I just thought about it, why not do it on a twitch tv thing, they could post about it all week and then trendy or someone else could pop in game and announce like a 1 hour warning for it in the red alert chat,
Could do the Q&A that way, and we even get to see the devs, I know a lot of other companies are going this route.
I don't think it would be too hard to set up.
Yes, wouldnt it be nice if that happened on the official forum that the game owns. Alot of interested people are left out and only learn after its done.
If you want to be on the forefront of critical news and some giveaways go join reddit, twitter, facebook....
Fudge the forums.
Doing something like that on the forums would be a nightmare of spam and troll posts. Reddit is perfect for it because the users can skip the junk posted by others.
Is that attitude the cause or the effect? Something to think about.
Rivalry between reddit and STO aside, in my opinion it reflects poorly on the developer to do these interactions outside their own forum.
Edit: quoted wrong post so corrected the quote.
These are the official forum, but not everyone is going there. The STO community is larger than these forums, and there are also people that might not be part of the STO community yet, and won't look in the forums - but they might stumble on it on reddit due to other stuff they follow.
Cryptic doing "community" events outside the forums is a way to reach out to more of the community and to expand the community than just using the forums. And pretty much every time something like this happens, it will also be referred to in the forums, so you will probably never actually miss anything.
Now, you can feel free to think that the forums are special and anyone outside it is not worth being talked to, but I think Cryptic will never agree with you.
And AMAs really seem a Reddit thing. Probably because of the special thread structure they have there, where you can spawn basically entirely threads from individual posts. So the Question and the Answer will be always immediately next to each other, an a follow-up discussion can happen there, but if you're ont interested, you can just go to the next question. This format has its advantages for the AMA thingies, but I find it terrible for other types of forum conversations.
The "promoting on other communities" angle could have flown IF the development team ever bothered to do similar direct interactions with the community HERE as well. However, the official forum frequently seems to be the last place where any interaction takes place.
Even a simple forum tool such as the development tracker has not been added/fixed yet.
Overall it is a matter of priorities and i feel the development team prioritizes other forums/media over their own forum which IMO reflects poorly on them.
If they do it on the forums, they are likely to only reach people on the forums. If they do it on reddit, they are likely to reach people on reddit, and the forums, because people on the forums will report here.
I agree however that we really need that frigging Dev Tracker. It was a great loss of the new forums. Why even bother with new forum software if one of the most useful features is simply missing.
I believe the phrase "wishful thinking" applies.
Post on reddit and it will reach the official forum as well while posting on the official forum will not reach reddit? Are you serious?
Not to mention that if they were really trying to be inclusive here, they would at least mention here on the forums that there was an AMA in the works on reddit, instead of us finding out after the fact. Personally I absolutely loathe the formatting on reddit, and will never check it unless I have a specific reason to do so. I'm sure I'm not the only one that doesn't check it either.
And even if there were an announcement somewhere on the forums about it, its hard to tell with the lack of a dev tracker.
The AMA's have the benefit of being a a level playing field with a generally positive audience. t's not saying that the forums couldn't support the Q&A, but lets be honest - it's not the nicest place to openly discuss issues.
And not to make too fine a distinction here - Salami has a limited amount of time, and didn't answer every question. I believe if you want to engage your community, a favorable environment is the best choice
I didn't read it all but from what I've read it looks okay...the only really disappointing thing I read is that there are no plans to make the rare event items account bound...so much stuff delta recruits and newer alts are missing on
I was hoping that this would mean those events would come around again to give any of our alts a chance to get the rare item. I really wish we had a Q and A like we used to as well in these forums.
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The AMA's have the benefit of being a a level playing field with a generally positive audience.
I would not call them "positive", I would call then something else entirely.
I believe if you want to engage your community, a favorable environment is the best choice
Yes, "positive audience", "favorable environment" ... you know what? that is TOXIC to the game because you are simply saying that in exchange for asking no questions beyond how awesome they are and how everything is great we cannot make any criticism or hard questions that makes then "uncomfortable", this is pretty much what caused Delta Rising when people pointed out the flaws and how their reaction at best could be called "knee-jerked".
I am not a ostrich, I dont have anything against our current Executive Producer (on the contrary, I do think the game improved after he taken charge) but I certainly have issue with the game and I am not going to remain silent and see design decisions being based based on poisoned council of certain circles, THAT lead to Delta Rising ...
I prefer to address problems that ego stroking on what does work, that doesnt need attention ... it works, the problems need to be pointed out to be corrected, engaging on a endless circlejerk like some sub-reddits do is the worst thing you can do to the game.
I agree with @f2pdrakon here. But would you expect a different response from the "media corps"? They are basically a voluntary PR department
EDIT: Please note, the above statement is a borderline polemic unfair overexaggeration.
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^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
On the subject of the environment here, has anyone noticed a distinct lack of moderators lately?
BlueGeek and Askrai (sp?) seen to be missing in action and if there is any other moderation then they're nearly invisible.
Trendy's doing her best and taco is around to make us hungry, but two people from the same time zone for a forum this size could be considered understaffed.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
On the subject of the environment here, has anyone noticed a distinct lack of moderators lately?
BlueGeek and Askrai (sp?) seen to be missing in action and if there is any other moderation then they're nearly invisible.
Trendy's doing her best and taco is around to make us hungry, but two people from the same time zone for a forum this size could be considered understaffed.
Bluegeek isn't a mod now but still posts as a normie, Askrai...I'm sure I've seen about but not sure if they quit modding and are now normies too
On the subject of the environment here, has anyone noticed a distinct lack of moderators lately?
BlueGeek and Askrai (sp?) seen to be missing in action and if there is any other moderation then they're nearly invisible.
Trendy's doing her best and taco is around to make us hungry, but two people from the same time zone for a forum this size could be considered understaffed.
Askray should be around but bluegeek isn't a mod any more for quite some time. jodarkrider took over for him as far as I know and she's active and around, for example running the screenshot contests. But the climate has changed, lately quite a lot of users with some recognition have been banned. Seems like they don't "joke around" any more.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
No one asked about the 2410 Mirror Uniforms for players? That makes me sad.
Probably because every time it comes up on the STO forums some people come out and complain about how "perverted" and "skimpy" the outfit is and arguments happen. Strangely the 2 or so threads requesting the outfit be made available didn't seem to be moderated at all: no comments edited, nobody banned, and the threads never closed. The threads just kinda died out.
On the subject of the environment here, has anyone noticed a distinct lack of moderators lately?
BlueGeek and Askrai (sp?) seen to be missing in action and if there is any other moderation then they're nearly invisible.
Trendy's doing her best and taco is around to make us hungry, but two people from the same time zone for a forum this size could be considered understaffed.
Bluegeek resigned as a moderator a few months ago due to getting himself into trouble by posting his opinions about a certain subject (I'm not going to explain it).
The active moderators I know of are Askray, Midnightshadow (or something similar), and some new moderator we got not too long ago.
The new moderator hasn't posted much since complaining in a thread that was a request for the new mirror uniforms to be made available to us (the new moderator was one of the people complaining about how skimpy the outfits are and kinda ranted about it).
No idea what's going on. Ever since the forums moved over to this vanilla platform, trendy has been doing the moderation mostly on her own. It's possible the volunteer mods are having technical difficulties with seeing reports and/or moderating due to the forums going wonky every time we turn around. Or perhaps Trendy just told them not to do anything for the time being. It does seem strange that instead of having the volunteer mods do what they volunteered to do, she gave another dev mod permissions (tacofangs).
This could be why they won't post AMAs and stuff on the STO forums. Because on Reddit they can moderate it easier. To be honest, flames arise on the STO forums quite often, and it's almost a daily thing where somebody gets themselves banned for going on some crazy rant about stuff. Even when we had volunteer moderators actively moderating on a regular basis, people still acted stupid here.
Outside the STO forums people are more civilized and know not to post something stupid that would get them into trouble. Over here.......people don't really seem to care.
Well I'm disappointed about NWS.
Wonder what that means for Breach and Mine Trap ?
They were up for review as well... their futures don't look to promising.
Oh well at least @reyan01 got a glimmer of hope for a Nova.
I'd be interested myself in a T6 Nova.
It's good that there's still hope for Cardassian faction. I just wonder when they might release it actually. My best guess is next year, but we'll see about it.
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I agree with @f2pdrakon here. But would you expect a different response from the "media corps"? They are basically a voluntary PR department
No. For instance, Oden has made multiple videos that are very critical of STO. Oden was also one of the first people I bumped into the Media Corps because frankly he deserves it.
No. For instance, Oden has made multiple videos that are very critical of STO. Oden was also one of the first people I bumped into the Media Corps because frankly he deserves it.
Fair enough, I'll mark my previous comment as borderline polemic unfair overexaggeration. Still, valid points have been raised and the statement I believe if you want to engage your community, a favorable environment is the best choice from a semi-official position is better not taken without critique in this context. When only "favourable" questions are to be taken, a "AMA" is the wrong platform to use.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Functional visibility and different communication venue.
1) Functional Visibility
The way reddit fosters AMAs due to the single page structure and reply stratification. With our forums, we have a limited amount of posts per page, and the questions/answers wouldn't be as easily linked. The forums don't have the structure to do a mass question draw/reply feature like reddit can, frankly.
2) Different Communication Venue
We regularly try to hit multiple communication venues. This includes our forums, Reddit, Twitter, and Facebook. The least 2-way conversations that happen amongst all of them? Facebook actually. That's a one-way information hub rather than a reply-structure like reddit and the forums.
On this note, I hear a lot of concerns that the devs don't forums, devs only reddits, no listen to forums, etc. etc. They read the forums a LOT more than you think. In fact, our of all my social media crawls, the forums constitute about 60% of the time I allocate to doing social crawls. 20% after that goes to Reddit. 15% Twitter. 5% Facebook. Everyone thinks that the forums don't have an impact? Hell no. Out of all the votes for the Design Your Ship contest, the forums were on average +70% of the total votes.
When only "favourable" questions are to be taken, a "AMA" is the wrong platform to use.
I would argue otherwise, considering he touched on questions such as PVP, potentially lowering ship prices, fixing weapon bugs, account-wide unlocks for MI, exploration, veteran rewards, NWS, gateway, etc.
With 300+ comments in the thread by the time it was done, an hour of allotted response time, and the degree of questions being asked (specifically people asking sometimes 5 questions per post), I'd say he touched on a lot of hot-topic points.
If anything, I'm rallying for more question/answer time.
I prefer to address problems that ego stroking on what does work, that doesnt need attention ... it works, the problems need to be pointed out to be corrected, engaging on a endless circlejerk like some sub-reddits do is the worst thing you can do to the game.
On the other hand, you need to keep in mind that the worst thing is mindless ranting. While it does technically count as criticism, it has no productive value and makes the devs not want to read what you say.
(...)
If anything, I'm rallying for more question/answer time.
I can agree with that
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I had trouble reading the Reddit, to be honest...the format when I clicked on the link wasn't anywhere near as immediately intuitive to me. All I got was a list of answers and had to click individually on each question. If someone put it into a readable format, then I might actually go through the whole thing.
Also @monkeybone13, the new mod is jodarkrider, and I've seen her active in other places as well as the Art forum.
I would like to know the answer to that question about whether the Flag Post function is working for mods to actually be able to view the reports after someone flags a post though. That was a big technical issue when Vanilla forums first rolled out and I do wonder if that's still an outstanding problem or if it's been fixed.
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Functional visibility and different communication venue.
1) Functional Visibility
The way reddit fosters AMAs due to the single page structure and reply stratification. With our forums, we have a limited amount of posts per page, and the questions/answers wouldn't be as easily linked. The forums don't have the structure to do a mass question draw/reply feature like reddit can, frankly.
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Since the structure of STO forum and reddit is different i would split an AMA into two topic: Questions in one (open to players) and Q+A combination in a clean topic only accessible by staff.
That layout would have the advantage of having a clear overview of the questions and answers.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
You can't expect them not to be fake and overhype, oversell their product, that's just normal business.
I just feel sometime before Delta Rising and up until now, player concerns and complaints are ignored completely.
The dead queues is the perfect example, modifers for crafting they promised, removing exploration, nerfing exp the list goes on and on.
I have tons of different bugs going on for me in-game, one ship has no texture, items I can't claim I mean we could go on all day, but I have no faith in them caring even remotely.
And, I feel depending on how blue eyed you are, you can't assume people are trustworthy per default - you can't assume they aren't either - but at the very least there has to be room for a conversation about the issues going on.
You can't expect them not to be fake and overhype, oversell their product, that's just normal business.
I just feel sometime before Delta Rising and up until now, player concerns and complaints are ignored completely.
The dead queues is the perfect example, modifers for crafting they promised, removing exploration, nerfing exp the list goes on and on.
I have tons of different bugs going on for me in-game, one ship has no texture, items I can't claim I mean we could go on all day, but I have no faith in them caring even remotely.
And, I feel depending on how blue eyed you are, you can't assume people are trustworthy per default - you can't assume they aren't either - but at the very least there has to be room for a conversation about the issues going on.
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I banned you. That doesn't mean you should make alt accounts!
Yes, the Bluegeek incident, he was persecuted to death for having an opinion by several people who disagreed with.
My personal opinions aside i found it to be a disgusting violation of freedom of speech but that's a topic for another time.
Free speech means the GOVERNMENT doesn't arrest you for speaking out against them. It does NOT mean that you are immune to SOCIAL consequences for saying things that other people don't like. Here is a REALLY simple example:
If you work at a restaurant, and you curse out a customer, you will probably get fired. But the government won't arrest you(unless you made actual threats). You have "free speech", but you still have to face the social consequences of using it.
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Could do the Q&A that way, and we even get to see the devs, I know a lot of other companies are going this route.
I don't think it would be too hard to set up.
Only if the Cardis are made a full faction. If they make them a half faction like the Roms it would be fairish.
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Yep, and that is almost certainly what the Cardis will be(a "fraction").
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Not to mention that if they were really trying to be inclusive here, they would at least mention here on the forums that there was an AMA in the works on reddit, instead of us finding out after the fact. Personally I absolutely loathe the formatting on reddit, and will never check it unless I have a specific reason to do so. I'm sure I'm not the only one that doesn't check it either.
And even if there were an announcement somewhere on the forums about it, its hard to tell with the lack of a dev tracker.
And not to make too fine a distinction here - Salami has a limited amount of time, and didn't answer every question. I believe if you want to engage your community, a favorable environment is the best choice
I was hoping that this would mean those events would come around again to give any of our alts a chance to get the rare item. I really wish we had a Q and A like we used to as well in these forums.
I agree with @f2pdrakon here. But would you expect a different response from the "media corps"? They are basically a voluntary PR department
EDIT: Please note, the above statement is a borderline polemic unfair overexaggeration.
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BlueGeek and Askrai (sp?) seen to be missing in action and if there is any other moderation then they're nearly invisible.
Trendy's doing her best and taco is around to make us hungry, but two people from the same time zone for a forum this size could be considered understaffed.
Bluegeek isn't a mod now but still posts as a normie, Askrai...I'm sure I've seen about but not sure if they quit modding and are now normies too
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Askray should be around but bluegeek isn't a mod any more for quite some time. jodarkrider took over for him as far as I know and she's active and around, for example running the screenshot contests. But the climate has changed, lately quite a lot of users with some recognition have been banned. Seems like they don't "joke around" any more.
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Probably because every time it comes up on the STO forums some people come out and complain about how "perverted" and "skimpy" the outfit is and arguments happen. Strangely the 2 or so threads requesting the outfit be made available didn't seem to be moderated at all: no comments edited, nobody banned, and the threads never closed. The threads just kinda died out.
Bluegeek resigned as a moderator a few months ago due to getting himself into trouble by posting his opinions about a certain subject (I'm not going to explain it).
The active moderators I know of are Askray, Midnightshadow (or something similar), and some new moderator we got not too long ago.
The new moderator hasn't posted much since complaining in a thread that was a request for the new mirror uniforms to be made available to us (the new moderator was one of the people complaining about how skimpy the outfits are and kinda ranted about it).
No idea what's going on. Ever since the forums moved over to this vanilla platform, trendy has been doing the moderation mostly on her own. It's possible the volunteer mods are having technical difficulties with seeing reports and/or moderating due to the forums going wonky every time we turn around. Or perhaps Trendy just told them not to do anything for the time being. It does seem strange that instead of having the volunteer mods do what they volunteered to do, she gave another dev mod permissions (tacofangs).
This could be why they won't post AMAs and stuff on the STO forums. Because on Reddit they can moderate it easier. To be honest, flames arise on the STO forums quite often, and it's almost a daily thing where somebody gets themselves banned for going on some crazy rant about stuff. Even when we had volunteer moderators actively moderating on a regular basis, people still acted stupid here.
Outside the STO forums people are more civilized and know not to post something stupid that would get them into trouble. Over here.......people don't really seem to care.
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Wonder what that means for Breach and Mine Trap ?
They were up for review as well... their futures don't look to promising.
Oh well at least @reyan01 got a glimmer of hope for a Nova.
I'd be interested myself in a T6 Nova.
You have my vote on that one...
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My personal opinions aside i found it to be a disgusting violation of freedom of speech but that's a topic for another time.
Fair enough, I'll mark my previous comment as borderline polemic unfair overexaggeration. Still, valid points have been raised and the statement I believe if you want to engage your community, a favorable environment is the best choice from a semi-official position is better not taken without critique in this context. When only "favourable" questions are to be taken, a "AMA" is the wrong platform to use.
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Functional visibility and different communication venue.
1) Functional Visibility
The way reddit fosters AMAs due to the single page structure and reply stratification. With our forums, we have a limited amount of posts per page, and the questions/answers wouldn't be as easily linked. The forums don't have the structure to do a mass question draw/reply feature like reddit can, frankly.
2) Different Communication Venue
We regularly try to hit multiple communication venues. This includes our forums, Reddit, Twitter, and Facebook. The least 2-way conversations that happen amongst all of them? Facebook actually. That's a one-way information hub rather than a reply-structure like reddit and the forums.
On this note, I hear a lot of concerns that the devs don't forums, devs only reddits, no listen to forums, etc. etc. They read the forums a LOT more than you think. In fact, our of all my social media crawls, the forums constitute about 60% of the time I allocate to doing social crawls. 20% after that goes to Reddit. 15% Twitter. 5% Facebook. Everyone thinks that the forums don't have an impact? Hell no. Out of all the votes for the Design Your Ship contest, the forums were on average +70% of the total votes.
With 300+ comments in the thread by the time it was done, an hour of allotted response time, and the degree of questions being asked (specifically people asking sometimes 5 questions per post), I'd say he touched on a lot of hot-topic points.
If anything, I'm rallying for more question/answer time.
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Also @monkeybone13, the new mod is jodarkrider, and I've seen her active in other places as well as the Art forum.
I would like to know the answer to that question about whether the Flag Post function is working for mods to actually be able to view the reports after someone flags a post though. That was a big technical issue when Vanilla forums first rolled out and I do wonder if that's still an outstanding problem or if it's been fixed.
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Since the structure of STO forum and reddit is different i would split an AMA into two topic: Questions in one (open to players) and Q+A combination in a clean topic only accessible by staff.
That layout would have the advantage of having a clear overview of the questions and answers.
I just feel sometime before Delta Rising and up until now, player concerns and complaints are ignored completely.
The dead queues is the perfect example, modifers for crafting they promised, removing exploration, nerfing exp the list goes on and on.
I have tons of different bugs going on for me in-game, one ship has no texture, items I can't claim I mean we could go on all day, but I have no faith in them caring even remotely.
And, I feel depending on how blue eyed you are, you can't assume people are trustworthy per default - you can't assume they aren't either - but at the very least there has to be room for a conversation about the issues going on.
I banned you. That doesn't mean you should make alt accounts!
Free speech means the GOVERNMENT doesn't arrest you for speaking out against them. It does NOT mean that you are immune to SOCIAL consequences for saying things that other people don't like. Here is a REALLY simple example:
If you work at a restaurant, and you curse out a customer, you will probably get fired. But the government won't arrest you(unless you made actual threats). You have "free speech", but you still have to face the social consequences of using it.
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