LMAO this is a reworded repost of another whining WHALE who wants to buy everything without earning them but has the balls to call those of us who ground the events "elitests".
Whaa Whaa I missed the event or was to lazy to do the event to earn the ship can I buy it?
You people make me sick. You claim that those that EARNED the ship are elitiests because we took the time to do the event. You know what go F yourselves. If you don't do the event you don't get the ship how hard is that to figure out? Sure sell the console but if they do I hope the hell it is wicked pricey to teach you whiners a lesson.
But I did not want the ship/ console before . . .now I do!
I still do not want the Breen ships, go ahead and put them in the lobi store and I will not waste money opening tons of boxes to get enough lobi to buy em.
i looked in the lobi store and i do not see this ship listed... how do I purchase this ship? I apparently need this ship to get the console off of it complete the romulan command set that I just purchased. The presidence has already been set with the advanced obelisk and the dyson science ship before it...
I don't get some people's erection for the Samsar, I mean, it's a pretty good ship, but I wouldn't really put it above any other event ships, especially some of the breen ships like the Rezreth.
I don't get some people's erection for the Samsar, I mean, it's a pretty good ship, but I wouldn't really put it above any other event ships, especially some of the breen ships like the Rezreth.
Lol, it makes for one hell of a heal boat. Damn thing takes a beating and keeps on licking.
I don't get some people's erection for the Samsar, I mean, it's a pretty good ship, but I wouldn't really put it above any other event ships, especially some of the breen ships like the Rezreth.
They want it for one reason and one reason only.. because they can't get it.
If the ship was readily available, no one would desire it at all. Everyone gets all angry over the ship being a timed exclusive, but the funny thing is that if it wasn't a timed exclusive, they wouldn't care about it at all.
I get why people want the console, it's a good console and completes a set. The ship on the other hand is desired only because it cannot be obtained.
I don't get some people's erection for the Samsar, I mean, it's a pretty good ship, but I wouldn't really put it above any other event ships, especially some of the breen ships like the Rezreth.
I get why people want the console, it's a good console and completes a set. The ship on the other hand is desired only because it cannot be obtained.
Nonsense. I got the Samsar, the DSD, and the Plesh Brek before 'exclusivity' kicked in, and was planning (guess what happened) to get the Sarr Theln, Chel Grett and the Risian ships throughout the past year. I didn't get the Breen ones during the Sarr Theln event because between the account-wide unlock malfunctioning and the horrible state in which the game was after DR released, I was too ticked off to bother finishing - as it were, I hadn't queued up any projects, so I got screwed over.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Yes, well, foresight and/or luck tend to help out. Clearly I had neither. (And I don't need to be reminded that it was a 960-item discount, thank you very much, because I was there - they're both account-wide unlocks in my book.)
Believe me, had I known a year earlier that they'd come up with this 'exclusivity' TRIBBLE, I'd have tried harder to prepare for it during both the summer and the winter events. I didn't, and I got punished for not living in the bloody Bajoran wormhole.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Every week there are 2 or 3 threads from someone upset that they can't get the remarkably underwhelming and completely mediocre Samsar Cruiser. People are always upset that they can't obtain this glorious flagship of mediocrity.. why? Because it's such a great ship? No.. they're upset because someone is telling them they can't have it, and no other reason.
Yes, there are the few that this doesn't apply to, the few that really like the look of the ship, or maybe someone that the Kobali theme fits something on their character. No rule is absolute, it doesn't apply to absolutely everyone, but the greater bulk of people clamoring for the Samsar want it only because they can't have it.
And yes, I have the ship.. and No, I never fly it. I claim it for the console and admiralty card and then immediately dismiss it. If i'm going to fly an event Cruiser, I have the Rezreth, it makes the Samsar look like a floating pile of space debris.
Absolute. Nonsense. I flew that thing for most of the time until getting the Valiant this anniversary. (Besides which, why shouldn't the console and admiralty card be enough?)
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
The Samsar Admirality Card is nice, it's console is great (especially in a set)...
the only real problem with that ship for me is this - it comes with console for Command Set, but you can NOT put Command platform consoles on it....
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I'm betting we can't put T6 Flagship consoles on Krenim Sci Ship either...
Every week there are 2 or 3 threads from someone upset that they can't get the remarkably underwhelming and completely mediocre Samsar Cruiser. People are always upset that they can't obtain this glorious flagship of mediocrity.. why? Because it's such a great ship? No.. they're upset because someone is telling them they can't have it, and no other reason.
Again, it's not mediocre unless your measure of mediocrity is 100% based off how much DPS a ship can put out. I don't use the ship, I just slap the console on a command ship, but I've gone against it in PvP and it's an excellent heal boat.
Absolute. Nonsense. I flew that thing for most of the time until getting the Valiant this anniversary. (Besides which, why shouldn't the console and admiralty card be enough?)
Again, doesn't apply to all... but applies to most.
Call it what you want, but it won't be any less true. The ship is desired primarily because it's not available, no other reason. You're the exception, not the norm.
As a side note can someone explain the metrics argument for all this? If you are a new player to the game and you want ships from previous events and are willing to put in the time to grind it out during an event. Then you decide you need all the old ships for a set, lets say, so your spend a lot of time in this game to run all those projects. Why is that something that is discouraged?
As a side note can someone explain the metrics argument for all this? If you are a new player to the game and you want ships from previous events and are willing to put in the time to grind it out during an event. Then you decide you need all the old ships for a set, lets say, so your spend a lot of time in this game to run all those projects. Why is that something that is discouraged?
I think it's more about encouraging people to do the events when they're active. The thinking is that people will be far more likely to take part in events if they know that it's their one and only shot at that particular reward.
It's also done because unique rewards each time gives people that already did the event the previous year reason to do the event again. If someone misses an event ship, it's really not a big deal, there are always other events and other ships. If for example, someone missed the Samsar, then the next event they were able to get the Nandi, or the Rezreth, or whatever they do next. I believe the logic is that as long as give away events are fairly frequent that having someone miss out one one specific ship isn't really that big of a deal.
I'm not taking a stance for or against this idea, just merely giving my attempt at guessing the reasoning.
As a side note can someone explain the metrics argument for all this? If you are a new player to the game and you want ships from previous events and are willing to put in the time to grind it out during an event. Then you decide you need all the old ships for a set, lets say, so your spend a lot of time in this game to run all those projects. Why is that something that is discouraged?
I'll just put this out here 1st to make a point. There are only 3 reasons I know why would anyone want that ship.
1. For the Kobali Regenerative Circuitry set. It's Warp core/Singularity Core is what's needed to actually complete the set.
2. For the Command set since the Console Universal Regenerative Integrity Field is the final Console needed to complete it.
3. last but nothing but the least and I think this is the most minor reason is because of the trait skill that ship has. Although there are better trait but that trait can still be handy if you're lacking with the most better traits via lockboxes or ships or for whatever reason.
Now that said, Cryptic just want people to actually participate on events. They want the rewards to be worth it which is fine really. I really don't care about people wanting to buy it or not getting but Cryptic made a big stupid mistake which is why people who want's the ship back under No.1 and No.2 reasons.
Cryptic's mistake was they think everyone goes into the forums. And everyone would immediately know about the plan exclusivebility they are going for. That is fatal in a sense that they have put a set bonus to for a ship that will never see the daylight again. Then the fact that both Command and Regenerative Circuitry sets are actually decent sets. To make it worse when buying the Command Battlecruisers, Bundle or not they didn't even think of putting a warning that says that purchasing it has the downside of not being completed. This have hurt new players and returning players who bought the bundle out of wanting to complete the said sets. And as I said most don't go to the forums nor only know about the complete set bonuses but not the fact that it's going to be unavailable and out of reach.
Sure they are not the best one out there and probably wont land you on the DPS chart but survivability and usefulness outside of the DPS race is something good about it. Seriously I've once played with both the Kobali and Command sets both incomplete on my Presidio, Geneva and Concorde and it was a blast already. And I'm a Tact. What more if I was an engi who just want to mix-it up with Miracle Worker, Cocoon, Battle ready etch. and adding to it that the Kobali ship's 5th trait. The Presidio is almost immortal in a sense due to it's build and Inspiration skill. Combine that with an engi and you get wonders.
As I said there are better gears like the iconian rep gear but in the C-Store+Event reward set gear I could say that the Kobali+Command set are one if not the best in this criteria.
But we're talking about Cryptic here. They might one day put it on the Lobi Store. But if they did it will be both a good and bad move. Cryptic's move to make exclusive rewards for people who spent their time completing the event ships is good. the bad thing is putting an actual decent set that needs that exclusive ship. Hence I think that's one of the reason why didn't they put any warning when buying the Command Ships. They might be afraid that people who wanted the ships for the bonus set would just steer away from buying these ships if they knew that was the case, Although these are just my speculation. I'm still seeing people buying the ship and later only posting about the problem meaning that the CBC's are still selling good all this time. And the Presidio does have one of the Best Ship Trait in the game AHOC most specially for the abundant FED players so it's no wonder it could be one of their top seller.
Thank you both for a straight honest opinion on this. I'll pose one more question/thought on the matter: What if they put the last set item (of any reward set for example) in the C-Store/Lobi Store? So the exclusivity of the ship or trait maintains but the last item you would want to get that set would still be obtainable.
Thank you both for a straight honest opinion on this. I'll pose one more question/thought on the matter: What if they put the last set item (of any reward set for example) in the C-Store/Lobi Store? So the exclusivity of the ship or trait maintains but the last item you would want to get that set would still be obtainable.
This was suggested many times already. Which further cements the fact that people don't really want the ship, just a handful maybe but rather they just want the last piece of set.
But I think they could just put the Core and Warp Core as an Event item for summer. Only guessing since the 2 engines for another set can only be found in the winter event. The Breen one which is "Cold Themed". Since the Samsar is technically something from the summer event. The 5th Skill as an event as well or lockbox unlock and lastly the console a lobi.
I think this would be fair enough and these are just my own opinion btw.
But such a thing would be a miracle if it ever happened.
The Samsar is 'technically' something from the anniversary event... and yeah, I think any kind of improvement related to event ships is going to be a miracle at this stage... (Not that I won't keep trying. )
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Yeah, the best thing about the Samsar Cruiser is the console it comes with.
I have done all the 3 annual events since I started playing back in January 2014. Why? I don't know, I just do it. I do not really fly any of the event ships other than the 2014 Anniversary DSD (KDF and RR Sci captains) and the 2015 Winter Breen Carrier (RR Sci captain). I am slowly outfitting the Krenim Science Vessel for my RR Sci captain. Not sure if I will have my KDF Sci captain fly that ship... I prefer each captain to fly something different. I might buy a Science Pilot Raptor from the C-Store...
The weird thing is that if a new player comes along this summer for example they can grind for the new event ship no problem, so they are playing the event when Cryptic wants them to play it.
Now say they decide they want the two Risian ships and the Nandi as well, and are willing to put in the grinding on multiple different characters to attain them during the event? That means that the metrics for that single player have gone from a single character logging in to up to 4 different ones being logged in per day for 25 days each. That's a big increase in the amount of time someone is spending in the event map. Heck for the winter event it's even bigger an increase as there are now 4 different ships to grind for plus the new one in the next winter event.
I really can't see how allow new players to grind for old ships is such a bad thing. Even with the discounts to alts they've got to actually grind the things out on at least one character first which means more time logged in over multiple alts. You're looking at 25 logins per alt to grind out a ship.
And this will only get better each year as more and more ships are added to the list of event rewards, every new player joining this winter for example could potentially be grinding for 5 winter ships and 5 summer ships over the following few months, plus 4 anniversary ships! Now tell me getting that isn't going to increase metrics.
If you buying Pilot Raptor, then go for whole pack of them and get the complete console set, even better go for the whole megapack 9-piece... even if you will not use it for now, maybe in future....
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But I did not want the ship/ console before . . .now I do!
We come in peace, SHOOT TO KILL!
I'm afraid at this time, there is no way the get the console if u missed the event.
And.. holy Necro thread Batman !
Old thead is old thread.
There's a phrase that needs to be purged forever from the human lexicon. With fire.
And already answered in the past, in this thread and others. If you don't have it already, you can't have it.
Lol, it makes for one hell of a heal boat. Damn thing takes a beating and keeps on licking.
They want it for one reason and one reason only.. because they can't get it.
If the ship was readily available, no one would desire it at all. Everyone gets all angry over the ship being a timed exclusive, but the funny thing is that if it wasn't a timed exclusive, they wouldn't care about it at all.
I get why people want the console, it's a good console and completes a set. The ship on the other hand is desired only because it cannot be obtained.
Nonsense. I got the Samsar, the DSD, and the Plesh Brek before 'exclusivity' kicked in, and was planning (guess what happened) to get the Sarr Theln, Chel Grett and the Risian ships throughout the past year. I didn't get the Breen ones during the Sarr Theln event because between the account-wide unlock malfunctioning and the horrible state in which the game was after DR released, I was too ticked off to bother finishing - as it were, I hadn't queued up any projects, so I got screwed over.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Believe me, had I known a year earlier that they'd come up with this 'exclusivity' TRIBBLE, I'd have tried harder to prepare for it during both the summer and the winter events. I didn't, and I got punished for not living in the bloody Bajoran wormhole.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Not at all.
Every week there are 2 or 3 threads from someone upset that they can't get the remarkably underwhelming and completely mediocre Samsar Cruiser. People are always upset that they can't obtain this glorious flagship of mediocrity.. why? Because it's such a great ship? No.. they're upset because someone is telling them they can't have it, and no other reason.
Yes, there are the few that this doesn't apply to, the few that really like the look of the ship, or maybe someone that the Kobali theme fits something on their character. No rule is absolute, it doesn't apply to absolutely everyone, but the greater bulk of people clamoring for the Samsar want it only because they can't have it.
And yes, I have the ship.. and No, I never fly it. I claim it for the console and admiralty card and then immediately dismiss it. If i'm going to fly an event Cruiser, I have the Rezreth, it makes the Samsar look like a floating pile of space debris.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
the only real problem with that ship for me is this - it comes with console for Command Set, but you can NOT put Command platform consoles on it....
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I'm betting we can't put T6 Flagship consoles on Krenim Sci Ship either...
Again, it's not mediocre unless your measure of mediocrity is 100% based off how much DPS a ship can put out. I don't use the ship, I just slap the console on a command ship, but I've gone against it in PvP and it's an excellent heal boat.
Again, doesn't apply to all... but applies to most.
Call it what you want, but it won't be any less true. The ship is desired primarily because it's not available, no other reason. You're the exception, not the norm.
I think it's more about encouraging people to do the events when they're active. The thinking is that people will be far more likely to take part in events if they know that it's their one and only shot at that particular reward.
It's also done because unique rewards each time gives people that already did the event the previous year reason to do the event again. If someone misses an event ship, it's really not a big deal, there are always other events and other ships. If for example, someone missed the Samsar, then the next event they were able to get the Nandi, or the Rezreth, or whatever they do next. I believe the logic is that as long as give away events are fairly frequent that having someone miss out one one specific ship isn't really that big of a deal.
I'm not taking a stance for or against this idea, just merely giving my attempt at guessing the reasoning.
I'll just put this out here 1st to make a point. There are only 3 reasons I know why would anyone want that ship.
1. For the Kobali Regenerative Circuitry set. It's Warp core/Singularity Core is what's needed to actually complete the set.
2. For the Command set since the Console Universal Regenerative Integrity Field is the final Console needed to complete it.
3. last but nothing but the least and I think this is the most minor reason is because of the trait skill that ship has. Although there are better trait but that trait can still be handy if you're lacking with the most better traits via lockboxes or ships or for whatever reason.
Now that said, Cryptic just want people to actually participate on events. They want the rewards to be worth it which is fine really. I really don't care about people wanting to buy it or not getting but Cryptic made a big stupid mistake which is why people who want's the ship back under No.1 and No.2 reasons.
Cryptic's mistake was they think everyone goes into the forums. And everyone would immediately know about the plan exclusivebility they are going for. That is fatal in a sense that they have put a set bonus to for a ship that will never see the daylight again. Then the fact that both Command and Regenerative Circuitry sets are actually decent sets. To make it worse when buying the Command Battlecruisers, Bundle or not they didn't even think of putting a warning that says that purchasing it has the downside of not being completed. This have hurt new players and returning players who bought the bundle out of wanting to complete the said sets. And as I said most don't go to the forums nor only know about the complete set bonuses but not the fact that it's going to be unavailable and out of reach.
Sure they are not the best one out there and probably wont land you on the DPS chart but survivability and usefulness outside of the DPS race is something good about it. Seriously I've once played with both the Kobali and Command sets both incomplete on my Presidio, Geneva and Concorde and it was a blast already. And I'm a Tact. What more if I was an engi who just want to mix-it up with Miracle Worker, Cocoon, Battle ready etch. and adding to it that the Kobali ship's 5th trait. The Presidio is almost immortal in a sense due to it's build and Inspiration skill. Combine that with an engi and you get wonders.
As I said there are better gears like the iconian rep gear but in the C-Store+Event reward set gear I could say that the Kobali+Command set are one if not the best in this criteria.
But we're talking about Cryptic here. They might one day put it on the Lobi Store. But if they did it will be both a good and bad move. Cryptic's move to make exclusive rewards for people who spent their time completing the event ships is good. the bad thing is putting an actual decent set that needs that exclusive ship. Hence I think that's one of the reason why didn't they put any warning when buying the Command Ships. They might be afraid that people who wanted the ships for the bonus set would just steer away from buying these ships if they knew that was the case, Although these are just my speculation. I'm still seeing people buying the ship and later only posting about the problem meaning that the CBC's are still selling good all this time. And the Presidio does have one of the Best Ship Trait in the game AHOC most specially for the abundant FED players so it's no wonder it could be one of their top seller.
This was suggested many times already. Which further cements the fact that people don't really want the ship, just a handful maybe but rather they just want the last piece of set.
But I think they could just put the Core and Warp Core as an Event item for summer. Only guessing since the 2 engines for another set can only be found in the winter event. The Breen one which is "Cold Themed". Since the Samsar is technically something from the summer event. The 5th Skill as an event as well or lockbox unlock and lastly the console a lobi.
I think this would be fair enough and these are just my own opinion btw.
But such a thing would be a miracle if it ever happened.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I have done all the 3 annual events since I started playing back in January 2014. Why? I don't know, I just do it. I do not really fly any of the event ships other than the 2014 Anniversary DSD (KDF and RR Sci captains) and the 2015 Winter Breen Carrier (RR Sci captain). I am slowly outfitting the Krenim Science Vessel for my RR Sci captain. Not sure if I will have my KDF Sci captain fly that ship... I prefer each captain to fly something different. I might buy a Science Pilot Raptor from the C-Store...
Now say they decide they want the two Risian ships and the Nandi as well, and are willing to put in the grinding on multiple different characters to attain them during the event? That means that the metrics for that single player have gone from a single character logging in to up to 4 different ones being logged in per day for 25 days each. That's a big increase in the amount of time someone is spending in the event map. Heck for the winter event it's even bigger an increase as there are now 4 different ships to grind for plus the new one in the next winter event.
I really can't see how allow new players to grind for old ships is such a bad thing. Even with the discounts to alts they've got to actually grind the things out on at least one character first which means more time logged in over multiple alts. You're looking at 25 logins per alt to grind out a ship.
And this will only get better each year as more and more ships are added to the list of event rewards, every new player joining this winter for example could potentially be grinding for 5 winter ships and 5 summer ships over the following few months, plus 4 anniversary ships! Now tell me getting that isn't going to increase metrics.