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    The obsession with restricting character customization, despite of most of us wanting more options is really disappointing.

    Given all character-customization things are purely cosmetic and have no real bearing on the gameplay or balance, I find it absurd. Mind you, these may be small things, but it sends a wrong message to us. Why is there such a great-deal placed on policing creativity & outfits/assets our characters can and cannot wear?

    Shouldn't creativity be something promoted, especially that the game allows it and harms nobody? If someone doesn't like things, they can opt out and not use them, but it should never be a reason to restrict other people's characters from things.
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    artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited June 2016
    Well, looks like I can never edit my Vulcan BOFFs face ever again.

    Edit: Never mind, looks like it's only for males. Looks like I can never edit a different character's Vulcan BOFF's face again.​​
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    kitsunesnoutkitsunesnout Member Posts: 1,210 Arc User
    jodarkrider wrote: »
    The obsession with restricting character customization, despite of most of us wanting more options is really disappointing.

    Given all character-customization things are purely cosmetic and have no real bearing on the gameplay or balance, I find it absurd. Mind you, these may be small things, but it sends a wrong message to us. Why is there such a great-deal placed on policing creativity & outfits/assets our characters can and cannot wear?

    Shouldn't creativity be something promoted, especially that the game allows it and harms nobody? If someone doesn't like things, they can opt out and not use them, but it should never be a reason to restrict other people's characters from things.

    My thoughts summed up exactly. Please take note Cryptic, this is not a desired trend.
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    iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    Vulcan eyeshadow was no longer up to the standards of quality for Star Trek Online, and was removed to make the game better.​​
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    casbynesscasbyness Member Posts: 171 Arc User
    Don't worry, I'm sure they'll sell it back to us via a micro-transaction at some point... -_-

    Remarkably sexist to remove this and the long nails though. I guess the Cryptic offices have forgotten about equality in the workplace? 1950s character creator tool for a 2010s game set in the 2410s :p
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    mmps1mmps1 Member Posts: 381 Arc User
    They lost the tie in deal with max factor :(
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    davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    jodarkrider wrote: »
    The obsession with restricting character customization, despite of most of us wanting more options is really disappointing.

    Given all character-customization things are purely cosmetic and have no real bearing on the gameplay or balance, I find it absurd. Mind you, these may be small things, but it sends a wrong message to us. Why is there such a great-deal placed on policing creativity & outfits/assets our characters can and cannot wear?

    Shouldn't creativity be something promoted, especially that the game allows it and harms nobody? If someone doesn't like things, they can opt out and not use them, but it should never be a reason to restrict other people's characters from things.

    Exactly. Let men wear skirts / skants, let women wear pants (yes I know they can now :) ), let men have long fingernails and long hair and makeup, let Orion women wear something besides bikinis.

    Let boffs and on-duty captains wear every costume that we've paid for or unlocked. If we want to create a Club 47 disco Stu bridge crew then let us.

    IDIC.
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    jodarkriderjodarkrider Member Posts: 2,097 Arc User
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    Exactly. Let men wear skirts / skants, let women wear pants (yes I know they can now :) ), let men have long fingernails and long hair and makeup, let Orion women wear something besides bikinis.

    Let boffs and on-duty captains wear every costume that we've paid for or unlocked. If we want to create a Club 47 disco Stu bridge crew then let us.

    IDIC.
    Pretty much this. I'm on the mindset that aside of my character & crew, it's none of my business as to what other people's characters look like & wear. If someone is merely 'offended' by a character they don't like appearing in their vicinity, they really should understand that they have no right to dictate choices to others. STO as a game has so much potential to promote creativity & IDIC. Many of us would love more options to perk-up our characters in Star-Trek style, with options that are unavailable to us currently.

    And if someone wants to create funky-looking characters? I may not like some choices people make... but again; as long as I am not forced to use them on my characters, it's perfectly fine. As you aptly said, IDIC. The very base & premise of Star Trek is promoting diversity. Things like this go against that very premise.

    So yes, something like removing eye-shadows from Vulcan males may seem trivial on the first sight, small & insignificant. The principle.. and the message it sends to us is, what makes it much of a bigger issue & why eyebrows are being raised, at least imho.

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    nickodaemusnickodaemus Member Posts: 711 Arc User
    iconians wrote: »
    I'm not saying it's Iconians, but... well, yeah. You see where I'm going with this.​​

    If only you could sell eye liner to the Iconians - you'd be wealthier than the Grand Nagus.

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    gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    iconians wrote: »
    Vulcan eyeshadow was no longer up to the standards of quality for Star Trek Online, and was removed to make the game better.​​

    It was just too fabulous to continue.
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    I wonder if it was a CBS decision, not a Cryptic one
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    artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    Welp. Time to ragequit :D
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    kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    I still think this will be the new lifer perk for TOS, you can make your Vulcans canon and fabulous with eye shadow
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