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longshadowace1
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2 Question Why nerf Leech. 2nd Question why nerf players, just add 50-100 res on mobs &mobs ships?
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2. Good question (in general). But so far it looks like only highly specialised builds, sci builds especially, are being nerfed. All other players actually gain something, cause aux power will be more useful at lower settings + a lot of powers have had their effectiveness increased on top of that.
Unfortunetaly, I might add, that those who sacrifice nothing are rewarded and others who do sacrifice to specialise are rewarded less or even punished (I haven't seen Tribble yet after the latest changes so not sure which one to pick here).
It's just sad that they chose to change sci builds, rather than the top performing career and abilities and fix some of the longstanding issues with FAW for example.
As far as nerfing players vs buffing enemies, it depends. For example, BFaW is over-performing compared to other tac powers. That makes sense to nerf. I'm fine with buffing enemies' AI, not their stats. No-one likes unchallenging damage sponge enemies that only serve to make missions take more time.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
It was heavily nerfed by accident first, but it has since been buffed but is a little weaker than on holodeck. Allthough there's a lot more items now that give drain expertise, so in the end it kind of balances itself out again and the status quo remains.
Ya, I must have misremembered a post or something, I've edited my post.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
Nerf players how? How exactly have you been nerfed?
I don't know how you can honestly expect an informed response to such a vague question.
Needed: A skill comes out that is really OP, and destroys the enemy with ease. Or in PVP used to really hurt the other players in either DPS or stun. When this happens you need to adjust. To help balance it out some. Sometimes as the game moves on in years. New stuff comes out. This is once again either nerf or buff to keep the balance.
Not Needed: Is when players cry about certain stuff that isn't OP at all. They cry enough until its changed, and end up really messing up the game. Then later they will cry how hard it is, and how they die faster. Cause that skill is gone. This is where FAW will fall into the game.
As for the leach, I never had that skill or ability. So I can't tell you how it was.
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LOL, very simple way of putting things but yes, this is true
Subspace decompiler and countermeasure systems abilities got a super boost, but I suspect we'll see a downwards adjustment soon since most of us are going from zero on both to a lot of control skill.
What irks me is that the effect of shield power on shield resistance and aux on science abilities got both adjusted down. I have yet to see any comments on adjustment related to weapons or engine power.
Science really didn't needed to be hit with the nerf bat. Most of the players just use FAW left and right.
I suspect that most of the drains will follow the same model, but there are some reports of the effects from Aux power not working as people are expecting them to.
Because of their decision to "normalize" how science mechanics work, there really was no easy way to equalize performance for everyone. Feel free to run the math models to see this for this yourself.
Obviously!
Not only that, but it's the worst kind of nerf.
Giving mobs a little more DR won't even be noticed by high DPS players, but players that are on the lower end of the spectrum would suffer the biggest hit.
The OP's idea would do nothing but punish undergeared players, non DPS oriented players, and those trying to learn the game.
He still hasn't explained exactly how he's being nerfed to begin with.
1: leech originally was alot less effective under the new trees than what it was supposed to be, this has been changed and although it has taken a slight nerf, it's better than what it would have been.
2: In what way are you being nerfed now? If there is a stat or something that is severely underperforming compared to current holodeck then speak up now so it can be looked at and addressed, otherwise it may be missed and be too late to change it.
3: Adding resists or further resists to mobs serves no purpose and as others have pointed out would only make it much harder on those folks at the lower end of the gear and damage spectrum. lets suppose they did add in extra resists on the mobs and they cut 5k from everyone's damage. For someone who deals 35k, doing 30k now isn't going to be that huge of a difference to them. If however you take someone who normally does 10k in damage, you've just cut their damage in half. Anyone at 5k damage and below wouldn't be able to complete anything at all hardly. The problem isn't the damage resistances on the mobs, or even the health of the mobs themselves, the problem is in the AI of the mobs. To be blunt some of the mobs just aren't that smart in game. It's not just the tools that mobs and players have that matters, it's how they use them. Smarten up the AI and then you can make it more challenging for folks again. Just upping the HP doesn't per say make a mission or a mob better, it just makes it take more time.
What you're proposing wouldn't just nerf the "super specialized builds" like what you're wanting to do, but would nerf everyone in the game as a whole. If you limited consoles to only one or 2 of each type, this would effect tactical consoles as well. The problem isn't the consoles themselves, the problem is that power creep is a thing that's been in the game for a long time now. The power creep itself is too high in the game which is what's leading to some of the things you're seeing. Again as I said above, the equipment isn't the problem, it's how it's used. You don't need to limit consoles, as most consoles save for certain ones are already limited. Instead what you need to do is give people a reason to use something else.
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Auxiliary power does decrease in effectiveness slightly at the high end yes. And I told bort he should consider give some powers a little more of a boost to compensate but the power adjustment was made to simplify and normalize things. It's easier to understsnd and will be extremely helpful for newer players so a few percent loss doesn't really concern me at all.
The problem is, there's a catch. You have to spend 1 point on a new skill to be able to surpass the old effect of shield power, otherwise, you've been nerfed.
I have yet to see any catch statements regarding engine or weapons power with the skill revamp. Those seem to be untouchable, but science is always fair game it seems. Pretty unfair to always penalize science somehow.
FYI - Since everything was "normalized" I'm hoping weapons and engine power were also "normalized to share in the pain. I just haven't seen a post stating it.
- Why not?
- Because they can
- They didn't.
To be fair, that is generally the effect all nerfs have on the player base. At the high end of the dps spectrum, we are pushing the limits for no other reason than it being fun. Nerfing us changes the amount of overkill we can achieve and therefore the high scores become invalid. The dps boards are wiped, and the same handful of people get their names on top again within a few days.
It is almost always the people in the lower damage range that feel the nefs the most and are the most ill equipped to quickly throw together a new build at the performance level they expect. Because of this, a gear nerf pisses me off the most. When people ask for build advice, we get a plan tailored to their ship, play style, and budget. They then go spend a bunch of time grinding for gear only to have it nerfed out from under them. I feel bad for them, knowing that top end equipment is very expensive to newer guys with far less resources.
As for my build, I just switch to something else and the nerfed item can go sit in my inventory next to the leech and conductive RCS, to be used at a later date if I feel they have become the best in slot again.
Because any attempt to equalize that half of the player base will only punish all of those people actually know what they are doing.