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kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
With the new "series" on its way, which is personally turning my stomach at the thought, it really has reminded me of my ideas for how Voyager should have worked.

I won't get into the whole ineffective idea of the two crews working together, since there were only a couple of episodes where it was ever an issue.

Why could only the Caretaker's offspring continue protecting the Ocampa? And even if he was actually able to reproduce, how could he has taught it...or since his mate abandon him, guarantee that it wouldn't either? Wouldn't he have been better taking on a protégé?

The "debt that can never be repaid" was taking the nucleogenics from a planet? Well, why not just relocate the Ocampa? He put them underground and after five years they would have had to venture to the surface to survive, so he's automatically failed!

The debt should have been creating the Phage and turning the Vidians from a race of artists and scholars, into organ-rapers. That would have been a real devastating thing. He could have been searching for a cure to the Phage and Voyager could have destroyed the Caretaker's Array to prevent the Vidians harvesting organs from across the galaxy after his death!

Oh and instead of Neelix...what not have an El-Aurian? Someone like Guinnan, who really DID know every species between the Delta and Alpha Quadrants?

Like I say, they're just ideas that I've had over the years and I'm sure people will take issue with them :-)
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  • jade1280jade1280 Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    Just watch the video on youtube that follows the amount of torpedos voyager had vs what they used and that will twist the blade fast enough for this to be over.
  • lordvalecortezlordvalecortez Member Posts: 479 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    I like that video. The soundtrack really makes it.

    Also, I imagine the whole thing was an elaborate experiment on holodecks to see how far a crew could be pushed.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    Voyager should have never made it home. With all the opposition they faced, someone should have took them out in Season 1. How a mere Intrepid Class made it alone out there for an entire seven years is beyond me. Between the Kazon, Vidiian, Undine and Borg (among many other) it's a miracle Voyager remained in tact.
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  • mackbolan01mackbolan01 Member Posts: 580 Arc User
    sheeesh, just from the borg alone voyager should've been assimulated after the episode 'scorpion'​​
  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    There was talk that they were to stay stuck in the Delta Quadrant, that's why the last half of season 7 felt rushed as they didn't decide to bring them home until the later half of season 7.
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    flash525 wrote: »
    Voyager should have never made it home. With all the opposition they faced, someone should have took them out in Season 1. How a mere Intrepid Class made it alone out there for an entire seven years is beyond me. Between the Kazon, Vidiian, Undine and Borg (among many other) it's a miracle Voyager remained in tact.

    This is hero syndrome. The reason why shows are built around these guys and gals is because they are able to preserve through hardships and enemies that would have vaporized anyone else. Only Kirk would have solved the trouble with V'ger, Only Picard could have answered right during the trial with Q, Only Sisko could save Bajor and only Janeway could survive in the Delta Quadrant and bring her crew home.
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  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    I like that video. The soundtrack really makes it.

    I know! I even showed it to a hardcore VOY fan who agreed it was hilarious, partly for that reason. That and the tastefully used (not overdone) flashing text onscreen. ;)

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  • bioixibioixi Member Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited November 2015
  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    khan5000 wrote: »
    flash525 wrote: »
    Voyager should have never made it home. With all the opposition they faced, someone should have took them out in Season 1. How a mere Intrepid Class made it alone out there for an entire seven years is beyond me. Between the Kazon, Vidiian, Undine and Borg (among many other) it's a miracle Voyager remained in tact.

    This is hero syndrome. The reason why shows are built around these guys and gals is because they are able to preserve through hardships and enemies that would have vaporized anyone else. Only Kirk would have solved the trouble with V'ger, Only Picard could have answered right during the trial with Q, Only Sisko could save Bajor and only Janeway could survive in the Delta Quadrant and bring her crew home.

    And only [PLAYER] can kick the butt of every known threat in the galaxy and live to tell about it...or mess with time to revive ourselves and our ship.

    Aha! THAT's it! We're Qaylan Furlong! ;)

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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    Voyager should have been like Enterprise Season 3, minus the Xindi threat. Depleting provisions, conflict between the crew, constant attacks from pirates and hostile alien races, etc.
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    Voyager should have been like Enterprise Season 3, minus the Xindi threat. Depleting provisions, conflict between the crew, constant attacks from pirates and hostile alien races, etc.

    Ship a complete mess...
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    Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    Voyager should have been like Enterprise Season 3, minus the Xindi threat. Depleting provisions, conflict between the crew, constant attacks from pirates and hostile alien races, etc.
    Yeah, it's funny that the same people that did VOY eventually understood the lesson they so carefully refused to learn during VOY.


    Voyager should have been Year of Hell (minus the time travel?) for an entire season, every season.


    My personal idea for the Year of Hell would be to minimize the whole temporal shenengians and combine it with a Borg arc. The Voyager gets damaged in a battle and is stranded for a while. They need to find people that can help undo the damage, or it won't be able to fly back at home in any meaningful time. And this requires compromises, and making friends and allies. They might still be the most advance game in town, but they are just one damaged ship. They have a lot to offer to the people in the area, but - can they give it to them?
    And then, when it looks like soon their visit there is over, they detect something - a Borg Cube. And they have to stay, and help do something to defeat it.
    But the story is still Trek - so they will win in the end. It will come at a high price. (Maybe time travel will be a part of the solution, and part of it a red herring, and I imagine the Borg being blown up in an artificial supernova in the end...) And the way there will be stony.
    Year of Hell had the story of Tuvok being blinded - I could imagine it leading to complications as the Doctor tries to find replacement eyes, but they don't quite work, forcing Tuvok to take drugs that make it impossible to maintain his Vulcan Discipline, and causing him to leave VOY for a while as he can't work as a Starfleet Officer anymore in his condition - falling in love with some alien perhaps, and having to lose her and avenge her in a feeling of rage that quite possibly no Vulcan has engaged in for centuries or millenia, reminding us why Vulcans have given up their emotions.
    Maybe Chakotay and Janeway find each other on opposite tables as they take sides for factions inside the region of space they are stranded on.

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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    khan5000 wrote: »
    Voyager should have been like Enterprise Season 3, minus the Xindi threat. Depleting provisions, conflict between the crew, constant attacks from pirates and hostile alien races, etc.
    Ship a complete mess...
    That only makes sense if you assume they never had the chance to repair. In ENT they had a very short timeline and the time gaps between episodes are very short. It was said on screen in Voyager that there was often several MONTHS of time passing between episodes. Having the ship in exactly he same condition as the previous ep makes no sense.
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    Voyager should have been like Enterprise Season 3, minus the Xindi threat. Depleting provisions, conflict between the crew, constant attacks from pirates and hostile alien races, etc.
    Yeah, it's funny that the same people that did VOY eventually understood the lesson they so carefully refused to learn during VOY.


    Voyager should have been Year of Hell (minus the time travel?) for an entire season, every season.


    My personal idea for the Year of Hell would be to minimize the whole temporal shenengians and combine it with a Borg arc. The Voyager gets damaged in a battle and is stranded for a while. They need to find people that can help undo the damage, or it won't be able to fly back at home in any meaningful time. And this requires compromises, and making friends and allies. They might still be the most advance game in town, but they are just one damaged ship. They have a lot to offer to the people in the area, but - can they give it to them?
    And then, when it looks like soon their visit there is over, they detect something - a Borg Cube. And they have to stay, and help do something to defeat it.
    But the story is still Trek - so they will win in the end. It will come at a high price. (Maybe time travel will be a part of the solution, and part of it a red herring, and I imagine the Borg being blown up in an artificial supernova in the end...) And the way there will be stony.
    Year of Hell had the story of Tuvok being blinded - I could imagine it leading to complications as the Doctor tries to find replacement eyes, but they don't quite work, forcing Tuvok to take drugs that make it impossible to maintain his Vulcan Discipline, and causing him to leave VOY for a while as he can't work as a Starfleet Officer anymore in his condition - falling in love with some alien perhaps, and having to lose her and avenge her in a feeling of rage that quite possibly no Vulcan has engaged in for centuries or millenia, reminding us why Vulcans have given up their emotions.
    Maybe Chakotay and Janeway find each other on opposite tables as they take sides for factions inside the region of space they are stranded on.

    I like the idea except that Tuvok has a family back home and even if he gave up his commission I doubt he' leave the ship that was at least making a way back home.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,472 Arc User
    khan5000 wrote: »
    Voyager should have been like Enterprise Season 3, minus the Xindi threat. Depleting provisions, conflict between the crew, constant attacks from pirates and hostile alien races, etc.
    Ship a complete mess...
    That only makes sense if you assume they never had the chance to repair. In ENT they had a very short timeline and the time gaps between episodes are very short. It was said on screen in Voyager that there was often several MONTHS of time passing between episodes. Having the ship in exactly he same condition as the previous ep makes no sense.
    Some of the repairs would require a drydock, or even the resources of a starbase - neither one of which was within 70 thousand lightyears. Maybe it wouldn't have been as damaged as we last saw it - but some scarring should have been permanent, some plating should have remained unpainted because there was so much more to take care of than that...
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  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    khan5000 wrote: »
    Voyager should have been like Enterprise Season 3, minus the Xindi threat. Depleting provisions, conflict between the crew, constant attacks from pirates and hostile alien races, etc.
    Ship a complete mess...
    That only makes sense if you assume they never had the chance to repair. In ENT they had a very short timeline and the time gaps between episodes are very short. It was said on screen in Voyager that there was often several MONTHS of time passing between episodes. Having the ship in exactly he same condition as the previous ep makes no sense.
    Some of the repairs would require a drydock, or even the resources of a starbase - neither one of which was within 70 thousand lightyears. Maybe it wouldn't have been as damaged as we last saw it - but some scarring should have been permanent, some plating should have remained unpainted because there was so much more to take care of than that...

    I often felt that there were things happening off-screen, or rather I'm sure of it, as the characters mentioned events we didn't see.The show wasn't filmed like an ongoing sequence of real time events anyway. They did meet species we never saw, not everyone hated and attacked them. There were friendly ports that probably had state-of-the-art repair technology.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    khan5000 wrote: »

    I like the idea except that Tuvok has a family back home and even if he gave up his commission I doubt he' leave the ship that was at least making a way back home.

    I know he has that family, but he's also no longer the logical Vulcan - he's emotionally unstable.
    I don't want to bore you with fan fiction (especially Trek techno/biobabble) here, but if you're interested:
    My idea is this: His eyes get hurt and he goes blind. So the try to find a replacement. A cybernetic eye might be an option, or a VISOR; except this type of technology really works poorly with the Vulcan Brain, or at least Tuvok's. He suffers severe headaches from it and just can't function. He has to resign. The alternative is, of course, a cloned eye.

    But the eye needs to be rewired with the brain, and this proves complicated. It's not the same eye, it are not the same connections, and while it theoretically functions, something is wrong. Tuvok's Vulcan mental training interrferes - it "knows" how input from his eyes should look like, and this doesn't. And so, Tuvok's mind refuses to interpret the signals, and he is basically blind or disoriented all the time.

    So the Doctor proposes a solution - he can give Tuvok a special form of sedatives that suppress his Vulcan metal training. His brain will slowly get used to the changed input, and eventually the dosage of the sedatives will be reduced, and his mental training will no longer refuse the visual input.

    As he trains with his new eyes, he still has some problems with them - his visual associations are wrong - kinda like he might see Janeway but say Torres, or see a circle and say square. (That's basically the reason why his mental discipline is blocking his new eyes - things just don't make sense, and they treat it kinda like hallucinations.)

    But of course - without Tuvok's mental discipline, he suffers the normal emotional experience of a Vulcan. And he's moody. Extremely so, more than a human, more than even Romulans, because Romulans have their own techniques to deal with their emotional instability. He gets into fights, is unfocused, sometimes he seems depressive or sad. (I imagine if this had been a real TV episode or series of episodes, Tim Russ would have loved it.) So he just can't function as an officer aboard the ship.

    The VOY is still in repairs, so he doesn't need to worry she'll leave. He goes down to the planet to get away from it all, and takes on even a job, something like a private investigator (his security background might make him good at it).

    He might undergo more emotional stress - possibly even something like a (mild?) pon farr, so he basically is looking for company and finds a woman that somehow reminds him of his wife (even though she might not look like her at all - his visual inputs still trigger the wrong associations). And he likes his new life now.

    He asks to stay on the sedatives. He has never felt this good and doesn't want to go back to his logic. He believes he has found a way to deal with his emotions. The Doctor can't refuse him.

    I figure his girlfriend might be something like a prostitute or so, or she might otherwise be in trouble, or she might only be in trouble because she is together with Tuvok. Anyway, she is hurt or killed, and Tuvok gets really, really angry, and decides to kill the perpetrators. And succeeds, because he's an angry Vulcan with advanced Vulcan and Starfleet Combat Training, and a bad TRIBBLE. But... He's still Tuvok - he has a moral compass, and he knew he went too far. He realizes (much like possibly the audience) that he needs his mental discipline.

    He takes off the sedatives, and his situation slowly normalizes. Along the way, he might even realize that his girlfriend wasn't like his wife, and it's not just his logic that distances him from her now...
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    khan5000 wrote: »
    Voyager should have been like Enterprise Season 3, minus the Xindi threat. Depleting provisions, conflict between the crew, constant attacks from pirates and hostile alien races, etc.
    Ship a complete mess...
    That only makes sense if you assume they never had the chance to repair. In ENT they had a very short timeline and the time gaps between episodes are very short. It was said on screen in Voyager that there was often several MONTHS of time passing between episodes. Having the ship in exactly he same condition as the previous ep makes no sense.

    I assume that they had time to repair but the ship shouldn't look pristine episode to episode.
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    Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    khan5000 wrote: »
    khan5000 wrote: »
    Voyager should have been like Enterprise Season 3, minus the Xindi threat. Depleting provisions, conflict between the crew, constant attacks from pirates and hostile alien races, etc.
    Ship a complete mess...
    That only makes sense if you assume they never had the chance to repair. In ENT they had a very short timeline and the time gaps between episodes are very short. It was said on screen in Voyager that there was often several MONTHS of time passing between episodes. Having the ship in exactly he same condition as the previous ep makes no sense.
    I assume that they had time to repair but the ship shouldn't look pristine episode to episode.
    Honestly, the issue there is in redoing the CGI model repetedly. Sure they did that in ENT, but not every ep.
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    khan5000 wrote: »
    khan5000 wrote: »
    Voyager should have been like Enterprise Season 3, minus the Xindi threat. Depleting provisions, conflict between the crew, constant attacks from pirates and hostile alien races, etc.
    Ship a complete mess...
    That only makes sense if you assume they never had the chance to repair. In ENT they had a very short timeline and the time gaps between episodes are very short. It was said on screen in Voyager that there was often several MONTHS of time passing between episodes. Having the ship in exactly he same condition as the previous ep makes no sense.
    I assume that they had time to repair but the ship shouldn't look pristine episode to episode.
    Honestly, the issue there is in redoing the CGI model repetedly. Sure they did that in ENT, but not every ep.

    I get that was to cut costs and save on CG but it feeds into my issues with Voyager. I never once felt that they were so far away from home and as desperate as they said.
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  • lordvalecortezlordvalecortez Member Posts: 479 Arc User
    Really, long term holodeck simulation to see just how far a crew can be pushed when a madwoman is placed in charge and they are stranded far from home. I like to think there were multiple scenarios going on and that the one we saw was the most successful/longest running one.

    It explains away so much!
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  • lordrezeonlordrezeon Member Posts: 399 Arc User
    There are quite a few things that could have been done differently that would have been an improvement, but I'll limit this to just one minor thing.

    This kind of petty, but I think it would have been nice if Kes and Neelix had been given a more official role on the ship. I realize in the first couple episodes they were just guests, but by the second season it was clear they were staying for the long haul. Considering that Janeway simply gave the Maquis provisional field ranks, couldn't she have done the same for Kes and Neelix as a token gesture of respect. Even if they were merely given a provision rank as a non-commissioned crewman it would have been a nice touch.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    Well.... Neelix was basically filling Guinan's spot and she didn't have a rank. Kes, I could see, but she was basically a nurse.
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  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    Well.... Neelix was basically filling Guinan's spot and she didn't have a rank. Kes, I could see, but she was basically a nurse.

    I'm confused...does being a nurse preclude Kes from rank somehow or were you trying to say something different?

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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    gulberat wrote: »
    Well.... Neelix was basically filling Guinan's spot and she didn't have a rank. Kes, I could see, but she was basically a nurse.
    I'm confused...does being a nurse preclude Kes from rank somehow or were you trying to say something different?
    I was saying that it didn't really matter. Medical personnel don't really fit into the chain of command that way.
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  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    gulberat wrote: »
    Well.... Neelix was basically filling Guinan's spot and she didn't have a rank. Kes, I could see, but she was basically a nurse.
    I'm confused...does being a nurse preclude Kes from rank somehow or were you trying to say something different?
    I was saying that it didn't really matter. Medical personnel don't really fit into the chain of command that way.

    They aren't line officers but IRL they are fully commissioned staff officers who hold rank.

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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    Voyager should have been like Enterprise Season 3...

    No, it shouldn't have.​​

    Why not? How would you have done it?
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    gulberat wrote: »
    gulberat wrote: »
    Well.... Neelix was basically filling Guinan's spot and she didn't have a rank. Kes, I could see, but she was basically a nurse.
    I'm confused...does being a nurse preclude Kes from rank somehow or were you trying to say something different?
    I was saying that it didn't really matter. Medical personnel don't really fit into the chain of command that way.
    They aren't line officers but IRL they are fully commissioned staff officers who hold rank.
    Yeah, but it usually doesn't come up often. I think in her case Janeway was probably just waiting until later. IE teach her to be a proper officer first. Most of the Maquis were former Starfleet or low ranking people.
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