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avalon91211
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This topic is closed for discussion as of 2/9/2016 due to the end of the 6th Anniversary, and therefor the end of any relevance that this topic had. Thank you for your time.
While I'm sure this topic has come up before, I'd like to point out that Cryptic has missed a great opportunity with the 6th Anniversary to redo the episode Temporal Ambassador, as well as give us a T6 version of the Ambassador and Kamarag cruisers, and perhaps even something for the Romulans too. There are many people in this game who love their Ambassador and Kamarag class ships, only to find that only the Ambassador has a T5 version that you can aquire (via the C-store under Support Cruiser Refit I think), while you cannot get the T5 Kamarag at all. Moreover, having the T5 Ambassador doesn't give you the discount on fleet modules for the fleet version.
Those who say the Guardian is the T6 Ambassador, your wrong. It never will be, even if it's close in look to Probart's sketch, which was thrown out anyway in favor of the current, and Canon, Ambassador design. You can whine all you like, but it doesn't change that your wrong. As for the Kamarag, the poor Klingons have nothing that really is close to it T6-wise, in look or feel. And don't even get me started on the Romulans, who have absolutely been screwed on ships and ship designs since they were introduced in Season 7.
In short, while not a major point of interest, I think this warrants some thought from both the Devs and you, the members of the STO community. Therefore, can Cryptic, or anyone else, tell me why this opportunity was missed? What's so special about a new T6 Krenim ship that we should fore-go updating two of the best ships in the game? Let's discuss.
While I'm sure this topic has come up before, I'd like to point out that Cryptic has missed a great opportunity with the 6th Anniversary to redo the episode Temporal Ambassador, as well as give us a T6 version of the Ambassador and Kamarag cruisers, and perhaps even something for the Romulans too. There are many people in this game who love their Ambassador and Kamarag class ships, only to find that only the Ambassador has a T5 version that you can aquire (via the C-store under Support Cruiser Refit I think), while you cannot get the T5 Kamarag at all. Moreover, having the T5 Ambassador doesn't give you the discount on fleet modules for the fleet version.
Those who say the Guardian is the T6 Ambassador, your wrong. It never will be, even if it's close in look to Probart's sketch, which was thrown out anyway in favor of the current, and Canon, Ambassador design. You can whine all you like, but it doesn't change that your wrong. As for the Kamarag, the poor Klingons have nothing that really is close to it T6-wise, in look or feel. And don't even get me started on the Romulans, who have absolutely been screwed on ships and ship designs since they were introduced in Season 7.
In short, while not a major point of interest, I think this warrants some thought from both the Devs and you, the members of the STO community. Therefore, can Cryptic, or anyone else, tell me why this opportunity was missed? What's so special about a new T6 Krenim ship that we should fore-go updating two of the best ships in the game? Let's discuss.
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- Current, T4 versions that are mission rewards
- Old Event Rewards
- Expensive, 4 FSM T5 ships in the Shipyard.
The ones who say the Guardian is the T6 Ambassador are mainly referring to function. The STATS.
T6 Guardian
T5 Fleet Ambassador
I'm one of those that have said that the Guardian is in essence a T6 Ambassador. Because when you look at the guts of the ships, the stats, the Guardian is a logical T6 transition of the Ambassador.
Maintains the balanced Console layout.
Multirole BOFF layout of the Ambassador is improved with the Guardian having LtCmdr at the minimum across ENG, TAC, and SCI.
Even the two ships' basic handling is very similar.
It's not the look of the Guardian that makes her a "T6 Ambassador." It's the stats and gameplay that make her look like a natural evolution of the Ambassador to T6.
Now, I don't mind if the Ambassador & Kamarag make it to T6 with C-Store releases. I'd like to try them with endgame stats but I'm not forking out 4 FSMs for a single character purchase for either.
Though I'm not really thrilled about thought of another T6 fed cruiser.
Just saying, the anniversary krenim ship will be the 3rd crossfaction T6 sci ship (first pure sci ship) and the 7th one in toal (annorax + breen carrier + 4 feds).
I was partially mistaken about the Ambassador being in the C-store; it's there for those who claimed it while it was offered as a promotion last year. We may yet see a T6 Ambassador and Kamarag yes, but my point here is Cryptic could have gotten them out now instead of making us wait. Just like some of us are still waiting on the T6 versions of the Sovereign and Vor'cha. And a T6 Luna, and a T6 Klingon Science vessel that's actually a science vessel. The list goes on, but at least here, Cryptic could have crossed off 2 (maybe 3) ships for us.
Seriousdave: Yes, it is a cross-faction T6 science vessel but, no it's not the first pure science ship, I can show you several of those, and it's Krenim based, and their ships suck, both in design and operation. The Breen carrier wasn't much better, neither is the new Breen dreadnought.
Tal'Shiar/Reman Resistance/Romulan Nemesis uniform, pls.
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For the KDF? None. First thing's first. The T5 Fleet Kamarag and Ambassador are practically identical in BOFF & Console layouts. Secondly, there is no multi-role KDF Cruiser or Battlecruiser in the game. None that emphasizes into a T6 evolution of the multi-role capability of the Kamarag / Ambassador.
The Klingon designed Battlecruisers are ENG heavy or TAC Cruiser-styled.
The Orion Marauder / Giant Space Hamster is an ENG heavy Cruiser, nothing more, and has no T5 Fleet nor T6 version.
The Science Command Battlecruiser for the KDF is the closest thing but unlike the T6 Guardian, it does not have that LtCmdr TAC on it. It also flies a lot worse than the much more nimble Kamarag. The Command ship has a Turn Rate of 8 while the Kamarag's is 10.5, which makes her handle better than the Vor'Cha which I respect as a great mount for even DHCs. That's a big difference. The Command ship also gets a single, worthless hangar slot but sacrifices crucial Cruiser Commands, i.e. Weapon System Efficiency Cruiser Command, which the Kamarag still has since it's a "Pure Battlecruiser."
This was why I felt that the recent Breen Dreadnought was important for the KDF to get while it could if one wanted a Multi-Role Cruiser. The KDF simply has no ship along that line at T6. And the Kamarag costs 4 damn FSMs for a single character purchase, on top of it being a T5 ship.
Even the Romulans have a Multi-Role styled Cruiser/Warbird: The D'Deridex, for example.
And no, the KDF doesn't have a Karamag successor, because they don't need one. They need the T6 Kamarag, similar to how the Federation didn't need the Guardian, they needed a T6 Ambassador. The Ambassador and Kamarag are far from pure cruisers as well. They can adapt to fit several roles, and while they will NEVER be as good as ships dedicated to said role, they can manage quite well. Hence the reason they fall under the Support Cruiser category.
Now yes, sure, some people might not think paying for 4 fleet modules is worth it for the Kamarag, and I will admit, I kinda agree, it's a pain in the TRIBBLE. However, I don't think it should be discarded or overlooked just because it doesn't fit with what people want. That, in a sense, is a form of ignorance. Your ignoring an otherwise great design simply because you would rather buy something like the Command BC or Pilot Escort, because it costs less to get that then a possible T5-U Fleet ship. I've seen T6 ships time and again flounder against light enemy fire, but T5-U Fleet ships? I've seen several, and fly several myself, that have a long standing track record of hardly being beaten while our T6 "comrades" get massacred around us.
As far as the KDF and Romulan's getting screwed over on ship designs, point your questions to the Dev's while I do that same. After all, I partly made this thread in hopes they would come lurking and pay some attention for once. And if not, the more people that get riled up, the better.
Who the TRIBBLE was talking about Cannons on the D'D? Wasn't me, that's for sure. But I'll tell you now, I've made that work even in PVP. The ship isn't the limitation. It's the player.
Also, the D'D *IS* in the Multi-Role family of Cruisers (Cmdr ENG ships).
Cmdr ENG, LtCmdr TAC, LtCmdr SCI. The D'D can take on functions well in all 3, TAC, ENG, SCI because it is one of those ships that has the BOFF layout to do it. The Guardian was also labeled by people as "Multi Role" because it had that same capacity to excel in all 3 core BOFF ability groups.
You're paying attention to Cryptic naming conventions. Their ship naming conventions are worth as much as the toilet paper that was just flushed down a few minutes ago. They randomly slap stuff on for suckering guys to chase a ship, i.e. there's no difference between a "Dreadnought" to a "TAC Cruiser" but dumb asses that chase the Dread because "It's gotta be strong like a Battleship!" They're chasing recognizable names and equating that to something that may not necessarily exist.
Why have the Ambassador and Kamarag been essentially written off? My other point was why didn't Cryptic take the opportunity to remaster Temporal Ambassador with new assets and then release T6 versions of said ships.
It, in theory because of the current storyline of their new story arc, would have helped them get more players to play the new content, as well as make more money. Furthermore, maybe they would also notice (finally) that other missions need to be redone instead of pumping out new content while the older stuff sits and rots. A house is only as good as the foundation it sits upon, if that crumbles, the house falls apart.
Naming is also actually important when it comes to types of ships, as it separates them from one and other and defines their job inside a fleet. If they called something the size of a Runabout a Dreadnought, then yes I'd agree with you. But they haven't done that yet. Furthermore, almost all the dreadnoughts I've seen have been rather difficult to take down. It's not always the name that gets peoples attention; looks have something to do with it as well, sometimes moreso then a name.