Cardassians Playable Race?

welfarebob · November 2015

Will there ever be a Cardassian or a Bajoran career in future expansions? I'd love to play as a Carddy!

peterconnorfirst · November 2015

I made a Bajoran toon 3 years ago, it should be available still. For Cardi use the alien creator. Should work KDF/FED.
There has been some discussion about a playable cradassian faction. Taken the past success of the kdf as full- as well as the romulan semi-faction into account I would not place my hopes too high.

I think peeps have a habit of seeking something new however for 90% of the community only the federation full-faction seems to be the main playing ground. Cryptic knows that and is probably unlikely to cater to the 2% of its customers wanting faction X before going back to their fed mains 2 months later.

Instead of making more factions I would just release more star trek races for a zen price as it has been done with joined trill or fed sided Klingons for example.

drkfrontiers · November 2015

peterconnorfirst wrote: »

I made a Bajoran toon 3 years ago, it should be available still. For Cardi use the alien creator. Should work KDF/FED.
There has been some discussion about a playable cradassian faction. Taken the past success of the kdf as full- as well as the romulan semi-faction into account I would not place my hopes too high.

I think peeps have a habit of seeking something new however for 90% of the community only the federation full-faction seems to be the main playing ground. Cryptic knows that and is probably unlikely to cater to the 2% of its customers wanting faction X before going back to their fed mains 2 months later.

Instead of making more factions I would just release more star trek races for a zen price as it has been done with joined trill or fed sided Klingons for example.

Well according the Season 5 infographic, the "small" number of customers playing Romulan and Klingon are close on a million players ie. p.o.t.e.n.t.i.a.l customers.

Markets don't just spring from thin air. They are nurtured, and developed over time and yes, require investment and risk. You know what I would like to see? Here's my challenge to Cryptic. Don't design ANYTHING for the KDF or the Romulans UNTIL you have attained a benchmark of profitability. Use the donation concept. Come up with a design, ask people to cloud fund the concept. Once the target amount is reached, development start. Community like to get around ideas like that and see what happens. Just look at the insane amounts of money people are throwing at Star Citizen and beyond. If the target is not met, people that have "pre-purchased" the item are refunded an equivalent amount in Zen, they can use towards something else. EVERYONE walks away a winner.

Sure the Fed is over two million, but its still kind of surprising that they regard such a large portion of a market as not as profitable.

By their own admission the KDF does not sell well. After nearly 7 years, I see it as a bit of a self-fulfilling prophesy when they release things only a small portion of people are going to want, while completely ignoring the community on things everyone would buy.

How long has the KDF faction requested decent T6 Hegh'ta? I get that the KDF is not science heavy, but what about their allies? The Nausicaan, Gorn, etc? Why not a T6 Dreadnought BOP design for the era the game is in? (Surely by now the Klingon's would have extrapolated the BOP design into larger warships? Not with a battlecloak or universal, but something mighty like a hybrid BOP/ Raptor.) How many iterations of the battlecruiser do we need?

peterconnorfirst · November 2015

drkfrontiers wrote: »

peterconnorfirst wrote: »

I made a Bajoran toon 3 years ago, it should be available still. For Cardi use the alien creator. Should work KDF/FED.
There has been some discussion about a playable cradassian faction. Taken the past success of the kdf as full- as well as the romulan semi-faction into account I would not place my hopes too high.

I think peeps have a habit of seeking something new however for 90% of the community only the federation full-faction seems to be the main playing ground. Cryptic knows that and is probably unlikely to cater to the 2% of its customers wanting faction X before going back to their fed mains 2 months later.

Instead of making more factions I would just release more star trek races for a zen price as it has been done with joined trill or fed sided Klingons for example.

Well according the Season 5 infographic, the "small" number of customers playing Romulan and Klingon are close on a million players ie. p.o.t.e.n.t.i.a.l customers.

Markets don't just spring from thin air. They are nurtured, and developed over time and yes, require investment and risk. You know what I would like to see? Here's my challenge to Cryptic. Don't design ANYTHING for the KDF or the Romulans UNTIL you have attained a benchmark of profitability. Use the donation concept. Come up with a design, ask people to cloud fund the concept. Once the target amount is reached, development start. Community like to get around ideas like that and see what happens. Just look at the insane amounts of money people are throwing at Star Citizen and beyond. If the target is not met, people that have "pre-purchased" the item are refunded an equivalent amount in Zen, they can use towards something else. EVERYONE walks away a winner.

Sure the Fed is over two million, but its still kind of surprising that they regard such a large portion of a market as not as profitable.

By their own admission the KDF does not sell well. After nearly 7 years, I see it as a bit of a self-fulfilling prophesy when they release things only a small portion of people are going to want, while completely ignoring the community on things everyone would buy.

How long has the KDF faction requested decent T6 Hegh'ta? I get that the KDF is not science heavy, but what about their allies? The Nausicaan, Gorn, etc? Why not a T6 Dreadnought BOP design for the era the game is in? (Surely by now the Klingon's would have extrapolated the BOP design into larger warships? Not with a battlecloak or universal, but something mighty like a hybrid BOP/ Raptor.) How many iterations of the battlecruiser do we need?

e.g Star Trek Into Darkness

I’m fully with you on that one and I’m aware of the situation.

I also think that KDF/ROM should be fully developed first before starting from scratch with another faction. Problem is just that I don’t see that happen either.

It’s totally unfair towards those who like and enjoy that faction but it’s just the way it is in this game.

drkfrontiers · November 2015

And I would sell my soul to the Diablo to play as Cardassian

ikonn · November 2015

I'd like to play a Cardassian toon. So long as we get their costume options. I currently gave 2 Cardassian "Aliens" and I do enjoy playing them (1 Fed Alien & 1 Rom/KDF Alien). I can't specify if they are illegal or not though...

gulberat · November 2015

I would think Cardassians are most feasible as an unlockable race for the Federation. The Jem'Hadar could be issued at the same time for the KDF.

whitewhale80 · November 2015

They were never anything other then a minor race and should only be supported as such. A single nebula kerb-stomped it's was through their space before its captain changed his mind.

sovereign47 · November 2015

Yes, I definitely support idea of a playable Cardassian faction! And Dominion too. I've been waiting for it from before this game was even released, so I hope my wish will be fulfilled in the near future.

bunansa · November 2015

whitewhale80 wrote: »

They were never anything other then a minor race and should only be supported as such. A single nebula kerb-stomped it's was through their space before its captain changed his mind.

What are you talking about? Cardassians have had a much larger role in the events of the alpha quadrant then Neelix had in the kitchen...

I support Cardassians, Jem'Hadar and Vorta at the very least as playable species for both kdf/fed unlocks from the C-Store. I doubt we could get much more then that, and wonder why we haven't had that yet.

kjwashington · November 2015

There's a chance that it might be in the next expansion. Many of the devs have said before that they would like to do it. (That's why you don't see any more Cardassian ships.)

gulberat · November 2015

whitewhale80 wrote: »

They were never anything other then a minor race and should only be supported as such. A single nebula kerb-stomped it's was through their space before its captain changed his mind.

While technologically not the match of the Federation or Romulans--except in the biotech area, where they somewhat exceeded the rest of the AQ powers--there appear to have been multiple models of the Galor class (not unprecedented IRL...see the C-130 for an example of how this might have occurred). My guess, to explain the discrepancy in performance between the Galors seen in that episode and those seen later in the Dominion War, that seemed more capable of holding their own, is that Maxwell identified a big exploit in the early models (not to mention how to identify these early-model Galors) and was able to target something specific or use some other specific tactic to mow through them THAT fast.

Out-of-universe I'm sure it was just a matter of the writers figuring out that there's no drama in a foe that isn't credible (unlike TNG that used to intentionally set up weak foes so Picard could defeat them by the power of hot air), but in-universe I think that the "multiple models of Galor" explanation suffices. (Oh...and here is a link to the IRL plane I'm using as an example...though note if you want to read about the current C-130, the J model, you'll have to follow the link on the top of the article.)

lianthelia · November 2015

bunansa wrote: »

whitewhale80 wrote: »

They were never anything other then a minor race and should only be supported as such. A single nebula kerb-stomped it's was through their space before its captain changed his mind.

What are you talking about? Cardassians have had a much larger role in the events of the alpha quadrant then Neelix had in the kitchen...

I support Cardassians, Jem'Hadar and Vorta at the very least as playable species for both kdf/fed unlocks from the C-Store. I doubt we could get much more then that, and wonder why we haven't had that yet.

Like kj said, the devs have showed some remorse for releasing the Galor and haven't released any of their other ships because a Cardassian faction isn't off the table.

If we expand into the Gamma Quadrant one day it could make sense for having them as a faction.

flash525 · November 2015

I'm in agreement with the notion that people should give up on seeing a Cardassian Faction, and support the concept that could/should be a c-store bundle unlock for Cardassian characters within existing factions. A bundle including your character (obviously) a couple of random Boffs, some costumes and some unique ships would be more than welcome, and what's more, they'd be purchased.

I fear though that Cryptic are keeping them for when they need a large cash cow, and then they'll do the faction, but by then too many people will have invested too much in their other characters to care.

sorceror01 · November 2015

flash525 wrote: »

I fear though that Cryptic are keeping them for when they need a large cash cow, and then they'll do the faction, but by then too many people will have invested too much in their other characters to care.

That is highly doubtful.

While it is true for a number of people, I estimate that it'd overall still be a small number. Of them, I'm sure there'd be among them those that would gladly reroll and rebuild a true Cardassian character if a new faction was introduced.

Furthermore, if a new faction were to be introduced, there'd more than likely be those among the existing three that would roll a Cardassian character simply to do something new. Plenty of people did so when the Romulans were introduced.
And, there'd more than likely be new players coming into the game at around that time that could potentially simply start as a Cardassian, ignoring the other three factions completely. Again, there are players who came into the game during/after LoR launched who have never touched the Federation or Klingon sides of the game and simply stuck to Romulan content.

Instead of encouraging people to give up on the idea, why not instead just play into it? Even the developers are straddling the fence on this issue, and are more than likely simply trying to work out the logistics and feasibility of it all.

feordilagorge · November 2015

I made a Cardassian using an alien. Looked pretty good. Her name was Kim Cardassian

ktonof1aq · November 2015

Another playable race is a ridiculous request until such time as the stories and/or play changes to reflect whatever race you select. Right now you can play a Klingon and you might just as well be Barney the Dinosaur. You can play so many different races that play exactly the same.

No, let Cryptic focus on playable content, showing us places in game we’ve never seen before, and taking us to exotic locals where we truly can feel like we’ve been where no one has been before.

Keep up the good work, Cryptic!

flash525 · November 2015

sorceror01 wrote: »

Furthermore, if a new faction were to be introduced, there'd more than likely be those among the existing three that would roll a Cardassian character simply to do something new. Plenty of people did so when the Romulans were introduced.

But there wasn't the additional level extension and the whole specialization system in place then. That's changed the game dramatically; it's no longer an alt friendly system.

sorceror01 wrote: »

And, there'd more than likely be new players coming into the game at around that time that could potentially simply start as a Cardassian, ignoring the other three factions completely. Again, there are players who came into the game during/after LoR launched who have never touched the Federation or Klingon sides of the game and simply stuck to Romulan content.

That's a bold statement. Happen to have figures, or is this merely by conversations in game?

sorceror01 wrote: »

Instead of encouraging people to give up on the idea, why not instead just play into it? Even the developers are straddling the fence on this issue, and are more than likely simply trying to work out the logistics and feasibility of it all.

I'm not convinced of this. People have been asking for Cardassians for a long time, and topics always come up about them, and yet, nothing. All we've got is a revamped short story about the Cardassian Struggle; four new missions in place of what, 15 old ones? If anything, Cryptic have gone backwards here.

I would love a Cardassian faction, more than I ever wanted a Romulan one, but Cryptic seemingly aren't capable of looking after their Republic (and sometimes, KDF) players, so what makes anyone think that a Cardassian faction wouldn't meet the same daunting fate? Too much is going on within the game already, for them to suddenly (or slowly) add a new faction that can Incorporated all that has happened, and link it in with existing content.... I'm not seeing it.

whitewhale80 · November 2015

bunansa wrote: »

They were never anything other then a minor race and should only be supported as such. A single nebula kerb-stomped it's was through their space before its captain changed his mind.

The TNG episode 'The wounded', a single Nebula is able to travel into Cardy space and reduce shipping to crunchy snacks.

Then there is DS9's 'Defiant', where the defiant on it's own starts turning Cardy systems into debris clouds.

In tech and power terms the fed's could muller the Cardassians but chose not to as it was easier to turn over a few colony worlds in the hope of peace, eventually we saw the Klingon empire do what the fed's should have done and start hammering them back to their dull planet. Only the addition of the dominion elevated them and even then they went from 'perpetual space losers' to 'hen-pecked perpetual space losers'.

There are two neglected factions and a host of gameplay issues to sort out first and if players are that desperate to play as a species of failures then there are now Talaxians as a playable race.

thunderfoot · November 2015

Cryptic would probably do the same thing with the Cardassians as they did with the Romulans. The ingame faction would not be as Cardassians are portrayed in TNG and DS9. It would be similar to the Republic. And then there would be large amounts of complaining here about how "My playable Cardie can't be Obsidan Order! Waaah!"

Anyways how powerful can the Cardassians be if they got played for patsies by the Feds, then the Maquis, then the Bajorans, then the Dominion? Come to think of it, playing them as a nearly nonfunctional client state of whatever power is currently available might be true to the series after all.

flash525 · November 2015

thunderfoot006 wrote: »

Anyways how powerful can the Cardassians be if they got played for patsies by the Feds, then the Maquis, then the Bajorans, then the Dominion? Come to think of it, playing them as a nearly nonfunctional client state of whatever power is currently available might be true to the series after all.

Probably a bad comparison, but look how small ISIS is, and yet look at the damage that can be done by them. Look back to WW2, Germany was but one country, that nearly managed to take over a good portion of the world.

They lost to the Federation in their border skirmishes (the Cardassians, not Germany), and that probably took a lot out of an already drained empire. I wouldn't say the Maquis were a threat to Cardassia, they were Somali Pirates (by comparison). The Marquis were never capable of taking on the Cardassian Union in a full frontal assault. The Dominion was the Cardassians' own doing, if Sisko hadn't mined the wormhole and put the Dominion on the backfoot, the results of the war (and the alliance between the Cardassian and Dominion) would have been a different thing entirely. Dukat would have likely stuck around, and thus ties with the Dominion wouldn't have faltered as much as they did.

Yes, the Cardassians needed the Dominion to become a power, but then if the Cardassians were that weak, the Federation would have been able to wipe the floor with them at earlier engagements, and they didn't.

planetearth2371 · November 2015

I hope its the true way, cardassians are nothing without their cruel arrogant expansionist cold brutal ways, but with a smile, and with good manners, in ds9, I loved the ship interiors and the computer screen designs, and with the red lighting made it look more better, in star trek online there needs to be big improvement on that, but it will happen if they make a 4th playable faction, they made good interiors for the romulan faction, the cardassians are the most intresting race of all, when you seen charactors like dukat, garak, damar, Tain, and Aamin Marritza, and gul madred, it made this race of people more interesting to watch and think about how there society lived and what cultures did they have.

welfarebob · November 2015

How do you make a Bajoran?

lianthelia · November 2015

flash525 wrote: »

sorceror01 wrote: »

Furthermore, if a new faction were to be introduced, there'd more than likely be those among the existing three that would roll a Cardassian character simply to do something new. Plenty of people did so when the Romulans were introduced.

But there wasn't the additional level extension and the whole specialization system in place then. That's changed the game dramatically; it's no longer an alt friendly system.

sorceror01 wrote: »

And, there'd more than likely be new players coming into the game at around that time that could potentially simply start as a Cardassian, ignoring the other three factions completely. Again, there are players who came into the game during/after LoR launched who have never touched the Federation or Klingon sides of the game and simply stuck to Romulan content.

That's a bold statement. Happen to have figures, or is this merely by conversations in game?

sorceror01 wrote: »

Instead of encouraging people to give up on the idea, why not instead just play into it? Even the developers are straddling the fence on this issue, and are more than likely simply trying to work out the logistics and feasibility of it all.

I'm not convinced of this. People have been asking for Cardassians for a long time, and topics always come up about them, and yet, nothing. All we've got is a revamped short story about the Cardassian Struggle; four new missions in place of what, 15 old ones? If anything, Cryptic have gone backwards here.

I would love a Cardassian faction, more than I ever wanted a Romulan one, but Cryptic seemingly aren't capable of looking after their Republic (and sometimes, KDF) players, so what makes anyone think that a Cardassian faction wouldn't meet the same daunting fate? Too much is going on within the game already, for them to suddenly (or slowly) add a new faction that can Incorporated all that has happened, and link it in with existing content.... I'm not seeing it.

You don't seem to want a faction much...you seem to want to playable race, but I've seen you numerous times go on how you want them as a playable race and don't really care about the faction.

With the Admiralty system it has made leveling spec points a breeze...and it's not like the need to make Cardassians their whole unique story to 60...I see no reason why they wouldn't fit in a similar spot just like the Republic.

bjorg87 wrote: »

How do you make a Bajoran?

You go and create one?

vegeta50024 · November 2015

bjorg87 wrote: »

How do you make a Bajoran?

Bajorans are a species you can select to play as in Starfleet.

gulberat · November 2015

flash525 wrote: »

Yes, the Cardassians needed the Dominion to become a power, but then if the Cardassians were that weak, the Federation would have been able to wipe the floor with them at earlier engagements, and they didn't.

On top of that, once the Federation was weakened by the Borg, it was actually enough to force the Feds to negotiate with the Cardassians to end the Border Wars...and to do so on horrible terms that screwed over a lot of Fed citizens. That's the really mindblowing thing that should warn one that while the Cardassians are not on the same level as the Romulans, Federation or even the Klingon Empire, there IS more to them than the one incident in "The Wounded." (Which I may well have explained up thread.)

rezking · November 2015

lianthelia wrote: »

Like kj said, the devs have showed some remorse for releasing the Galor and haven't released any of their other ships because a Cardassian faction isn't off the table.

If we expand into the Gamma Quadrant one day it could make sense for having them as a faction.

By that logic, the Borg Faction will at long last become playable.
D'Stahl even confirmed they were at the very least being considered (on some podcast)...that was a while ago.
They have a presence in all Faction story arcs.
The infrastructure is there.
I'm shocked it still hasn't happened.

hawku001x · November 2015

I'd sell my hands for a Cardie faction. Wait. I take that back.

Though, a new faction would need a few races, like Jem'Hadar, Vorta, Bajorans, which would take some slick writing to make them make sense in-universe (since Bajorans joined the Federation). I'm in, though.

peterconnorfirst · November 2015

bjorg87 wrote: »

How do you make a Bajoran?

http://sto.gamepedia.com/Bajoran

U get militia uniforms from zen store. Rifle, Phaser and Vedek robe from DS9 zen store bundle. Got all the stuff for my Bajoran toon.

Even though I would not want to make a Cardassian toon I think similar options for that race as part of the other factions would be a cool addition to game.

tmassx · November 2015

Cardassian faction would be wonderful , but it probably can not be expected just because they are probably fails to gross and they would be difficult to create. But some one bundle Cardassian ship + unlock + one or two episode how a Cardassian get into Starfleet or the KDF would be nice. In addition Cardassia planet, this iconic place, is still missing as visitable place.

flash525 · November 2015

lianthelia wrote: »

You don't seem to want a faction much...you seem to want to playable race, but I've seen you numerous times go on how you want them as a playable race and don't really care about the faction.

Either you've just mistyped that, or you're repeating yourself..?

To clarify though; I would like a Cardassian faction, if Cryptic could be trusted to do them justice. The Republic has not been given that justice, and so I don't believe a Cardassian faction would either. It is on those grounds that I would rather them just release a playable Cardassian within the existing factions, than an entirely new faction.

lianthelia wrote: »

With the Admiralty system it has made leveling spec points a breeze...and it's not like the need to make Cardassians their whole unique story to 60...I see no reason why they wouldn't fit in a similar spot just like the Republic.

It's not just that though, it's all the story content which, thus far, hasn't mentioned any Cardassian Military. If there is a Cardassian faction, then they'd have a stronger presence, and one would imagine them to be slightly less powerful than D'Tan and his Republic (by comparison). The catch here though, is if Cryptic were to do that, they'd have to make the Cardassian campaign set in 2411/2412, after all of the current events, and that'll leave all the other factions behind. I shouldn't need to tell you how unhappy many of the playerbase (especially FED-only fanboys) would be about that.

tmassx wrote: »

It is my hope that in a parallel universe somewhere, where the events of today, and the events of Star Trek coexist, one Cardassian has shot the other Kardashian ... several times.

Cardassians Playable Race?

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