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Why are the Xindi ships scaled so weirdly?

psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
edited February 2016 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
The Aquatic Narcine was easily the biggest Xindi ship in the show, but in STO it's barely twice the size of the NX-class. In the show it was big enough to carry Enterprise in its hangar bay. And the Insectoid ship ... are you kidding me? That thing is practically the size of the Scimitar in-game, but in the show it was the same size as Enterprise. As far as I can tell the only Xindi ship that's properly scaled is the Reptilian warship.

Why is that? I'm not complaining, I don't use the ships, but as someone who's binged on the show it is very jarring to fly past the Olaen in an NX-class and be absolutely dwarfed. And it would be nice to have the correctly-scaled version available in the Foundry.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,660 Community Moderator
    Ships in STO are scaled so that they can be visible. I mean... When T5 was the top tier, I was parked along side my fleet leader and my Danube Runabouts from my Vesta at the time were about the size of his Defiant.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    The Olean was probably scaled up so it could be reasonably justified to act as an escort carrier. I'd say its about the same size as an Akira class (go figure) and that probably comes down again to gameplay.
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    Well, some excuses could be made that these ships are actually the 100+ year, multiple-design generations removed descendants of what appeared in Enterprise.

    I wouldn't mind if my Narcine was a little bigger though :).
  • nephitisnephitis Member Posts: 456 Arc User
    I think they scaled the ship pretty good to what was shown in the episode.

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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    Because all the other ships in the game are scaled weirdly, too.

    Just look at the Sarr Theln. It launches frigate pets that are almost as big as the carrier.
  • nephitisnephitis Member Posts: 456 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    Because all the other ships in the game are scaled weirdly, too.

    Just look at the Sarr Theln. It launches frigate pets that are almost as big as the carrier.
    Just play and be happy. Perhaps in true fairness the Plesh Brek Frigate was not meant to be "launched" by the Sarr Theln but rather in reality it would dock and tag along in the convoy of ships. The whole launching thing is merely an animation. Since when does all hangar ships carry other vessels inside them?
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    nephitis wrote: »
    Just play and be happy. Perhaps in true fairness the Plesh Brek Frigate was not meant to be "launched" by the Sarr Theln but rather in reality it would dock and tag along in the convoy of ships. The whole launching thing is merely an animation. Since when does all hangar ships carry other vessels inside them?

    That's true. You can't fit a B'Rel in a Vo'Quv either. Just think of them as cloaked escort ships that decloak once you "launch" them.​​
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  • getbackupagaingetbackupagain Member Posts: 14 Arc User
    nikeix wrote: »
    Well, some excuses could be made that these ships are actually the 100+ year, multiple-design generations removed descendants of what appeared in Enterprise.

    I wouldn't mind if my Narcine was a little bigger though :).

    Agreed, scaling conflicts with canon should be handwaved as being a ship class based on a previous one, but slightly redesigned and refitted to be appropriate to the time period (and in some cases game balance), considering sto is set years after every other series and movie.

    If they're sized down, or nerfed compared to the tv/movie versions (Scimitar, Narcine, Dominion Carriers.. maybe?) it's implied that they're using a cheaper, smaller redesign so they can have more of them.

    If sized up or made more powerful (Olaen, is the least obvious, but basically all fleet versions of federation ships count as this, since in the opening of ds9 an armada of them gets destroyed by a few borg cubes, but in game anybody with half a brain and even a non-fleet variant can solo a borg cube) it's because they redesigned them for the current era.

    And then there are the Undine ships, which got bigger, (I seem to recall them being no larger than a runabout) but also less powerful (Nine of them could destroy a planet in one blast). I really can't think of any story justification for that other than they must have a downright amazingly inefficient bureaucracy.
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    So basically, the Federation is an organization that exists to protect and preserve peace. I guess we do an awful lot of killing though. Oh well, that isn't important, for now let's roll up our sleeves and get to work.
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