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OK, twice my post didn't post. No matter. the logs are posted in Reddit and in my signature for everyone to review. Have fun, all. I've got work to do.
Mmhh...
I tend to completely avoid and ignore this useless and unnecessary diatribe between the major DPS groups, but... i have to ask just one thing to the Numbers' guys: is it really so necessary to trigger the flame after each post or video of "Metals" and, moreover, doing it right during the day of the holy Christmas? Come on, you guys are better than this
That said, an advice for all the contenders: LET. IT. GO.
Happy Holidays
Mmhh...
I tend to completely avoid and ignore this useless and unnecessary diatribe between the major DPS groups, but... i have to ask just one thing to the Numbers' guys: is it really so necessary to trigger the flame after each post or video of "Metals" and, moreover, doing it right during the day of the holy Christmas? Come on, you guys are better than this
That said, an advice for all the contenders: LET. IT. GO.
Happy Holidays
Because we focus on something which, IMO, is as important is not more than leagues, which is a fleet.
Since this game sucks in teaching newbies, there are 2 major hubs in this game which can provide help and advice and they are dps/stf channels and fleets.
Holofrog said that we have got serious problems in this game right now and that's true ... many fleets have had many players quitting after the Delta Fiasco : maybe they should rename it Delta 359, because this is how fleets look like after the last expansion.
And we have had our share of players quitting the game.
But ... I don't know ... maybe thanks to Saint Gennaro LOL ( actually, I think, thanks more to Saint Gennaro than to Massively lol ) , new players are joining the game and then our fleet and some are even very good, like f96p who's a 100k fed player ... and a few new players want even to try pvp.
Hopefully at least a few of us are going to stay around to help these players.
0:20 Crystalline - T1 ship (4 players queueing with one T1 ship) 1:00 Crystalline - "real ship" (4players queueing) 1:40 Crystalline - premade style (50% replay speed) 2:45 Infected Space - Current DPS and Speed record
Have fun while watching!
Best Christmas wishes and happy holidays!
To keep the message constant between all the sources where this video was placed (including the now deleted facebook thread), thank you Ryan and guys for showing us just how broken the Sheshar trait actually is. As we agreed on the FB thread, it is clearly not working as intended and I'm sure between SOB and myself we will get the devs to focus on it thanks to videos such as these. It is the broken and or double procc'ing nature of traits such as these that is contributing to the lag we sometimes experience and whether the purpose of this video was to demonstrate a broken exploit or not, it will serve that purpose.
Thanks guys.
I have my own opinion about the lag, derived from my pvp experience and the ISA runs we organize in our fleet, which differs a little from your opinion and also from the metals' opinion.
I see 2 major causes for the lag and they are the number of instances and the [pen] mod.
I say the number of instances because pvp arenas are always very smooth and definitely a lot smoother than ISA ... Ya, ok, sometimes you might freeze for a sec because of all of the spam going on there but it's never so laggy like an ISA.
I say the [pen] mod because, recently, we've run some ISAs with our recluses ... usually it was something like 2 or 3 recluses, our admiral's scimitar as DPS dealer and another ship as DPS support and, in every run, I saw little if not no lag at all ( our recluses don't use the [pen] mod and our admiral doesn't use it yet )
On the contrary, when I used to jump in whatever private ISA being called in any DPS channels , I almost always experience that lag ( and if I don't , someone else does ) and those runs are usually packed with uber DPS scimitars.
Mmhh...
I tend to completely avoid and ignore this useless and unnecessary diatribe between the major DPS groups, but... i have to ask just one thing to the Numbers' guys: is it really so necessary to trigger the flame after each post or video of "Metals" and, moreover, doing it right during the day of the holy Christmas? Come on, you guys are better than this
That said, an advice for all the contenders: LET. IT. GO.
Happy Holidays
Seems to be when holo and company try to steal Sarcasm Detector's branding that things flame up. Maybe he should stop and things would be quiet. Somehow I doubt they really want things to be quiet and will continue to steal the brand, and flame wars will continue.
This is getting silly now, and I'm getting increasingly irritated at a situation where a group of ordinary players seem to think they have some sort of right to dictate who can do what, use what, and say what.... and then by hypocrites when someone does it better, and call them a cheater and say they're using exploits. It's getting to the point where everything is considered an exploit and nothing is working as intended as far as you're concerned, unless of course you use it yourself.
The main reason I play this game is for fun. Sometimes that fun can be doing ISA only with mines, sometimes flying T1 ships, and sometimes trying to break personal or game records. But it's always about fun, and more importantly, fun with my friends. How I have that fun is up to me as long as it falls within the Cryptic/PWE TOS. I will not allow a 3rd party group dictate to me that using x y z ability, ship or strategy is somehow cheating. That is for the game developers to decide... Not you.
As for this public flame war... Grow the F up! We don't run after you and troll all your posts or flame your streams. We don't spam all your YouTube videos with downvotes. We just do what we do, sometimes we video it, and sometimes we share it. If you don't wanna watch, don't. We don't care. I fail to see any reason why you should continue to flame and troll any of our posts the way you have been, other than your own bruised egos because some people are better at making numbers on a table that ultimately in the grand scheme of things, means nothing.
No if you'll excuse me, I have some snowballs to throw and some epohhs to breed
you can't tell me, that no one, who is using that trait since it came out, has never realised that something is wrong with it.
Since the bug involves having both the intel and command variants of the ship, yeah I think I can.
Wait, do you know how that so called exploit even works?
The bug does not involve having both for sure as I do not have both, but only the intel variant which is the one year old one.
You can actually see the mechanic in Holo's linked video from half a year ago. (click the "Here" in his post)
Or look at the CCA video by Oden... Back to Holo
Don't worry, i'm sure they have someone scouring the Bug Hunters forum for the appropriate bug to exploit as we speak
Pretty sure I would just have to copy Oden's or Spencer's builds (you still remember the torpedo spread issue), as they usually are advertising what you later try to call an exploit...
You really should stop exploiting Oden, before The Exploit Detector tells you off and #s kicks you from your table ;D
(Found the problem w/ the post - multiple Google Drive Links. Should be fixed now. Had to post w/o links first, then edit afterwards and replace w/ TinyURL links. Please let me know if any links do not work)
If the old Torpedo Barrage issue has resurfaced (in part, or in full), I DO want that fixed. I reported the issue almost a year ago when I noticed the following with Torpedo Barrage:
The proc would not grant a HY1
The proc would grant 2 HY1's within the 30 second window, but at random.
The proc would be delayed for up to 10 seconds before the HY1 is granted.
That was fixed and I didn't worry about it since. If it has returned, I would want it fixed, because it would mess up shots in other maps.
FYI, you were quite boastful about using what you deemed as an exploit on the STO FaceBook group, yet you dismissed the extra HY1 as inconsequential with your statement of, "When double sheshar is fixed the build used wouldnt change, as there is no alternative trait, and i am decently sure the difference in power is almost negligable." <-- Direct quote from you. I had requested your logs so that we can review how that one extra HY (with the right torpedo) can contribute to a CAA parse. You still have not provided any logs as was requested so we can look it over. After all, you did ask me for an estimate on how much one HY can do in a CCA, and I spelled out some of the possible conditions where a single HY would add to DPS. Hopefully, that will help you better understand how one extra HY can be potent, especially in a fast run, and especially in a CCA.
As to issues w/ any run that I have done, my logs are publicly available, and have been for over a year. I post the link to them in all of my Reddit builds, and the people that review them help me refine my game and/or assist me in finding issues with torpedoes. The 152K CCA run that Holofrog mention is there for review. If the Torpedo Barrage trait did proc when it shouldn't, the logs should show it. For comparison, when we were testing the double-Sheshar bug, I was used as a control, and the logs where I did NOT use Concentrate Firepower to see if I received two HY1's are available for review, as well as a newish Romulan toon named T'Lurek that does NOT have the Torpedo Barrage trait.
The above is called transparency. There is no curtain to hide my "wizardry". I spell out what I do, and I give that information out so that others can use it as they wish. I learn from others so that I can better teach others, and even learn something new from "my students" after they do something interesting with the knowledge that they've gained. That's more than just building a community, that's thriving in it, as I benefit from them being better. Even in a friendly competition on DPS chasing, we all go for out best, but we also encourage each other and provide tips on how we can improve our individual game not only for ISA, CCA, or HSE, but for other maps as well. Then, we can go to having fun.
I used to look up to you and admire what you do. This is the first video of yours that I downvoted, and it wasn't because of what you did in your video. It was because of your attitude that you will do anything you can, including willfully using bugged mechanics, to try to impress people with your showcase runs. To date, not once in your video did you say that something is bugged or not working properly, or that STO has some bugs, etc. Don't tell people that the message of the video was to show "the obscenely broken game.", when it was highlighting your #1 record holder and your CCA runs.
Wait, do you know how that so called exploit even works?
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I do know how the current bug works. One buys and levels up both variants of the sheshar, slots one copy of the trait and fires a high yield torp. This triggers torpedo barrage. Players fires the high yield from torpedo barrage and triggers a second high yield from a second torpedo barrage. This is shown in the buff/debuff flag tray where there are now 2 flags, one showing torpedo barrage on cooldown one showing it active. When we tested this trait with someone having only one version of this ship, they only received one high yield and then torpedo barrage went on 30 second cooldown without granting a 2nd high yield torpedo. I hope this helps
For the record, yes, I joined that group of players later, but the more important question is "Why aren't you, Sarcasm, a "Wizard of STO"?"
Why would a person, his group's most powerful spokesman not be a "Wizard of STO"?
There is a definition by one of the developers, who is a "Wizard of STO" and who isn't. And you don't meet the requirements for that.
In "Priority One Episode 194 | Wizards of STO" after 18:22 the developer defined, that every person who is doing more than 60k DPS is a "Wizard of STO". Here is a screenshot from the DPS-League Table at that time, you can see, that you were not able to do 60k DPS. Per definition you are not a "Wizard of STO". And because of powercreep it's not possible to become a "Wizard of STO" later. Maybe the 17 highest DPSers can be now Wizards, like on that screenshot, but you are not part of the 17 highest DPSers.
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My name is Holofrog, and I am a "Wizard of STO".
You should probably have done some research before posting links like that. That is an interesting screenshot for a number of reasons. It's showing my old 58.3k record from the 5th of Nov, 2014. I remember that run and still have the parse handy (like any good DPSer worth his or her salt).
I'm surprised that you would want to draw attention to that particular parse in a post where you are trying to imply that you are better than me:
The P1 interview you are referencing was recorded on the 10th of October, 2014. Your over 60k DPS record was done on the 2nd of November, 2014, nearly a month later. By your own logic: you are not and will never be a "Wizard of STO".
Here's the thing, the Dev's comments are not the criteria to determine who was or wasn't a "Wizard of STO". The comments where just my inspiration for creating the Brand, Banner, and Marketing Campaign of "Wizards of STO" for the DPS Channels.
Neither you nor any of metal admins had any hand in creating this marketing campaign, although you did benefit from it when I plugged your videos. Keep in mind yours where not the only videos that i was advertising under that banner.
You guys have copied and stolen enough from the numbers channels. This is where i draw the line. Every time you decide to steal my IP by titling a thread: "The Wizards of STO present:" i will be giving you a rough time. If you would like me to stop and leave you a lone, then come up with a new, original brand for yourselves.
As long as you try to benefit and profit from my ideas, i'll be all over you case. Come up with something new and different; i wouldn't care what you post and i would leave you a lone.
Sarcasm "The Merlin" Detector, Arch-Mage, Supreme Gandalf the White of the Wizards of STO.
P.S.: I'm not a christian (like most of the world), so the fact that it's Christmas is irrelevant to me.
Left this open for a day to see how this goes. After a day... Say No to forum PvP.
Go to Ker'rat & do your thing there, mmmk?
Happy holidays.
/Closed.
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OK, twice my post didn't post. No matter. the logs are posted in Reddit and in my signature for everyone to review. Have fun, all. I've got work to do.
Fleet Defiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support | Fleet Manticore Kinetic Strike Ship | Tactical Command Kinetic Siege Refit | Fleet Defiant Quantum Phase Escort | Fleet Valiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support
Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
"A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
I tend to completely avoid and ignore this useless and unnecessary diatribe between the major DPS groups, but... i have to ask just one thing to the Numbers' guys: is it really so necessary to trigger the flame after each post or video of "Metals" and, moreover, doing it right during the day of the holy Christmas?
That said, an advice for all the contenders: LET. IT. GO.
Happy Holidays
@jarvisandalfred thanks for the mention
Since this game sucks in teaching newbies, there are 2 major hubs in this game which can provide help and advice and they are dps/stf channels and fleets.
Holofrog said that we have got serious problems in this game right now and that's true ... many fleets have had many players quitting after the Delta Fiasco : maybe they should rename it Delta 359, because this is how fleets look like after the last expansion.
And we have had our share of players quitting the game.
But ... I don't know ... maybe thanks to Saint Gennaro LOL ( actually, I think, thanks more to Saint Gennaro than to Massively lol ) , new players are joining the game and then our fleet and some are even very good, like f96p who's a 100k fed player ... and a few new players want even to try pvp.
Hopefully at least a few of us are going to stay around to help these players.
I have my own opinion about the lag, derived from my pvp experience and the ISA runs we organize in our fleet, which differs a little from your opinion and also from the metals' opinion.
I see 2 major causes for the lag and they are the number of instances and the [pen] mod.
I say the number of instances because pvp arenas are always very smooth and definitely a lot smoother than ISA ... Ya, ok, sometimes you might freeze for a sec because of all of the spam going on there but it's never so laggy like an ISA.
I say the [pen] mod because, recently, we've run some ISAs with our recluses ... usually it was something like 2 or 3 recluses, our admiral's scimitar as DPS dealer and another ship as DPS support and, in every run, I saw little if not no lag at all ( our recluses don't use the [pen] mod and our admiral doesn't use it yet )
On the contrary, when I used to jump in whatever private ISA being called in any DPS channels , I almost always experience that lag ( and if I don't , someone else does ) and those runs are usually packed with uber DPS scimitars.
Seems to be when holo and company try to steal Sarcasm Detector's branding that things flame up. Maybe he should stop and things would be quiet. Somehow I doubt they really want things to be quiet and will continue to steal the brand, and flame wars will continue.
The main reason I play this game is for fun. Sometimes that fun can be doing ISA only with mines, sometimes flying T1 ships, and sometimes trying to break personal or game records. But it's always about fun, and more importantly, fun with my friends. How I have that fun is up to me as long as it falls within the Cryptic/PWE TOS. I will not allow a 3rd party group dictate to me that using x y z ability, ship or strategy is somehow cheating. That is for the game developers to decide... Not you.
As for this public flame war... Grow the F up! We don't run after you and troll all your posts or flame your streams. We don't spam all your YouTube videos with downvotes. We just do what we do, sometimes we video it, and sometimes we share it. If you don't wanna watch, don't. We don't care. I fail to see any reason why you should continue to flame and troll any of our posts the way you have been, other than your own bruised egos because some people are better at making numbers on a table that ultimately in the grand scheme of things, means nothing.
No if you'll excuse me, I have some snowballs to throw and some epohhs to breed
(Found the problem w/ the post - multiple Google Drive Links. Should be fixed now. Had to post w/o links first, then edit afterwards and replace w/ TinyURL links. Please let me know if any links do not work)
If the old Torpedo Barrage issue has resurfaced (in part, or in full), I DO want that fixed. I reported the issue almost a year ago when I noticed the following with Torpedo Barrage:
The proc would not grant a HY1
The proc would grant 2 HY1's within the 30 second window, but at random.
The proc would be delayed for up to 10 seconds before the HY1 is granted.
That was fixed and I didn't worry about it since. If it has returned, I would want it fixed, because it would mess up shots in other maps.
FYI, you were quite boastful about using what you deemed as an exploit on the STO FaceBook group, yet you dismissed the extra HY1 as inconsequential with your statement of, "When double sheshar is fixed the build used wouldnt change, as there is no alternative trait, and i am decently sure the difference in power is almost negligable." <-- Direct quote from you. I had requested your logs so that we can review how that one extra HY (with the right torpedo) can contribute to a CAA parse. You still have not provided any logs as was requested so we can look it over. After all, you did ask me for an estimate on how much one HY can do in a CCA, and I spelled out some of the possible conditions where a single HY would add to DPS. Hopefully, that will help you better understand how one extra HY can be potent, especially in a fast run, and especially in a CCA.
As to issues w/ any run that I have done, my logs are publicly available, and have been for over a year. I post the link to them in all of my Reddit builds, and the people that review them help me refine my game and/or assist me in finding issues with torpedoes. The 152K CCA run that Holofrog mention is there for review. If the Torpedo Barrage trait did proc when it shouldn't, the logs should show it. For comparison, when we were testing the double-Sheshar bug, I was used as a control, and the logs where I did NOT use Concentrate Firepower to see if I received two HY1's are available for review, as well as a newish Romulan toon named T'Lurek that does NOT have the Torpedo Barrage trait.
My entire STO log repository is available for review.
The above is called transparency. There is no curtain to hide my "wizardry". I spell out what I do, and I give that information out so that others can use it as they wish. I learn from others so that I can better teach others, and even learn something new from "my students" after they do something interesting with the knowledge that they've gained. That's more than just building a community, that's thriving in it, as I benefit from them being better. Even in a friendly competition on DPS chasing, we all go for out best, but we also encourage each other and provide tips on how we can improve our individual game not only for ISA, CCA, or HSE, but for other maps as well. Then, we can go to having fun.
I used to look up to you and admire what you do. This is the first video of yours that I downvoted, and it wasn't because of what you did in your video. It was because of your attitude that you will do anything you can, including willfully using bugged mechanics, to try to impress people with your showcase runs. To date, not once in your video did you say that something is bugged or not working properly, or that STO has some bugs, etc. Don't tell people that the message of the video was to show "the obscenely broken game.", when it was highlighting your #1 record holder and your CCA runs.
Have a Happy New Year, everyone.
Fleet Defiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support | Fleet Manticore Kinetic Strike Ship | Tactical Command Kinetic Siege Refit | Fleet Defiant Quantum Phase Escort | Fleet Valiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support
Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
"A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
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I do know how the current bug works. One buys and levels up both variants of the sheshar, slots one copy of the trait and fires a high yield torp. This triggers torpedo barrage. Players fires the high yield from torpedo barrage and triggers a second high yield from a second torpedo barrage. This is shown in the buff/debuff flag tray where there are now 2 flags, one showing torpedo barrage on cooldown one showing it active. When we tested this trait with someone having only one version of this ship, they only received one high yield and then torpedo barrage went on 30 second cooldown without granting a 2nd high yield torpedo. I hope this helps
You should probably have done some research before posting links like that. That is an interesting screenshot for a number of reasons. It's showing my old 58.3k record from the 5th of Nov, 2014. I remember that run and still have the parse handy (like any good DPSer worth his or her salt).
I'm surprised that you would want to draw attention to that particular parse in a post where you are trying to imply that you are better than me:
The P1 interview you are referencing was recorded on the 10th of October, 2014. Your over 60k DPS record was done on the 2nd of November, 2014, nearly a month later. By your own logic: you are not and will never be a "Wizard of STO".
Here's the thing, the Dev's comments are not the criteria to determine who was or wasn't a "Wizard of STO". The comments where just my inspiration for creating the Brand, Banner, and Marketing Campaign of "Wizards of STO" for the DPS Channels.
Neither you nor any of metal admins had any hand in creating this marketing campaign, although you did benefit from it when I plugged your videos. Keep in mind yours where not the only videos that i was advertising under that banner.
You guys have copied and stolen enough from the numbers channels. This is where i draw the line. Every time you decide to steal my IP by titling a thread: "The Wizards of STO present:" i will be giving you a rough time. If you would like me to stop and leave you a lone, then come up with a new, original brand for yourselves.
As long as you try to benefit and profit from my ideas, i'll be all over you case. Come up with something new and different; i wouldn't care what you post and i would leave you a lone.
Sarcasm "The Merlin" Detector, Arch-Mage, Supreme Gandalf the White of the Wizards of STO.
P.S.: I'm not a christian (like most of the world), so the fact that it's Christmas is irrelevant to me.
Say No to forum PvP.
Go to Ker'rat & do your thing there, mmmk?
Happy holidays.
/Closed.
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