Uh, my last post said the quads had been improved? It was latiasracer that seemed to think there was a DPS loss from using them instead of a DHC.
Oh, lol. My bad. Miss pasted the names at the wrong spots then xD
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
When I was flying a Defiant my go-to canonish build was Quad cannons up front with two DHCs and a quantum torpedo launcher. Aft was turrets. If I were to build it again I'd keep the fore layout the same, put in an omni-beam array in the aft, lose one turret to a rear torp launcher and probably replace the last turret with the heavy bio turret. Yeah the green phaser bolt is ick but I can live with it.
From memory though I think I tried the omni array in the aft and I wasn't happy that its hardpoints weren't where they should have been (roughly centre of the ship, the bridge module is where the 360' beam emitter was located).
Sisko talks about the Defiant having photon torpedoes and quantum torpedoes, but it's mainly the latter. Photons were really explicitly stated once clearly, in S3's 'The Adversary'. Before and since then it's been quantums. Yes, I know about the fight with the Lakota. What people don't remember is that quantum torpedoes sound distinctly different from photon torpedoes. The visual graphic makes it look like a photon but the sound makes it sound like a quantum. Another example is the episode in S4 where Worf shot that klingon transport. In the flashback Worf says 'quantum torpedoes, full spread' and onscreen we see what looks like photon torpedoes but dialogue says they're quantums and the sound is quantums as well.
Ah. So your saying although its stated that it carries/has photon torpedoes, its never really shown clearly to use them just quantums.
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
Well, in 'Paradise Lost' (fight with the Lakota) you hear neither a photon nor a quantum sound-fx during the scene when the Defiant fires the aft torpedo - it sounds more like her cannon fire sound-fx - anyway.. the shape and color cleary indicates a photon torpedo.
"We might get pretty singed at that range, but not as singed as they're going to get. Engage."
- Captain Six of Nine aka Ashley "Don't Call Me Ash" Campbell
@kurumimorishita Where did you get that signature picture? Had it made via site or you made it yourself?
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
@kurumimorishita Where did you get that signature picture? Had it made via site or you made it yourself?
I made it myself from a screenshot, that I posted in the Epic Screenshot Thread is Epic-thread.. here's the big version.. U.S.S. Valkyrie (well, not big, as there's always a bigger one on my harddisk, but still bigger than the signature - hehe )
"We might get pretty singed at that range, but not as singed as they're going to get. Engage."
- Captain Six of Nine aka Ashley "Don't Call Me Ash" Campbell
@kurumimorishita Where did you get that signature picture? Had it made via site or you made it yourself?
I made it myself from a screenshot, that I posted in the Epic Screenshot Thread is Epic-thread.. here's the big version.. U.S.S. Valkyrie (well, not big, as there's always a bigger one on my harddisk, but still bigger than the signature - hehe )
Impressive. Looked Professional to me instead of haphazard stuff that you see a lot in these sigs lol
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
When I came to building a canon Defiant I did rather a lot of DS9 watching and general research and ended up creating this: http://www.kaysvaultofstuff.com/canon-defiant.html (please note this was made before the advent of Mk XIV and omni phaser beams)
Ah. So your saying although its stated that it carries/has photon torpedoes, its never really shown clearly to use them just quantums.
Sort of. I think the Defiant can use both, and the canon supports that. What you could do is just use quantums and no photons and you'd be on solid ground, as far as canon was concerned. You could use photons as well and the same applies. Or a mix of both.
Unfortunately we don't have the dual-forward quantum torpedo launcher that the Defiant is shown firing multiple times. The T6 Defiant would have been a good opportunity to have that, and we got a console instead.
Ah. So your saying although its stated that it carries/has photon torpedoes, its never really shown clearly to use them just quantums.
Sort of. I think the Defiant can use both, and the canon supports that. What you could do is just use quantums and no photons and you'd be on solid ground, as far as canon was concerned. You could use photons as well and the same applies. Or a mix of both.
Unfortunately we don't have the dual-forward quantum torpedo launcher that the Defiant is shown firing multiple times. The T6 Defiant would have been a good opportunity to have that, and we got a console instead.
Agreed. Instead of a console they should have made it a unique weapon like the Quad Phaser Cannons... a Dual Quantum Torpedo Launcher They can always do that. They have done it in the past where they change the makeup/dynamic of a set. I'll make a new thread on this topic, hehe
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
BTW can we rename this "Canonical Build" instead of Canon build? Too much confusion with the weapon type versus a build geared toward matching show accuracy.
My "Cannonical" Defiant is:
Front: Quad Phaser canons x1, 2x Dual Heavy Phaser canons, 1x Quantum Phase Torpedo (instead of a normal quantum... its close enough in accuracy but packs a much better punch)
Rear: 1x Omni Phaser Beam array, 2x Phaser turrets
I use the 3-piece Defiant set as well with the cloak, along with the 2-piece Quantum Phase set. If I was going for a more serious Phaser set I would use the Bio turret 2-piece and the cutting beam 2-piece, along with the Quantum Phase set dual cannons up front but the weapon colors get all screwy LOL
I use Scatter Volley plus Beam overload along with Torp spread III for effect. Rapid fire would be more show accurate, but unless you are doing PVP stick with Scatter Volley.
Its a much more effective build (50k+ DPS) than what you are running as a Canonical build, but still gives the feeling of flying a real defiant like we saw on the show and makes me happy.
BTW can we rename this "Canonical Build" instead of Canon build? Too much confusion with the weapon type versus a build geared toward matching show accuracy.
My "Cannonical" Defiant is:
Front: Quad Phaser canons x1, 2x Dual Heavy Phaser canons, 1x Quantum Phase Torpedo (instead of a normal quantum... its close enough in accuracy but packs a much better punch)
Rear: 1x Omni Phaser Beam array, 2x Phaser turrets
I use the 3-piece Defiant set as well with the cloak, along with the 2-piece Quantum Phase set. If I was going for a more serious Phaser set I would use the Bio turret 2-piece and the cutting beam 2-piece, along with the Quantum Phase set dual cannons up front but the weapon colors get all screwy LOL
I use Scatter Volley plus Beam overload along with Torp spread III for effect. Rapid fire would be more show accurate, but unless you are doing PVP stick with Scatter Volley.
Its a much more effective build (50k+ DPS) than what you are running as a Canonical build, but still gives the feeling of flying a real defiant like we saw on the show and makes me happy.
There we go, changed the title
As for my setup, I am perfectly fine with giving up some DPS to have the ship look the part accurately, which is the goal. Besides the setup I have is over adequate for the stuff I do: Normal and Advanced Episodes/STFs and I haven't PvPed since the Borg were the endgame content. Its almost like the show where the Defiant destroys ships in quick succession. Because of the power creep it allows canonically accurate builds to soar. Thanks for the info though, I'm sure someone who is less canonically inclined will find your suggestion quite useful
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
If you want to go pure canon for the defiant, your front would be the Quad Phaser Cannons, and the rest would be torpedo tubes, likely quantums (I dont ever recall seeing it fire photons from the front). The back would be an Omni phaser and photons.
You could replace a some of the fore weapons with dual phaser cannons, as they would blend in better with the quads then DHC's would, although you would be sacrificing a bit on weapon procs.
When the wiki says 4 phaser cannons, it's more then likely refering to it's 4 fire-linked phaser cannons you always see it using, which in STO is instead referred to as a quad phaser cannon.
Weapons:
Pulse Phaser Cannons. 4 of these. They are seen at the front of the nacelle base at the main body mounts.
Torpedo Launchers. 2 of these. One on each side upper forward of the nacelle cowling.
Detachable Warhead section. This has a magazine of 6 photons and small impulse engine.
Funny part is it don't show the rest of the weapons.
I fly a Defiant as well on my Fed Tac. Its called the Renegade. Its more of a multi-attack ship. I don't think mine is close to "Canon" build. But going by what I saw on the shows and what is listed in reading material. Is what I based mine off.
Rear:
Phaser Array
Quantum Torpedo
Mines - Currently the Quantum Mines. I do have the tractor beam mines and cluster missile types to help adjust to mission requirements.
I know the shows it had firing torpedoes. Mostly the Quantum. So that is why I chose them. Then the Quad Pulse Cannons, I used the Quads on the game. So that will match up. Also it has fired some phaser from some kind of array in various places. So that is why I'm using arrays in the front and rear. To get a cover arc of the full ship. Until I get a Omni Phaser Array. Then I will throw that in and put in another set of Cannons. The DDB, I added for the added forward punch. We know they used the Defiant to lay mines at the wormhole. So that is why mine has those.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Been reading this thread looking for tips and it's got some good info. I've been running a very similar build on a Phantom (because lets face it that is what a T6 Defiant should have been!) and it works really well.
May not top any DPS league but it is more than adequate I find. If you know how to handle cannons then you should have no issues.
Aft:
Phaser omni beam.
Quantum Phase Torp (it's quantum after all)
Wide Angle Quantum Torp (handy when you do a strafing run and want to drop a spread on the enemy as you pass).
I've got the starship trait off the Vaadwaur Manasa Escort which increases forward shield hardness, amazing for going in for attack runs. Others are pretty standard - AHOD, Reciprocity. Don't have the Arbiter so no access to it's trait.
One of my fave canon ships is the Defiant.. there is no other ship in my fleet that I fly thru WCB's more than the Defiant!
Naturally.. being in STB mine is all canonized out I have 2 configs
Config 1(T5U)
fore: Quad cannons, phaser DHC's x 3 & Quantum phase torp OR Quantum torp
aft: Phaser beam array OR phaser Omni beam, photon torp, Quantum torp OR photon torp OR Breen Cluster torp
Config 2 (T6)
fore: Quad cannons, Quantum phase torp, Quantum torps x 2
aft: Phaser beam array OR phaser Omni beam, photon torp, Quantum torp OR Photon torp OR Breen Cluster torp
For the powers I tend to always go single target with maybe a TS thrown in there... cuz it looks cool haha.
The name of my ships is USS Defiance and I love both configs.. currently flyn the Config 2 cuz torps
I may at some time go for the fleet versions but they both do more than enough in the content we have.
Have fun and stay canon Captain .. hope to see you in game sometime 07
I recently removed one torp to fit the Quantum Phaser Array, and replaced another front torp with the Quantum Phased version. Now my Defiant has the ability to fire a phaser pulse through the deflector dish array (3-piece set), just like the shows! Though I keep the Quantum Phaser Array off (not autofire) cause its not standard FED phaser color. But it still satisfies the forward facing phaser array location of the canon build for that purpose but I use the aft Omni-direction Phaser in practice for forward engagements.
Do you happen to remember what kind of mines did the Defiant equip when it was laying mines?
Post edited by stolts on
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
If they explained that the yield of the detonation was similar to a certain type like photon, then I would use photon as well.
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
Well, the "standard" mines for feds should be Antimatter mines (they were used by the Enterprise-D in 2369 for example - and are part of the Defiant class in the Star Trek Armada games), but they're not available in STO, too - yet.
"We might get pretty singed at that range, but not as singed as they're going to get. Engage."
- Captain Six of Nine aka Ashley "Don't Call Me Ash" Campbell
Not exactly - photon torpedos feature a spherical chamber in the forward section where matter and antimatter are brought together to detonate the weapon - antimatter mines just use antimatter.
"We might get pretty singed at that range, but not as singed as they're going to get. Engage."
- Captain Six of Nine aka Ashley "Don't Call Me Ash" Campbell
Comments
Oh, lol. My bad. Miss pasted the names at the wrong spots then xD
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
Ah. So your saying although its stated that it carries/has photon torpedoes, its never really shown clearly to use them just quantums.
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
I made it myself from a screenshot, that I posted in the Epic Screenshot Thread is Epic-thread.. here's the big version.. U.S.S. Valkyrie (well, not big, as there's always a bigger one on my harddisk, but still bigger than the signature - hehe
Impressive. Looked Professional to me instead of haphazard stuff that you see a lot in these sigs lol
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
Unfortunately we don't have the dual-forward quantum torpedo launcher that the Defiant is shown firing multiple times. The T6 Defiant would have been a good opportunity to have that, and we got a console instead.
Agreed. Instead of a console they should have made it a unique weapon like the Quad Phaser Cannons... a Dual Quantum Torpedo Launcher
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
My "Cannonical" Defiant is:
Front: Quad Phaser canons x1, 2x Dual Heavy Phaser canons, 1x Quantum Phase Torpedo (instead of a normal quantum... its close enough in accuracy but packs a much better punch)
Rear: 1x Omni Phaser Beam array, 2x Phaser turrets
I use the 3-piece Defiant set as well with the cloak, along with the 2-piece Quantum Phase set. If I was going for a more serious Phaser set I would use the Bio turret 2-piece and the cutting beam 2-piece, along with the Quantum Phase set dual cannons up front but the weapon colors get all screwy LOL
I use Scatter Volley plus Beam overload along with Torp spread III for effect. Rapid fire would be more show accurate, but unless you are doing PVP stick with Scatter Volley.
Its a much more effective build (50k+ DPS) than what you are running as a Canonical build, but still gives the feeling of flying a real defiant like we saw on the show and makes me happy.
There we go, changed the title
As for my setup, I am perfectly fine with giving up some DPS to have the ship look the part accurately, which is the goal. Besides the setup I have is over adequate for the stuff I do: Normal and Advanced Episodes/STFs and I haven't PvPed since the Borg were the endgame content. Its almost like the show where the Defiant destroys ships in quick succession. Because of the power creep it allows canonically accurate builds to soar. Thanks for the info though, I'm sure someone who is less canonically inclined will find your suggestion quite useful
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
You could replace a some of the fore weapons with dual phaser cannons, as they would blend in better with the quads then DHC's would, although you would be sacrificing a bit on weapon procs.
When the wiki says 4 phaser cannons, it's more then likely refering to it's 4 fire-linked phaser cannons you always see it using, which in STO is instead referred to as a quad phaser cannon.
Some ships of course will still use photons while quantum replaces them.
Let us ask the real question.
Why do future people have a fetish for chronoton torpedo's?
Weapons:
Pulse Phaser Cannons. 4 of these. They are seen at the front of the nacelle base at the main body mounts.
Torpedo Launchers. 2 of these. One on each side upper forward of the nacelle cowling.
Detachable Warhead section. This has a magazine of 6 photons and small impulse engine.
Funny part is it don't show the rest of the weapons.
I fly a Defiant as well on my Fed Tac. Its called the Renegade. Its more of a multi-attack ship. I don't think mine is close to "Canon" build. But going by what I saw on the shows and what is listed in reading material. Is what I based mine off.
Front:
Phaser Array
Phaser DBB
Quad Phaser Cannon
Quantum Torpedo
Rear:
Phaser Array
Quantum Torpedo
Mines - Currently the Quantum Mines. I do have the tractor beam mines and cluster missile types to help adjust to mission requirements.
I know the shows it had firing torpedoes. Mostly the Quantum. So that is why I chose them. Then the Quad Pulse Cannons, I used the Quads on the game. So that will match up. Also it has fired some phaser from some kind of array in various places. So that is why I'm using arrays in the front and rear. To get a cover arc of the full ship. Until I get a Omni Phaser Array. Then I will throw that in and put in another set of Cannons. The DDB, I added for the added forward punch. We know they used the Defiant to lay mines at the wormhole. So that is why mine has those.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
May not top any DPS league but it is more than adequate I find. If you know how to handle cannons then you should have no issues.
Fore:
Quad Phaser cannons
2 x Phaser DHC's (UR Fleet Elites)
Fleet Advanced Quantum Torp
Aft:
Phaser omni beam.
Quantum Phase Torp (it's quantum after all)
Wide Angle Quantum Torp (handy when you do a strafing run and want to drop a spread on the enemy as you pass).
I've got the starship trait off the Vaadwaur Manasa Escort which increases forward shield hardness, amazing for going in for attack runs. Others are pretty standard - AHOD, Reciprocity. Don't have the Arbiter so no access to it's trait.
One of my fave canon ships is the Defiant.. there is no other ship in my fleet that I fly thru WCB's more than the Defiant!
Naturally.. being in STB mine is all canonized out
Config 1(T5U)
fore: Quad cannons, phaser DHC's x 3 & Quantum phase torp OR Quantum torp
aft: Phaser beam array OR phaser Omni beam, photon torp, Quantum torp OR photon torp OR Breen Cluster torp
Config 2 (T6)
fore: Quad cannons, Quantum phase torp, Quantum torps x 2
aft: Phaser beam array OR phaser Omni beam, photon torp, Quantum torp OR Photon torp OR Breen Cluster torp
For the powers I tend to always go single target with maybe a TS thrown in there... cuz it looks cool haha.
The name of my ships is USS Defiance and I love both configs.. currently flyn the Config 2 cuz torps
I may at some time go for the fleet versions but they both do more than enough in the content we have.
Have fun and stay canon Captain .. hope to see you in game sometime 07
I recently removed one torp to fit the Quantum Phaser Array, and replaced another front torp with the Quantum Phased version. Now my Defiant has the ability to fire a phaser pulse through the deflector dish array (3-piece set), just like the shows! Though I keep the Quantum Phaser Array off (not autofire) cause its not standard FED phaser color. But it still satisfies the forward facing phaser array location of the canon build for that purpose but I use the aft Omni-direction Phaser in practice for forward engagements.
Do you happen to remember what kind of mines did the Defiant equip when it was laying mines?
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
Self-replicating mines invented by O'Brien and Rom.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Aww nuts. Guess I'll have to wait till they come out with that, lol.
If they explained that the yield of the detonation was similar to a certain type like photon, then I would use photon as well.
The first Belfast was commanded by Captain Ve'Kal Shon until its destruction in 2409. A new ship was commissioned bearing the same name and registry as special dispensation to then newly promoted Captain Edward XIII for his pivotal role during the renewed Dominion War.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.