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Fleet Carrier - Fleet Ships-Never again
tryptophan286
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This is my first and last time I am purchasing fleet ships. For one thing they don't come with a V mastery skill. . . second, they don't come with the console mod from the C-Store ship. The lack of console mod was NEVER mentioned in the description. Maybe it is supposed to be common knowledge, but not putting it in the description is just not right. What about the new people (or even people who have been playing for 5 years who don't know this). I feel like I was baited then switched. . . . At least you should be able to pick up the console mod in a store. . . .
Having to purchase the c-store ship just to get the mod for the fleet version is not right. This whole game has become a money making trick. I am truly getting frustrated with this financial model.
I am done. . . last time for making any c-store or fleet ship purchases. This has completely ruined my experience.
Having to purchase the c-store ship just to get the mod for the fleet version is not right. This whole game has become a money making trick. I am truly getting frustrated with this financial model.
I am done. . . last time for making any c-store or fleet ship purchases. This has completely ruined my experience.
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Truth be told, I don't like the deal with the starship traits either. I guess they figured people were going to by the C-Store versions anyway (for the FSM discount and consoles), why not get some mileage out of the purchase? Since I have never purchased a ship solely for the FSM discount, that doesn't exactly work for me. I would prefer the ability to earn the traits on the Fleet versions as well. So, I feel ya here.
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What would make you think you would be able to get an upgraded version of a $30 ship, with all the bells and whistles for only $25 worth of FSMs? If it seems to good to be true, it probably is, and the information is very readily available.
There have never been Consoles on any Fleet Ship or any non C-Store version of a ship you purchase from the NPC vendor. If it has the Zen Symbol or Zen cost in that venue it has a Console. If it has a Dilithium Cost, Fleet Credit cost, EC cost, or Special Token cost then not.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Z-store ships are usually good enough for most people, and they're account-wide unlocked once you buy them. For those with multiple characters, or for those without a fleet and no interest in joining one, there is limited reason to buy a fleet variant and the standard variant may be more interesting in these cases.
The standard Z-store ships are usually good enough, which means that people usually buy that ship anyways. If you do decide to only buy the fleet ship, then it's kinda logical that you don't get everything you would have gotten if you had bought the standard ship first.
The only thing they sell at the Z-Store are tinfoil hats.
Meh, there's a 'z' (albeit a strange one, but it still looks nothing like a 'c'
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9667053-star-trek-online:-building-jupiter
Fleet Carrier [T6]
The Fleet Carrier [T6] has been specifically designed to support your Fleet. Fleet Starships are built to the highest standard and have increased Hull Hit Points, Shield Strength and an additional Console slot. Tier 6 Fleet ships do not have a fifth Starship Mastery level and thus do not unlock a Starship Trait.
The Fleet Carrier [T6] features a Lieutenant Commander Engineering/Intel bridge officer seat.
The Fleet Carrier [T6] has a pair of hangar bays equipped with Peregrine Fighters. These light craft are equipped with Phaser Pulse Cannons and Micro Photon Torpedoes.
Ship Details
Tier: 6
Availability: Fleet Shipyard Tier 4
Faction: Starfleet
Required Rank: Vice Admiral
Hull Strength: 49,335 at level 50 and 57,200 at level 60
Shield Modifier: 1.375
Crew: 2200
Weapons: 3 Fore, 3 Aft
Device Slots: 4
Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Lieutenant Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Commander Engineering/Intel, 1 Lieutenant Science, 1 Commander Science, 1 Lieutenant Universal
Console Modifications: 3 Tactical, 4 Engineering, 4 Science
Base Turn Rate: 6 degrees per second
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
Inertia: 30
+10 Shield Power, +10 Auxiliary Power
Can load Dual Cannons
Sub-System Targeting
Hangar Bays: 2
Hangar Bays loaded with Peregrine Fighters
Starship Ability Package (Science Carrier)
Quick Deployment (+Pet XP, -Hangar Pet Recharge Time)
Armored Hull (+Max Hull HP)
Reactive Shield Technology (+Shield Regen/Hardness)
Advanced Shield Systems (+Max Shield HP)
Also, no console in the list. So, you didn't read anything, went for the fleet version, then you claim you were not warned. There is a warning right in the news!!
@ryugasirius : Yeah, I was hoping someone would look up the actual writeup, complete with "The lack of console mod [that] was NEVER mentioned in the description."
The Shipyard Information via the NPC for example makes it quite known what you get with the C-Store or Fleet version of a ship.
In addition the news page detailing the Jupiter's stats makes it very clear what you get with the basic C-Store and the Fleet version of the ship.
If a player is not one to keep track of the STO news page, that's fine. But there in game, STO is VERY CLEAR on what you get and lists point for point. Whether you are looking at the ingame C-Store ship information page, or looking at it from the Shipyard sales NPC, the game is clear on what you get. You can't make it more idiotproof than that.
It's not Cryptic's fault if people do not look before they jump. The information is there.
But all is not lost OP. Just buy the C-store version and level it up. You will then get your Starship Mastery and the special console to use on your Fleet ship.
And the Jupiter Trait is garbage, so you're not really missing out on anything, after all.
Do yourself a favour and do some basic research before buying any ship. Fleet ships have never come with a console or trait.
Well, i'm not sure i would agree with that totally. Granted, [Pen] Weapons are king, but the Advanced Fleet [Dmg]x2 [CrtD]x2 weapons are easily the best weapons available for their price by far. And since the Gold plating isn't really worth the trouble anyway, it's MUCH better for 99% of players to just take those weapons to Mk14, that to try and build a set of the perfect crafted beams.
1. It unlocks the ship and admiralty card for all alts. Sometimes useful for the trait even if you don't want to fly the ship
2. The Fleet version then only costs 1 module not 5.
3. You get the console and trait
Perhaps Cryptic could have a pop-up warning in ship and shuttle requisitions for people like OP who refuse to read about the difference between C-Store and fleet ships, even though every new ship stat post mentions them.
Voluntary Illiteracy - Being willing to not read the fine or bold print, and blaming the resulting lack of knowledge on others.
Fact of the matter is, that the OP certainly has a point. And that is because Cryptic presents matters in an either/or 'C-Store ship (used to be 2,500 Zen) vs. 5x Fleet Ship Modules (also 2,500 Zen)' way. When it's the first Fleet ship you buy, it's quite reasonable to overlook the caveats of direct-Fleet purchases. Yes, it doesn't really say you get the console on the Fleet ship; but it doesn't explicitely say you don't get it either. That could be much clearer. Here's how this goes down: a trusting customer reads the stats for the Jupiter, thinks "Cool, I want that!" And then decides he might as well just go for the Fleet version. Naturally, this first-time Fleet-ship buyer isn't going to double-check the entire item-list, to see whether they perchance removed an item for the Fleet ship (if for nothing else, because it's conceptually logical to assume the Fleet ship will always be better, in every way).
So, could you guys possibly give the OP a break, and not pile-on so anxiously?!
'No Tier V Mastery Trait' is Cryptic's way of saying "We really just want you to buy the C-Store version first." Fine. But all of this can be done much better. Like a pop-up window, with a warning that you will miss out on the C-Store perks, if you go direct-Fleet. That would go a long way towards making things a lot more clear for first-time Fleet ship buyers. Or, as others have suggested, make the discount vice-versa, and offer the C-Store ship at a highly reduced price as well, when ppl bought the Fleet ship first.
...it were true that the description didn't say the fleet version doesn't come with the trait & console (not true, it does) or...
...the OP hadn't come into the forums claiming Cryptic "baited then switched" using a "money making trick" (both direct quotes from the OP) then...
... you might have had a point. But you don't.
Where exactly does it explicitely say the Fleet ship doesn't come with the C-Store console?
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9667053-star-trek-online:-building-jupiter
If it did, you might have had a point. But you don't. :P
Seriously, it's quite a reasonable thing for a first-time Fleet-ship buyer to overlook. And yes, the OP overdid it a bit on the anger, but he still has a point: Cryptic should make this a lot more clear. In fact, they might as well overhaul the entire Fleet-ship concept, now that they are immediately available these days (which just means you have to double-grind the Mastery in a row, which is kinda silly).
Defending The Galaxy By Breaking One Starfleet Regulation After The Next.
DUDE... In that very link you posted, the trait and console is CLEARLY listed in the C-Store version of the ship. In the very same link, the FLEET version is listed with its stats.
- Edit: Why would anyone put 2 sets of stats up? Because there's fundamental differences.
The normal version has these entries:
Console - Universal - Fleet Coordination Matrix
As well as
Insult to Injury (Starship Trait)
2 things the Fleet version clearly did not have. It also goes on to say this:
"Tier 6 Fleet ships do not have a fifth Starship Mastery level and thus do not unlock a Starship Trait."
I also want to repeat that even if someone did not give 1 f*** about reading the news page, the ingame C-Store Page on the Jupiter, the Shipyard NPC to buy ships from clearly lists what both ships do and do not come with.
The game LISTS for you, point for point, what comes with the different ships. If one item says it has X and Y in the product description, then it should have X and Y, yes? If you look at a similar product, it it does not say it has X and Y, do you buy it and assume it has them? How much more idiotproof does it need to be done?
Does Cryptic need to make you take a quiz to test you on what you are about to purchase? Because the info is already out there, laid out.