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Vote Kick feature needed for non combat stf grinders.
biessman
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I believe it's obvious as to whom I'm speaking about. I don't see them very often during ground STF's, but we do see them quite a bit during Space STF's. These are people that join an STF only to A: Get specialty Points for their next captain specialty rank. B: Mastery points for their ship masteries. Or C: Earn reputation marks when and IF the team can finish an STF with only 3-4 people actually doing the STF. And what do these people do? Either A: Stay in spawn, or B: They run away from the combat area, continuing to move their ships around or doing something on their screen so that the idle/afk timer does not kick them out.
I've gone through several STF's, and these guys get's annoying quite fast. Something else they do to become non-combat campers is when they act like their going to do the STF, but when they get destroyed they do not click that respawn button untill the STF has been completed. (Whether successfuly or failure it doesn't matter to them.)
The one common thing about STF's is that they require team work, but they need the team to be whole. It doesn't really matter if one person has more DPS than the other, as long as your contributing to the STF, everybody else will carry the team as a whole. However, those that do public STF matches like myself, shouldn't have to carry one or two people when they grind an stf when all they do is just sit there.
I know STO has the afk timer, but when you have people that watches for it or just moves 40 kilometers away from the combat zone, there's not much you can do about it. I think the team UI needs to have a vote kick feature, I say vote kick incase if for some reason the designated team leader is that non-combat grinder.
If something like this has been asked before I don't mind if somebody says so and posts a link. I tried to look and see if something like this was suggested but did not see anything on the forums and thought it best to go ahead and post this. Granted I have reported people for non-combat stf grinding and have guessed that there's not really anything a gm can do, but if a vote kick feature was implamented than I think that would help.
Granted that this feature would possible bring in trolls who may go into STF's and vote kicking people out for no reason, and that the kick may cause the stf leaving penalty to be given to the person that is kicked out of the stf, but even still, I believe a vote kick feature should be considered for Star Trek Online's public STF queue's.
I've gone through several STF's, and these guys get's annoying quite fast. Something else they do to become non-combat campers is when they act like their going to do the STF, but when they get destroyed they do not click that respawn button untill the STF has been completed. (Whether successfuly or failure it doesn't matter to them.)
The one common thing about STF's is that they require team work, but they need the team to be whole. It doesn't really matter if one person has more DPS than the other, as long as your contributing to the STF, everybody else will carry the team as a whole. However, those that do public STF matches like myself, shouldn't have to carry one or two people when they grind an stf when all they do is just sit there.
I know STO has the afk timer, but when you have people that watches for it or just moves 40 kilometers away from the combat zone, there's not much you can do about it. I think the team UI needs to have a vote kick feature, I say vote kick incase if for some reason the designated team leader is that non-combat grinder.
If something like this has been asked before I don't mind if somebody says so and posts a link. I tried to look and see if something like this was suggested but did not see anything on the forums and thought it best to go ahead and post this. Granted I have reported people for non-combat stf grinding and have guessed that there's not really anything a gm can do, but if a vote kick feature was implamented than I think that would help.
Granted that this feature would possible bring in trolls who may go into STF's and vote kicking people out for no reason, and that the kick may cause the stf leaving penalty to be given to the person that is kicked out of the stf, but even still, I believe a vote kick feature should be considered for Star Trek Online's public STF queue's.
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Now i just switch to other toon when i see him and after several minutes switch back to my main, and queue BOTSE again...
Let them sit doing nothing, i'm going to be enjoying the game by actually playing it whilst they do what, sit there doing nothing?
A vote feature is all well and good but it is just another feature that could lead to griefing or trolling and would take away dev time from more serious things that desperately need a fix.
Its a double edged sword. I can understand kicking the non-com campers out, but at the same time... we have to consider how such a tool would be used by others as well.
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But lo and behold, Being Sunday, I'm experiencing my LONGSTANDING Sunday Server issues.
SEVERE lag, game play - just about non playable, and frequent disconnects, not being able to log onto account server.
During the mission, It would seem that I and my pets were invincible, BUT apparently, all I could do was fly around the entity
debuffing it and dropping gravity wells on it.
I got no marks at the end AND haven't been able to log in since. Hence my reason for hopping on the forums, (to see if anyone else was having trouble).
WHO KNOWS HOW THINGS LOOKED FROM OTHER PLAYERS PERSPECTIVE ! I'm sure that to the others in this STF, I may have appeared to be not participating !, but through no fault of my own mind you.
And THIS is why we should never see a vote kick, God help us, amongst other very good reasons, pointed out by previous very sage posters in this, and ENDLESS other threads. Trust me, beating this horse won't get any mileage.
WHY? because Cryptic HAS ALREADY placed a system in this game to discourage AFKers, AND we've heard no end of how THAT system is targeting players who AREN'T AFKing !
I not saying we don't have plenty of trolls in this game, NO ONE is that naive to suggest that. But one can argue THAT'S PRECISELY WHY WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ONE.
If we get a vote kick, we won't be able to differentiate just whom is trolling whom anymore. We'd just be giving trolls another tool to troll.
Don't believe me? Just do a little research about all the hoopla and endless drama experienced with fleets or even the various game channels, Give one player a little bit of power over another player and what's happened ?
Drama, drama endless drama. This one kicks everyone in this fleet, or that channel for no reason, that one stole this fleet out from under everyone else. These group of players crashed this or that activity cause they didn't like this or that. ect. ect. Ad nauseam.
No friggen thanks. God PLEASE may these posts be treated the same way as T6 Connie request posts are PLEASE !
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Honestly, vote kick is a really lousy thing in MMOs and I hope to god that it's never implemented in STO. Neverwinter has one, but it was abused so violently and frequently that it's been nerfed to the brink of being obsolete which is one of the reasons I'm playing again. I was sick beyond measure of being kicked from dungeons and skirmishes by elite nerds who felt overly entitled.
that way, you can join and go afk, but you won't get anything. Sure this doesn't stop people from doing nothing, but then they might aswell be afk on ESD.
Everyone can get a phone call mid-STF or need the loo or have a million other real life issues to deal with so kicking would hit innocent people as well.
But if you had a means to mark a player who you thought was AKF or leeching or whatever then the game could put them on a list to ensure you never got teamed with them again in a queue.
Eventually a player who intentionally goes AFK will accumulate so many black marks they would be able to enter a queue, perhap the game issues a warning if they get 10, 15, 20 black marks etc.