Why the winter ships only? I'd like to have the first 2 summer ships too (mainly for the admirality system).
Because the winter ships all share the same console set with each other & the Plesh Brek Frigates. Sure, some will want the ships for the Admiralty system too, but the main thing is to complete that console set. The Risian ships, while also having a console set, don't share anything with the Nandi, which is why the winter ships are a higher priority.
Higher priority to you, but the basic fact remains: exclusivity started shortly before Risa 2015 with no notice during the end of Risa 2014 to "slot the ships or lose access forever."
Therefore, allow slotting of Risa ships & Winter ships one more time is a reasonable request, and would constitute a proper notification in time. Also, who is to say there won't be T6 Risian ships next summer with set bonuses that people will want just the same as the Raider pets and console bonuses of Winter, like some Risian carrier that has Frigate Corvettes that require owning it previous years to unlock.
It is all the feedback during the Summer event that allowed the trade-off of account-wide event ship unlocks for exclusivity, so in that sense everyone has been compensated with something very valuable ever since, even if there's never been true advance notice (allow slotting the projects this last time).
you forget cryptic has the right to change, add or take away the availability of any item in the game without prior notification.
All "Exclusivity" does is create an atmosphere of "Nah, Nah, I Got Somthin' You Can't Have"...
Which is in no way, good for the Community as a whole.
Neither is it a good way to bring in new, lasting players when they discover that there are parts of the game that are unattainable, yet are required to complete a given set.
It is a very poor business decision, especially when it comes to Trek fans, who have been proven to be more than willing to spend large sums of money on their favorite hobby.
there are many items in the game that I will never have some of them simply because the mechanic to gain them is no longer available, I don't feel like players who have these items are remotely "Nah, Nah, I Got Somthin' You Can't Have" most would be glad to see you get these items but if they are no longer available the only thing I can do is use a close alternative item that you will often find is better then the thing you were wanting so badly anyway.
like the console set from these ships that players are so desperate to get, I can tell you now there are far better sets you can get anyway so you are not missing much.
Basing other folks desires on your own, isn't a proper way to look at the situation.
Just because you don't want or need it, doesn't mean somebody should feel the same.
And what you feel is "good" may not be why somebody else desires it.
They may want it just to complete a set or perhaps they play the game in a very different style from the way you do.
What you've just described is a very "Me" oriented mentality and is exactly what I was talking about when I said "Nah, Nah I've got something you can't have".
You apparently don't want it cause it's not all that great in your estimation and believe that nobody else should desire it for the same reason.
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so in other words its not a case of "Nah, Nah, I Got Somthin' You Can't Have", its more like "you have something I haven't and I must have it even more because I cant get it".
it sounds to me like the only way you will ever feel good is if nothing in the game is out of your reach.
if that's not a very "Me" oriented mentality I don't know what is.
if most posters were truly honest chances are they only really want these because they are no longer available and in all likelihood haven't got them now because they didn't really want them when they were available.
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When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Even adding them to the Lobi, Dilithium, C- or fleet stores would be better than permanently and entirely removing them.
Based on the way things currently are, you can purchase the new event ships for Lobi via buying the voucher packages. Cost, probably around 1250 Lobi. To get 1250 Lobi requires opening about 250 lockboxes which means you'd have to buy keys to a total of 28,125 Zen.
So, are you willing to spend those sorts of numbers in order to get those ships? If not, then I don't think it's really right to be wanting Cryptic to offer that method of picking up the older ships.
Having only been playing the game for a few months, it really ticks me off that I don't have a way to get some of those ships if I wanted them. I'd be happy if there was some alternate "grind" I could do that would allow me to be able to get them. It could just be something like a 2 week event at least a couple times a year where we could work towards those sorts of things. Not long enough to finish them or interfere with other big events but enough that we could maybe complete 1 ship doing 2 of the events.
You do know that you can get keys for EC from exchange...right? So you can get those lobi without spending one single zen of your own.
while this is true bare in mind that at the current price of 5 million ec per key it would cost you about 1.25 billion ec to get the keys to open the 250 lockboxes required to get one ship.
still if you need lots of ec I have heard selling lockbox keys is a good way to get it.....DOH!
While the keys are expensive now, they will drop once the herald box gets phased out unless they have something as broken as the vonph trait in the next box(it could also drop if they nerf that trait as well). This is a good time to sell keys to the fools who want to buy high. Wait and buy those keys later after you made a fortune off the fools now. There are plenty of items you can do this with (like event items at the start of an event). Man, do they not teach economics anymore in school? Does the term buy low, sell high mean nothing to people?
even when they drop in price you are still looking at a considerable sum of EC to take this route to get the winter/summer ships and last time I looked EC doesn't grow on trees no matter how suave you are at playing the market you will still be looking at a considerable amount of game time to raise the funds you would require.
Actually...EC DOES grow on trees. You can get a couple mil by running tour the galaxy on a few characters. The admiralty system gives out some good EC as well. There are farming foundry where you can get 200k+ per run. And that's on top of the millions, 10s of million, 100s of millions you can make off the exchange (which I admit is just a transfer...so less apt to the grow on trees analogy). And I never said it would be EASY...or QUICK. I said there is an alternative to getting those lobi then spending just zen. And why should everything be quick and easy?!? If you missed out on an exclusive item and want it still, why should it be quick and easy for you? I have no problem with having an alternative that requires a bit of work to do.
it could be said that although you might not be spending money to buy the keys you still have to religh on the fact that others have spent money to buy the keys and the more players that use your method the less keys there will be to buy and the shortage will have the inevitable effect of raising the price even more but that is just conjecture.
all I can say is if that's the way you prefer to get the current winter event ship you go right ahead, I prefer the race method myself.
though its true that with enough work and time you could raise enough EC to get the lobi you would need that doesn't alter the fact that you wont get the old event ships that way as they will never be available again, we had all of these kind of threads and then some over the summer ships with threads like "can we have one more chance", "cant we buy them in the lobi store" and so on but it didn't change a thing.
I think cryptic has made its mind up on this one and nothing anyone says is going to change that.
like I have said before it doesn't bother me if others have these ships and if they were not bound and I could reclaim and gift them to anyone who wants them I would but cryptic says no.
Post edited by bobbydazlers on
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
When you think about it, the exclusivity thing is okay, but consider the income they'll be losing from ship slots, and drydock slots.
If you give a new player the chance at 4 Breen ships, that's 4 ships filling up slots.
Risian ships are another 3, corvette, Love boat, and Nandi.
Then consider Anniversary ships...
That's a lot of ship slots needed.
The main reason I bought more ship slots on a number of occasions (before Admiralty and dry dock), was because they've given away so many ships over the time I've been playing STO.
They were needed to hold all the freebies.
I just think they will lose out on some sales by retiring event ships. Those ships really force your hand into getting more ship slots (if you like keeping all the ships you get).
So, in a way I think it's a little foolish of them, to leave money on the table, but on the other hand, I can see why they'd want to make some things "unique"/Exclusive.
Those ships become less "special" if they're available at every reoccurring event.
If they are available only once, then that will entice more players to participate in said event.
When you think about it, the exclusivity thing is okay, but consider the income they'll be losing from ship slots, and drydock slots.
If you give a new player the chance at 4 Breen ships, that's 4 ships filling up slots.
Risian ships are another 3, corvette, Love boat, and Nandi.
Then consider Anniversary ships...
That's a lot of ship slots needed.
The main reason I bought more ship slots on a number of occasions (before Admiralty and dry dock), was because they've given away so many ships over the time I've been playing STO.
They were needed to hold all the freebies.
I just think they will lose out on some sales by retiring event ships. Those ships really force your hand into getting more ship slots (if you like keeping all the ships you get).
So, in a way I think it's a little foolish of them, to leave money on the table, but on the other hand, I can see why they'd want to make some things "unique"/Exclusive.
Those ships become less "special" if they're available at every reoccurring event.
If they are available only once, then that will entice more players to participate in said event.
I can see both sides of the coin.
that's not necessarily correct, as these ships are now account unlocked and reclaimable similar to c-store ships there would be no need for players to have a multitude of slots to house them, all they need is one free slot any time they want to use one and this can be gained easily by simply moving any ship to the ship drydock or by discarding a c-store ship if they have one.
I am certain many players never bothered with these events in the past simply because they just weren't all that bothered to have them at the time, after all they could always get them at a later time if they suddenly decided they wanted them (or so they thought).
I am pretty sure many of the posters who have been crying out to have "just one last chance" to get these ships had ample opportunity to get the whole lot last year but just could not be bothered.
it is only now that these ships have been removed that so many players suddenly want to get them and this desire is only intensified by the introduction of the admiralty system.
well maybe now they know they will only get one chance to get these event ships they wont be so disinterested in taking part in these events.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
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so in other words its not a case of "Nah, Nah, I Got Somthin' You Can't Have", its more like "you have something I haven't and I must have it even more because I cant get it".
it sounds to me like the only way you will ever feel good is if nothing in the game is out of your reach.
if that's not a very "Me" oriented mentality I don't know what is.
if most posters were truly honest chances are they only really want these because they are no longer available and in all likelihood haven't got them now because they didn't really want them when they were available.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
it could be said that although you might not be spending money to buy the keys you still have to religh on the fact that others have spent money to buy the keys and the more players that use your method the less keys there will be to buy and the shortage will have the inevitable effect of raising the price even more but that is just conjecture.
all I can say is if that's the way you prefer to get the current winter event ship you go right ahead, I prefer the race method myself.
though its true that with enough work and time you could raise enough EC to get the lobi you would need that doesn't alter the fact that you wont get the old event ships that way as they will never be available again, we had all of these kind of threads and then some over the summer ships with threads like "can we have one more chance", "cant we buy them in the lobi store" and so on but it didn't change a thing.
I think cryptic has made its mind up on this one and nothing anyone says is going to change that.
like I have said before it doesn't bother me if others have these ships and if they were not bound and I could reclaim and gift them to anyone who wants them I would but cryptic says no.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
If you give a new player the chance at 4 Breen ships, that's 4 ships filling up slots.
Risian ships are another 3, corvette, Love boat, and Nandi.
Then consider Anniversary ships...
That's a lot of ship slots needed.
The main reason I bought more ship slots on a number of occasions (before Admiralty and dry dock), was because they've given away so many ships over the time I've been playing STO.
They were needed to hold all the freebies.
I just think they will lose out on some sales by retiring event ships. Those ships really force your hand into getting more ship slots (if you like keeping all the ships you get).
So, in a way I think it's a little foolish of them, to leave money on the table, but on the other hand, I can see why they'd want to make some things "unique"/Exclusive.
Those ships become less "special" if they're available at every reoccurring event.
If they are available only once, then that will entice more players to participate in said event.
I can see both sides of the coin.
that's not necessarily correct, as these ships are now account unlocked and reclaimable similar to c-store ships there would be no need for players to have a multitude of slots to house them, all they need is one free slot any time they want to use one and this can be gained easily by simply moving any ship to the ship drydock or by discarding a c-store ship if they have one.
I am certain many players never bothered with these events in the past simply because they just weren't all that bothered to have them at the time, after all they could always get them at a later time if they suddenly decided they wanted them (or so they thought).
I am pretty sure many of the posters who have been crying out to have "just one last chance" to get these ships had ample opportunity to get the whole lot last year but just could not be bothered.
it is only now that these ships have been removed that so many players suddenly want to get them and this desire is only intensified by the introduction of the admiralty system.
well maybe now they know they will only get one chance to get these event ships they wont be so disinterested in taking part in these events.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Just sayin' Cryptic