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Upgrading T5 ships

cocaiinee00cocaiinee00 Member Posts: 7 Arc User
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Is it ever worth it? There is a really cool looking T5 ship i wouldn't mind having.

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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    yeah upgrading to T5U is worth it, it makes the ship stronger and the only thing it doesnt have is the mastery trait , that you can use from other T6s.

  • grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
    I think so. It gives you extra hull points, an extra console slot and traits. Sure it aint as big an increase as a T6 ship, but the T5 ship you upgrade can be upgraded on your other characters of that faction for free (I don't think it includes fleet ships though). It's also cheaper to get an upgrade module than a full T6 ship, and those modules are available on the exchange for EC. I've gradually upgraded all my main T5 ships to T5-U.
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  • antonine3258antonine3258 Member Posts: 2,391 Arc User
    T5U ships are nearly as strong as T6 - the biggest lack is any of the specialization seats.
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    Overall, I would say it depends on the situation.

    If you don't have the Zen to purchase a T6 starship, then the Upgrade Token is a less expensive option for a better ship.

    If you really like the T5 ship you are flying even though there are T6 shinnies that you can afford to buy, then sure upgrade it.

    If there is no T6 ship that you like or a specific one is not yet available and you really like your current T5 ship, then sure, go ahead and upgrade the T5 ship.


    Back in December 2014 I decided to upgrade my T5 B'rel BoP to T5U because there was not T6 BoP available for purchase. I have a KDF captain that exclusively flies BoP. However, all my other captains in the 3 faction (except my Romulan Science captain) were flying T6 starships because I purchased the Delta Ops Pack which included some T6 starships for the 3 factions.
  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    its expensive and what you get is a ship that lacks the new officer seating (intel being extremely powerful, the others are no better than the 3 basic types) and a mastery trait and might have slightly less good stats.
    Comes down to what you want, but I will say it: you are giving up a lot for a cosmetic.
    If its also a good ship (there are som t5U gems) all you may be giving up is an intel seat "in practice". If its a weak t5 ship, you might be giving up a fair bit more. That is not crucial -- any t5u can do anything in the game if you build it well and dps is so off the charts that even poorish ships can be tuned to do more than sufficient damage for the PVE content. If the ship is not a strong one, you just need to ask yourself if its worth it for a cosmetic skin / RP playstyle or are you wanting to be the most poweful ship in the sky. If you want to role play and fly what looks cool to you, do it and be happy.

  • glenn#1579 glenn
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    cocaiinee00 wrote: »
    Is it ever worth it? There is a really cool looking T5 ship i wouldn't mind having.

    I would say no unless money is an issue. T5 ships are expensive and a T6 is only a few bucks more. It would be interesting to know what ship we are talking about, that way we could provide more than generic advice.
  • cocaiinee00cocaiinee00 Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    glenn#1579 wrote: »
    cocaiinee00 wrote: »
    Is it ever worth it? There is a really cool looking T5 ship i wouldn't mind having.

    I would say no unless money is an issue. T5 ships are expensive and a T6 is only a few bucks more. It would be interesting to know what ship we are talking about, that way we could provide more than generic advice.

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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    cocaiinee00 wrote: »
    glenn#1579 wrote: »
    cocaiinee00 wrote: »
    Is it ever worth it? There is a really cool looking T5 ship i wouldn't mind having.

    I would say no unless money is an issue. T5 ships are expensive and a T6 is only a few bucks more. It would be interesting to know what ship we are talking about, that way we could provide more than generic advice.

    Dyson Recon Sci Destroyer.
    On the Federation side, there are good Tier 6 Science Vessel options as alternative.
    On KDF and RR, you would need a lockbox/promo/lobi/event faction-neutral ship to have such an option.

    I flew the Romulan Dyson Destroyer (the only one whose design I really enjoyed, so much that I deem it one of my favorite Romulan designs) and it's an excellent science ship, though I found the Destroyer mode relatively unimpressive and a possible build trap if you really try to focus on it (The Federation's Vesta ships hangar bay slot is better in comparison). But that mode is basically a freebie.

    The one thing you might miss on it would probably be that (unlike most Tier 6 Science Vessels) it doesn't have access to Override Subsystem Safeties. That's a neat buff on any ship.
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  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    The dyson is capable at 60 as a sci ship, though its much weaker than other alternatives. The intel OSS sci build got nerfed due to the recent patch, so overcapped aux is less interesting and effective, making the dyson relatively stronger than it was a month ago.

    as a tac ship, its weak due to the 3.25 forward weapons in a 5 forward weapon world.
    as a sci ship, it lacks a ltcmdr sci so its missing that second GW or TBR or whatever you would have slotted.

    still, its a fairly solid ship at t5U and if you just have to have it for RP/cosmetic reasons it can at least function.

  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,849 Arc User
    edited April 2016
    noroblad wrote: »
    The dyson is capable at 60 as a sci ship, though its much weaker than other alternatives. The intel OSS sci build got nerfed due to the recent patch, so overcapped aux is less interesting and effective, making the dyson relatively stronger than it was a month ago.

    as a tac ship, its weak due to the 3.25 forward weapons in a 5 forward weapon world.
    as a sci ship, it lacks a ltcmdr sci so its missing that second GW or TBR or whatever you would have slotted.

    still, its a fairly solid ship at t5U and if you just have to have it for RP/cosmetic reasons it can at least function.

    Eh...a second LTC Sci (assuming you mean outside of the Commander Sci) isn't necessary for a good sci ship. (Wells,Dyson,Dauntless and Krenim Sci are all Commander Sci and Lt Sci[Universal] for instance). All can be used to devastating effect and Deeps in ISA.

    The Caprimul is all i really Fly on my Alt (even with the Krenim Sci Vessel on that toon), Cuz its purrdy...Only other sci ship I know of with a innate battle cloak is the Daemosh. And that ship is slightly faster..

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  • nephitisnephitis Member Posts: 456 Arc User
    cocaiinee00 wrote: »
    Is it ever worth it? There is a really cool looking T5 ship i wouldn't mind having.
    It depends entirely on what ship you are upgrading for which class segment and ship category. For example, if you are a tactical carrier lover then is it worth upgrading the Jemhadar Dreadnought Carrier? Sure, if it is the only ship you have and can afford. Now, is it more worth to upgrade the Narcine Aquatic Carrier which is nearly identical but has an edge in mobility? Most certainly because then you are piloting the second best tactical carrier ship in terms of stats, BOFF seating and hangar pets. Is there a better hangar carrier out there with similiar and exceeding specs? Oh yes, the T6 Iconian Vonph Dreadnought Carrier.

    What extra does the Vonph ship come with? A 4th tactical BOFF ability slot, fast and agile Baltim Raiders pets or Mir fighters, a super good starship trait and a Command BOFF seating. It's also an awesome looking ship. Are both the Jemhadar Dreadnought and Narcine Aquatic spaceworthy ships despite being T5? Absolutely.

    Is the Dyson Recon Sci Destroyer worth upgrading? If you like flying Sci ships with a psuedo tactical orientation, then yes. It's also a very good looking ship with neat toggleable features. So go ahead and upgrade.
  • narthaisnarthais Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    nephitis wrote: »
    It depends entirely on what ship you are upgrading for which class segment and ship category. For example, if you are a tactical carrier lover then is it worth upgrading the Jemhadar Dreadnought Carrier? Sure, if it is the only ship you have and can afford. Now, is it more worth to upgrade the Narcine Aquatic Carrier which is nearly identical but has an edge in mobility? Most certainly because then you are piloting the second best tactical carrier ship in terms of stats, BOFF seating and hangar pets. Is there a better hangar carrier out there with similiar and exceeding specs? Oh yes, the T6 Iconian Vonph Dreadnought Carrier.

    Your stated example is a bit of a moot point since both the narcine and jem dred get the upgrade free for being lockbox ships, theres no reason not to update them.
  • timonicustimonicus Member Posts: 89 Arc User
    I personally prefer my t5u narcine over my t6 sarr theln carrier, extra weapon slot, decent console layout, i think the pets are better, it can deal more damage and its not as squishy
  • steaensteaen Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    From my experience I would say yes - I have a few T6 ships, yet what I fly most is my T5U Mobius Temporal Destroyer. I don't do huge insane amounts of DPS in it, but I can deal with all the content I play comfortably enough and without burdening my team-mates.

    There is not anywhere near as much of a difference between T5U and T6 as some would have you believe, and T5U ships are by no means obsolete if built decently and used right.
  • timonicustimonicus Member Posts: 89 Arc User
    I personally prefer my t5u narcine over my t6 sarr theln carrier, extra weapon slot, decent console layout, i think the pets are better, it can deal more damage and its not as squishy
  • nephitisnephitis Member Posts: 456 Arc User
    narthais wrote: »
    Your stated example is a bit of a moot point since both the narcine and jem dred get the upgrade free for being lockbox ships, theres no reason not to update them.
    Perhaps but you did not read between the lines. My example is still a valid as to whether it is a good or bad idea to stick with T5 and T5U or to go straight for T6 and ignore T5/T5U altogether. I used those three ships as an example because they are very close to one another in terms of ship category, ship specifications and BOFF seating. Nothing is going to change that.

    I don't know what it is with people being so quick to point out flaws in other people's posts. I at least did give a very concrete example rather than using abstract words that T5U is sufficient without really saying why or how.

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