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bjornfried
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I seriously vote for a complete design overhaull for all Classic ships besides the Galaxy and Ambasador class.
Those are realy acurate now.
But the Connys do not look like theyr counterparts out of the Movies and TOS.
The TOS has wrong windows on the front of her saucer and on the lower sides, no hull markings are to see, besides the Starfleet logo and the nameplates, (that is also wrong, she has many technical hull markings
) the nacelles should not be placed in a 90 degree angle to the pylons.
The Movie variant does not have any weapons attached to her front saucer (So get rid of those "Dual phaser beam barrels"), the windows are placed on top of the saucer too (That is simply wrong) and unlike the "real deal", she has litt the outsides of the warp nacelles and blue, instead of slightly violet.
That kind of thing is not good when you show a iconic ship, like the Enterprise-A in a Star Trek game, in 2016 .
Its lots of Trekies that are playing this game.And we dont like that kind of error.
Also does the Nebula class not have a Accurate hull and she firers her torpedos from the wrong section.
It should be the uper sensor array and not the hull.
1st. The hull on your sloppy design, is way to close to the saucer, to be able to fire torpedos without smashing them on the saucer.
2nd. in several TV episodes, you can see a nebula class fireing torps from the "Sensor Array".
Then the second most iconic ST Movie Ship, of all times.
The Miranda class.
She does not (I repeat "DOES NOT") posses any visible sensor saucer at all!
That kind of thing was only shown on her TOS pre-modell in Star Trek Legacy.
Please change that too.
And then those cool Type 5 windows that are acurately made for every ship, so that it looks more like, not every room is used etc.
Should be made a standard option.
So the Movie conny does no longer fly around with windows on the upper side of her saucer.
And it would also be nice if you would thighten the standard interiours (here the Souvereign class in real sice
)
and if you would get ridd of those ugly screens, that are simply everywhere on those bridges and showing no usefull informations at all. Its just some "FX" so it looks like the ship has some active screens.
And the Bridges are constantly too large and also dont look enough like theyr counterparts out of TV and Movies.
And some conny variants, also for the Movie versions, would be nice.
Here some samples...
Thanks to Ex Astris scientia for those nice samples.
Those are realy acurate now.
But the Connys do not look like theyr counterparts out of the Movies and TOS.
The TOS has wrong windows on the front of her saucer and on the lower sides, no hull markings are to see, besides the Starfleet logo and the nameplates, (that is also wrong, she has many technical hull markings
) the nacelles should not be placed in a 90 degree angle to the pylons.
The Movie variant does not have any weapons attached to her front saucer (So get rid of those "Dual phaser beam barrels"), the windows are placed on top of the saucer too (That is simply wrong) and unlike the "real deal", she has litt the outsides of the warp nacelles and blue, instead of slightly violet.
That kind of thing is not good when you show a iconic ship, like the Enterprise-A in a Star Trek game, in 2016 .
Its lots of Trekies that are playing this game.And we dont like that kind of error.
Also does the Nebula class not have a Accurate hull and she firers her torpedos from the wrong section.
It should be the uper sensor array and not the hull.
1st. The hull on your sloppy design, is way to close to the saucer, to be able to fire torpedos without smashing them on the saucer.
2nd. in several TV episodes, you can see a nebula class fireing torps from the "Sensor Array".
Then the second most iconic ST Movie Ship, of all times.
The Miranda class.
She does not (I repeat "DOES NOT") posses any visible sensor saucer at all!
That kind of thing was only shown on her TOS pre-modell in Star Trek Legacy.
Please change that too.
And then those cool Type 5 windows that are acurately made for every ship, so that it looks more like, not every room is used etc.
Should be made a standard option.
So the Movie conny does no longer fly around with windows on the upper side of her saucer.
And it would also be nice if you would thighten the standard interiours (here the Souvereign class in real sice
)and if you would get ridd of those ugly screens, that are simply everywhere on those bridges and showing no usefull informations at all. Its just some "FX" so it looks like the ship has some active screens.
And the Bridges are constantly too large and also dont look enough like theyr counterparts out of TV and Movies.
And some conny variants, also for the Movie versions, would be nice.
Here some samples...
Thanks to Ex Astris scientia for those nice samples.
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He's right. Players fly these T1 ships for all of 10 minutes before moving on to the next tier of starships.
Also it's been centuries since the Connie/Miranda was commissioned, i would think they'd have added a window or two somewhere a long the line of refits.
That being said, ships gfx are slowly being upgraded as T6 variants of T5 ships are being released. So I expect the Nebula to be upgraded at some point.
STO is a MMO that caters to a wide audience so devoting an excessive amount of time and resources to extreme detail and scale is not the focus of the design and development teams.
If you want more authenticity in STO then there are things you need to give up such as:
1. No beam arrays for any ships unless they are have been shown in on screen (movie / TV show) to use beam arrays.
2. Based on the TV shows and movies prior to Star Trek Generations, it appears dual beam banks can only be fired "forward" meaning they should not have a 90 degree firing arc. Instead they should have a 0 degree firing arc. That is based my observations of the Enterprise firing on the Reliant in Star Trek - The Wrath of Kahn. It appears the phasers beams emanates from weapons ports that are recessed within the weapon hardpoints. If the beams emanates from phaser emitters within the hardpoints instead of phaser emitters protruding from the hardpoints, then it should be impossible for the phaser beam banks to have a firing arc. Well... except for a maybe a limited vertical firing arc.
3. Ships of all factions should be limited to the weapon types available to those factions. Meaning Federation ships can only be equipped with phasers, KDF ships will only use disruptors. The Romulans... well I know that they use plasma torpedoes and disruptors (based on the TOS). Not sure if they actually used plasma beam weapons because I do not recall if it was mentioned in the TNG series and I did not watch Enterprise so if Romulan beam weapon type was covered in that show, then I would not have any knowledge of it.
The list can go on extensive and can be quite restrictive depending how "canon" you want STO to be.
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You really think so? I don't think they look bad at all. I would still like them to make a T6 version though!
Of course if they ever DID do that, the forums would burn in flames as people screamed at cryptic "YOU CANT CHARGE THAT MUCH FOR SUCH A LOW LEVEL SHIP!!!"
I could see a point for them updating the Miranda. It's the first ship a new player is going to see, and it might be good if it's up to the current ship standards.
Of course, it would be a lot more attractive to make such an update if they also made a Tier 6 (or even just Tier 5) Retrofit available so they could sell it to us (or offer it us a prize for a special event/lockbox/promo thingy). But I kinda feel like they might not be able to do such a thing for the same reason the Connie is off limits for endgame. But that's pure speculation.
I've been a trek fan most of my life and I don't happen to worry over much about the quality of any of the models in game. I'll take quality content over shiny new models any time.
I would much rather more kitbash options for every ship than interiors or accurate skins for tier 1 ships that last maybe an hour two if your takingyour time.
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The fact remains that, in the end, this game is the equivalent of a theme park now. You can fly/ride anything from ST you want, including oddball "alien vessel of the week" ships that most people have never heard of. But for some reason some of what would be considered very popular rides are shut down, again for no good reason.
If I could fly a T6 Miranda I would jump for joy, someone else would groan. With stuff like bioships and ships with demigod-like powers (Iconian) already in player hands, actual CANON faction ships should be the last of your worries.
The least they can do is make them look the part, a lot of them don't.
The Miranda looks very different from the canon model, to the point where it might as well be a new ship.
"Let them eat static!"
As much as I may loathe myself for saying this, the Miranda (aka USS Reliant) is not the "second most iconic ST Movie ship behind the Enterprise(s)".
That distinction belongs (gulp) to the Excelsior. Which obviously has shown up in more movies & TV episodes than the Miranda.
Secondly, did you pay any attention to the lore? These are not mid to late 23rd century starships that have "held together" for the centuries. They are "new builds" that take advantage of 25th century technology (hence why the Miranda has an in-saucer deflector dish and the Connie's missing the saucer separation landing legs) but somehow can't be taken above T1 levels "because the structures can't hack it" or whatever yet 22nd century structures can... (and I digress...)
Now, as someone who pops into a Connie (with disabled visual assimilated impulse engines) to do things like omega farm, etc., "Connie enough" is better than no Connie. (though why couldn't they do like the TV show where you have the "vented back" nacelles at warp / sector space and the "bubble back" nacelles in orbit, or at least give us the ability to pick which one we prefer at the customizer)...
Thirdly, new bridges are being built at "much more appropriate" scale. Invest into one...
Fourthly, did you notice that all the "graphical touchups" are made/released when a given hull is getting the "spotlight" treatment - Intrepid because Voyager was key to Delta Rising, Galaxy, Galaxy-X, Defiant, Oddy, etc. etc. get updated during their package releases on the C-store.
And don't get me started on "hardpoint beefs" - The "sensor pod" of "our" Nebulas aren't exactly geared to be the "torpedo pod" of the "tactical" Nebula (yet to be released in STO...
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I agree with OP. We should clean up those models, if only to satisfy our own OCD. :P
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