The Romulan Republic isn't going to be declaring war on the RSE anytime soon.
1. Sela did bring assistance to the Alliance in the form of the Dominion in the latter part of the Iconian War.
2. The Romulan Republic is in an Alliance, binding itself with the Federation and Klingon Empire. Do you guys REALLY think the others want a war with the RSE?
3. If you were wondering if the Alliance really wanted to put away Sela, they didn't, if you guys paid any attention to the last FE of the Iconian War, with Sela standing there in the celebrations of the war's end at San Francisco.
4. If you guys didn't notice, the military forces of the Federation, Klingon Empire, Romulan Republic **All Got Trashed** during the Iconian War. Qo'nos, New Romulus, Earth, the cores of the members of the Alliance, got hit hard. New Romulus and Earth got the worst of it and ESD got rekt **again**.
5. Immediately on the heels of the closure of the Iconian War, the Alliance was dealing with a new Mirror Invasion.
The Alliance does not have the diplomatic will, desire, nor military capability to start a war with the RSE. The Federation most of all would be completely against it, and let's face it, Starfleet is the largest military power of the Alliance. The Federation is not one to start wars for most parts, even in the very warlike era of STO. Unless the RSE takes hostile action against the Alliance, the Federation will not be willing to partake in any aggressive action against them. Especially after the catastrophe of the Iconian War. And again, since Starfleet is the larger military power, the Federation has a lot of say in what the Alliance does.
Long involved post all of which could be avoided by remembering the fact that D'Twerp could have gone to war with the Imperial Remnant before but DOES NOT WANT to. Something about "not enough of us left to be fighting one another" or similar.
1. Sela's contribution is outweighed by her own crimes, not to mention it was her idiocy that destroyed Romulus.
2. The Republic never stopped being at war with the RSE. Also, the Klingons really HATE the RSE, just as much as the Republic. I have no doubt the Klinks would hesitate to help deal a death blow to that enemy.
3. Then why did she have to sneak away? If she was so welcome, there's no reason to hide yourself like a fugitive.
4. New Romulus and Qo'noS. Earth escaped relatively unscathed. Even then, New Romulus was hit by more of a raid, whose objective was to secure the ruins. Also, their losses still put them way out ahead of the RSE, who, as I pointed out, has so few ships that a single Mogai was the only escort they could scrape up for their ruler.
5. The Mirror invasion is confined to the Alpha Quadrant, it seems. The queue can't be considered canon, unless you think the Terrans would attack the same station the same exact way three years in a row. The mirror forces are nowhere near the heartland of the Romulans and Klingons.
Perhaps we ought to invade the Empire. The combined forces of the Federation, Republic and the Klingons. Then each world will be given a choice who to submit to. The Klingons, the Republic or the Federation.
D'Twerp would have a REALLY hard time staying in power or claiming his joke Republic is anything but a lapdog if he allowed his "allies" to conquer that many Romulan planets. Regardless of how they acquire the worlds those are Romulans(and Remans) populating them, and the Republic professes to stand for ALL Romulans and Remans. Many also remember that the Klinks were quick to start conquering after Hobus, and would not allow a second wave of this.
D'Tan is no threat
Really? How many warbirds are over Qo'Nos and Earth at any given point in time? Sure they wouldn't last too long, but it only takes a few seconds to launch a torpedo barrage at the planet below. Or ESD/Shipyard. Esp with battle cloaks
If we're talking the player warbirds, then canonically speaking 1. 1 fed starship. 1 Klingon battlecruiser/bird of prey and 1 Rommie warbird. a big fat 1 across the board. This story is a single player game, with mmo access much in the way Tor is. (granted it has a better sandbox-ish feel to it, but it's still a single player experience.)
The story focuses on you. On your ship. On your story. But if you're being very generous and stretching the rules. you could try and say 3 (1 for each faction) but if you want to get down to nuts and bolts most likely 1, because of overlapping story arcs that that make you the hero/Chosen one (insert star wars pun here) , and can't be reconciled with all 3.
Even if you choose to follow that, itd be inaccurate considering you run into a Romulan captain of the opposite alliance even in the storyline.. it focuses on your deeds, but you arent the only Romulan in space, just the only one able to get anything done.
D'Twerp would have a REALLY hard time staying in power or claiming his joke Republic is anything but a lapdog if he allowed his "allies" to conquer that many Romulan planets. Regardless of how they acquire the worlds those are Romulans(and Remans) populating them, and the Republic professes to stand for ALL Romulans and Remans. Many also remember that the Klinks were quick to start conquering after Hobus, and would not allow a second wave of this.
D'Tan is no threat
Really? How many warbirds are over Qo'Nos and Earth at any given point in time? Sure they wouldn't last too long, but it only takes a few seconds to launch a torpedo barrage at the planet below. Or ESD/Shipyard. Esp with battle cloaks
If we're talking the player warbirds, then canonically speaking 1. 1 fed starship. 1 Klingon battlecruiser/bird of prey and 1 Rommie warbird. a big fat 1 across the board. This story is a single player game, with mmo access much in the way Tor is. (granted it has a better sandbox-ish feel to it, but it's still a single player experience.)
The story focuses on you. On your ship. On your story. But if you're being very generous and stretching the rules. you could try and say 3 (1 for each faction) but if you want to get down to nuts and bolts most likely 1, because of overlapping story arcs that that make you the hero/Chosen one (insert star wars pun here) , and can't be reconciled with all 3.
Even if you choose to follow that, itd be inaccurate considering you run into a Romulan captain of the opposite alliance even in the storyline.. it focuses on your deeds, but you arent the only Romulan in space, just the only one able to get anything done.
Such is the delicate balance of roleplay, my friends. My Fed main is a Fleet Admiral equivalent (First Marshal), my Rom main is a Centurion, and my KDF main is a Captain, with each characters having their own story, that is not always tied to every mission. I'd go into more detail, but I don't want to get carried away from the point.
In my fanon I used Velal, the Romulan general who put Sela in power in the first place in The Path to 2409, as the new leader of the regular empire, by way of him being appointed praetor, ostensibly as a figurehead, after she declared herself empress. In his appearances in Deep Space Nine he struck me as a cautious pragmatist, and he's worked with the Feds and Klinks in the past. And in TPT2409 he was a protege of Tebok, a man who refused Taris' order to put down a rebellion on Kevratas by force, instead choosing diplomatic means to end the rebellion.
I think Velal would be open to making peace with the major powers. But the Tal Shiar have gone off the reservation and need to be taken out for good. It'd be a way better story than more time travel TRIBBLE, too.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
In my fanon I used Velal, the Romulan general who put Sela in power in the first place in The Path to 2409, as the new leader of the regular empire, by way of him being appointed praetor, ostensibly as a figurehead, after she declared herself empress. In his appearances in Deep Space Nine he struck me as a cautious pragmatist, and he's worked with the Feds and Klinks in the past. And in TPT2409 he was a protege of Tebok, a man who refused Taris' order to put down a rebellion on Kevratas by force, instead choosing diplomatic means to end the rebellion.
I think Velal would be open to making peace with the major powers. But the Tal Shiar have gone off the reservation and need to be taken out for good. It'd be a way better story than more time travel TRIBBLE, too.
Good call. I liked Velal.
I also liked Senator Letant, and I've always wondered what happened to him.
In my fanon I used Velal, the Romulan general who put Sela in power in the first place in The Path to 2409, as the new leader of the regular empire, by way of him being appointed praetor, ostensibly as a figurehead, after she declared herself empress. In his appearances in Deep Space Nine he struck me as a cautious pragmatist, and he's worked with the Feds and Klinks in the past. And in TPT2409 he was a protege of Tebok, a man who refused Taris' order to put down a rebellion on Kevratas by force, instead choosing diplomatic means to end the rebellion.
I think Velal would be open to making peace with the major powers. But the Tal Shiar have gone off the reservation and need to be taken out for good. It'd be a way better story than more time travel TRIBBLE, too.
Not too dissimilar to my own ideas... and it has the added benefit of falling in-line with game canon, so it could very well be accurate without contradicting anything. Velal is easily the best choice for Sela's second.
I also liked Senator Letant, and I've always wondered what happened to him.
Given that we see Letant just before the battle of Chin'toka... and never again; his place on DS9 being replaced by Senator Cretak, it can be likely assumed that he fell in that battle.
In my fanon I used Velal, the Romulan general who put Sela in power in the first place in The Path to 2409, as the new leader of the regular empire, by way of him being appointed praetor, ostensibly as a figurehead, after she declared herself empress. In his appearances in Deep Space Nine he struck me as a cautious pragmatist, and he's worked with the Feds and Klinks in the past. And in TPT2409 he was a protege of Tebok, a man who refused Taris' order to put down a rebellion on Kevratas by force, instead choosing diplomatic means to end the rebellion.
I think Velal would be open to making peace with the major powers. But the Tal Shiar have gone off the reservation and need to be taken out for good. It'd be a way better story than more time travel TRIBBLE, too.
Good call. I liked Velal.
I also liked Senator Letant, and I've always wondered what happened to him.
Letant was great. I named one of my D'deridex's after him.
It would be nice to see Velal or Letant pop up again as a prominent member (or leader) of the Star Empire.
It seems the Dominion liked to target Romulan leadership.
if you're at war with someone, you take out their leadership... esp the ones that have a ruthless, do whatever it takes, streak.
I don't recall Federation or Klingon leadership being targeted, much. Probably because meh, one dies, oh well. Replacements are easy. But in the Romulan empire, the death of a leader can cause political turmoil.
It seems the Dominion liked to target Romulan leadership.
if you're at war with someone, you take out their leadership... esp the ones that have a ruthless, do whatever it takes, streak.
I don't recall Federation or Klingon leadership being targeted, much. Probably because meh, one dies, oh well. Replacements are easy. But in the Romulan empire, the death of a leader can cause political turmoil.
not many of the Rom or Klink leaders were ruthless or competent either :P
It seems the Dominion liked to target Romulan leadership.
if you're at war with someone, you take out their leadership... esp the ones that have a ruthless, do whatever it takes, streak.
I don't recall Federation or Klingon leadership being targeted, much. Probably because meh, one dies, oh well. Replacements are easy. But in the Romulan empire, the death of a leader can cause political turmoil.
not many of the Rom or Klink leaders were ruthless or competent either :P
they had nothing on Sisko. I wonder why the Dominion didn't try harder to kill him
It seems the Dominion liked to target Romulan leadership.
if you're at war with someone, you take out their leadership... esp the ones that have a ruthless, do whatever it takes, streak.
I don't recall Federation or Klingon leadership being targeted, much. Probably because meh, one dies, oh well. Replacements are easy. But in the Romulan empire, the death of a leader can cause political turmoil.
not many of the Rom or Klink leaders were ruthless or competent either :P
they had nothing on Sisko. I wonder why the Dominion didn't try harder to kill him
Klingons are a always a risk. They knock each other off all the time, but the last thing you want is a tactful, strategic, charismatic Klingon who wasn't challenging the superior to take his place. He could begin a "Waaaaaggggghhhhh" (sorry for stealing from another IP) that would set the Dominion back 25 years while the damage would only take the Klingons 10 years to recover from. They're just far to resilient so there is no point in poking them with a stick. Just watch and learn and let them keep themselves out of the fight (like they did) and when they look to be getting fiesty, direct it somewhere else (which they did).
They tried to knock out Sisko as well. Along with the Klingons and some Romulans. But the plot was foiled. It wasn't for a complete lack of effort.
But let's face it. Continuity writing in ST is supremely poor. Much of the adventure may be neat in and of themselves, but make no sense in the bigger picture (Mirror universe being the worst offender.). Yes there should have been more attempts on getting at Sisko, but how does the entire Cardassian Special Forces get wiped out in one swoop? Why would there be no chain of command to pick up the pieces?
Bad writing......that's how. A complete lack of understanding of anything military by 90% of those involved with writing for ST (which continues today).
The Cardassian special forces weren't wiped out. They just took such a big blow that the people realised they could be challenged... and challenged them they did.
People constantly make references to the Obsidian Order being " no more". Why has there been no effort to get them involved again? Story wise they were indeed wiped. Anything past that is us just filing in the details with our mind to make more sense of it.
It seems the Dominion liked to target Romulan leadership.
if you're at war with someone, you take out their leadership... esp the ones that have a ruthless, do whatever it takes, streak.
I don't recall Federation or Klingon leadership being targeted, much. Probably because meh, one dies, oh well. Replacements are easy. But in the Romulan empire, the death of a leader can cause political turmoil.
not many of the Rom or Klink leaders were ruthless or competent either :P
they had nothing on Sisko. I wonder why the Dominion didn't try harder to kill him
"Entire fleet, target USS Defiant."
Seconds later, DS9 TV series ends.
Yeah, but not the war. Sisko's really unique and crucial contribution to the Dominion War was that he stopped a Dominion Fleet from passing the wormhole. But how unique was it? Would a different leader have blown up the wormhole*? (Which is what the Holodeck simulations the Founders did was an option that would likely be considered by members of Starfleet - unknown is if t his would really have worked.) Or would the death of Sisko cause the wormhole to be closed for good because the Prophets would protect themselves and isolate themselves from the aggression inherent to our linear beings?
And before this Wormhole incident happened- would Sisko have even been seen as that relevant (or dangerous/powerful) to the Dominion in the first place?
There are a lot of unknowns - for us as well as for any Dominion decision maker.
It also overall seems as if the Founders are not really all that focused on assassination attempts. They use their infiltration abilities to gather information and to destabilize. They could have used Martok to assassinate Gowron. But they used him instead to lead Gowron into a war with the Cardassians that would also destroy the Klingon/Federation alliance.
The bombing on the Federation conference triggered an attempted coup by a Starfleet Admiral due to the feeling of paranoia this gave to everyone. Any Starfleet officers could have stopped him eventually (if it wasn't Sisko, you can bet at least someone like Picard would get involved eventually and put an end to it). Who that would be was not neccessarily predictable.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Founders have enough experience with other interstellar groups and unions that they learned that individuals are not that important, and it's more important to disable or abuse the mechanism by which these groups function.
*) or the Bajoran system?
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Honestly, Siskos rank saved him. He was a Captain, not an Admiral. You don't spend resources assassinating someone that far down the chain when staging an invasion.
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Long involved post all of which could be avoided by remembering the fact that D'Twerp could have gone to war with the Imperial Remnant before but DOES NOT WANT to. Something about "not enough of us left to be fighting one another" or similar.
2. The Republic never stopped being at war with the RSE. Also, the Klingons really HATE the RSE, just as much as the Republic. I have no doubt the Klinks would hesitate to help deal a death blow to that enemy.
3. Then why did she have to sneak away? If she was so welcome, there's no reason to hide yourself like a fugitive.
4. New Romulus and Qo'noS. Earth escaped relatively unscathed. Even then, New Romulus was hit by more of a raid, whose objective was to secure the ruins. Also, their losses still put them way out ahead of the RSE, who, as I pointed out, has so few ships that a single Mogai was the only escort they could scrape up for their ruler.
5. The Mirror invasion is confined to the Alpha Quadrant, it seems. The queue can't be considered canon, unless you think the Terrans would attack the same station the same exact way three years in a row. The mirror forces are nowhere near the heartland of the Romulans and Klingons.
If we're talking the player warbirds, then canonically speaking 1. 1 fed starship. 1 Klingon battlecruiser/bird of prey and 1 Rommie warbird. a big fat 1 across the board. This story is a single player game, with mmo access much in the way Tor is. (granted it has a better sandbox-ish feel to it, but it's still a single player experience.)
The story focuses on you. On your ship. On your story. But if you're being very generous and stretching the rules. you could try and say 3 (1 for each faction) but if you want to get down to nuts and bolts most likely 1, because of overlapping story arcs that that make you the hero/Chosen one (insert star wars pun here) , and can't be reconciled with all 3.
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Such is the delicate balance of roleplay, my friends. My Fed main is a Fleet Admiral equivalent (First Marshal), my Rom main is a Centurion, and my KDF main is a Captain, with each characters having their own story, that is not always tied to every mission. I'd go into more detail, but I don't want to get carried away from the point.
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I think Velal would be open to making peace with the major powers. But the Tal Shiar have gone off the reservation and need to be taken out for good. It'd be a way better story than more time travel TRIBBLE, too.
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Good call. I liked Velal.
I also liked Senator Letant, and I've always wondered what happened to him.
Not too dissimilar to my own ideas... and it has the added benefit of falling in-line with game canon, so it could very well be accurate without contradicting anything. Velal is easily the best choice for Sela's second.
Given that we see Letant just before the battle of Chin'toka... and never again; his place on DS9 being replaced by Senator Cretak, it can be likely assumed that he fell in that battle.
if you're at war with someone, you take out their leadership... esp the ones that have a ruthless, do whatever it takes, streak.
Letant was great. I named one of my D'deridex's after him.
It would be nice to see Velal or Letant pop up again as a prominent member (or leader) of the Star Empire.
I don't recall Federation or Klingon leadership being targeted, much. Probably because meh, one dies, oh well. Replacements are easy. But in the Romulan empire, the death of a leader can cause political turmoil.
not many of the Rom or Klink leaders were ruthless or competent either :P
they had nothing on Sisko. I wonder why the Dominion didn't try harder to kill him
"Entire fleet, target USS Defiant."
Seconds later, DS9 TV series ends.
They tried to knock out Sisko as well. Along with the Klingons and some Romulans. But the plot was foiled. It wasn't for a complete lack of effort.
But let's face it. Continuity writing in ST is supremely poor. Much of the adventure may be neat in and of themselves, but make no sense in the bigger picture (Mirror universe being the worst offender.). Yes there should have been more attempts on getting at Sisko, but how does the entire Cardassian Special Forces get wiped out in one swoop? Why would there be no chain of command to pick up the pieces?
Bad writing......that's how. A complete lack of understanding of anything military by 90% of those involved with writing for ST (which continues today).
Yeah, but not the war. Sisko's really unique and crucial contribution to the Dominion War was that he stopped a Dominion Fleet from passing the wormhole. But how unique was it? Would a different leader have blown up the wormhole*? (Which is what the Holodeck simulations the Founders did was an option that would likely be considered by members of Starfleet - unknown is if t his would really have worked.) Or would the death of Sisko cause the wormhole to be closed for good because the Prophets would protect themselves and isolate themselves from the aggression inherent to our linear beings?
And before this Wormhole incident happened- would Sisko have even been seen as that relevant (or dangerous/powerful) to the Dominion in the first place?
There are a lot of unknowns - for us as well as for any Dominion decision maker.
It also overall seems as if the Founders are not really all that focused on assassination attempts. They use their infiltration abilities to gather information and to destabilize. They could have used Martok to assassinate Gowron. But they used him instead to lead Gowron into a war with the Cardassians that would also destroy the Klingon/Federation alliance.
The bombing on the Federation conference triggered an attempted coup by a Starfleet Admiral due to the feeling of paranoia this gave to everyone. Any Starfleet officers could have stopped him eventually (if it wasn't Sisko, you can bet at least someone like Picard would get involved eventually and put an end to it). Who that would be was not neccessarily predictable.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Founders have enough experience with other interstellar groups and unions that they learned that individuals are not that important, and it's more important to disable or abuse the mechanism by which these groups function.
*) or the Bajoran system?