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Star Trek Nemesis

goodscotchgoodscotch Member Posts: 1,680 Arc User
in Star Trek Online General Discussion
So...I watched Star Trek Nemesis last night...click on the spoiler alert button only if you haven't seen the movie.
Commander Data dies at the end. I'm assuming the android they found in parts on the desert planet, that ends up with all of Data's information and experiences, later, somehow, serves as a fitting vessel for his continuation. Does anyone know if that was the original plan? They resurrected Spock, this is the avenue they use to resurrect data. He shows up in ST:TNG episodes with elderly Enterprise crew, so I can only assume that's the case.
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    From what I know, Brent S. wanted Data to die, because he did'n find it plausible that and android would start to show the signs of ageing that he was beginning to show.
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  • scarlingscarling Member Posts: 708 Arc User
    anazonda wrote: »
    From what I know, Brent S. wanted Data to die, because he did'n find it plausible that and android would start to show the signs of ageing that he was beginning to show.

    TNG season 7 - Inheritance. It is mentioned that Data has an aging program. Also his "mother" (who died and was built as an android) also aged.

    So i dont get where that didnt want to show signs of aging comes from.
  • hunteralpha84hunteralpha84 Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    I thought it was pointless!

    I understand brent saying he didn't believe he could portray an ageless android anymore, its a fair point. But then why add B4 and transfer his consciousness across? It defeats the purpose!

    I think I might rewatch nemisis its been such a long time. I don't remember it being good though. (Except romulan Dina Meyer. Tastey)
  • mickcasanovamickcasanova Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    Most of the recent Star Trek movies have been pointless. Seems they are trying to steer it in a direction that clashes with what most of us have come to know.
  • gfreeman98gfreeman98 Member Posts: 1,201 Arc User
    hunteralpha84 wrote: »
    I understand brent saying he didn't believe he could portray an ageless android anymore, its a fair point. But then why add B4 and transfer his consciousness across? It defeats the purpose!)
    That's called leaving the door open for another movie. Also known as "when greed exceeds good sense."

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  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    One further thing for OP, during the series any future depictions were either false, ie riker as capt was a simulation, or one possible future outcome based on what the events were leading at the time, ie all good things. If traveling in the "future" has ever taught us, it is not set in stone and is one possibility, even witnessing it will cause some alteration because you are aware and might lead you to live differently.

    This tenant was touched upon in the final scene of 'all good things...' when eveyone was playing poker before picard asked if he could join. Picard joining was already an alteration because he never did that before and his insight in seeing his 'family' broken up showed him to cherish his loved ones while he can.
  • therealmaddmatttherealmaddmatt Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    The same thing happened with Spock in TWoK: He wasn't supposed to come back, but they still put in that "Remember..." shot.

    And thus began the long-standing trope of death-not-being-the-end in sci-fi. Thanks, Harv, it's all your fault. ;)
  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    Im pretty sure for TWoK they knew there was going to be another sequel and had a story in mind and had that cliffhanger on purpose, the first bunch of those were pretty back to back.

    As opposed to killing data, the TNG cast and crew full knew well they were saying good bye with a miniscule chance at revival.
  • dlmc85dlmc85 Member Posts: 145 Arc User
    In the comic released as prequel for jjTrek 1 data is Alice so it's semi-canon and in STO he's alive as well cause it's reported a conversation with Shon
  • hawku001xhawku001x Member Posts: 10,769 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    binkley#1015 wrote: »
    Where does Shon mention that I'd like to read it.

    Unexpected Honor

    and more Data stuff in Needs of the Many

    and final Data stuff in Countdown

    and final final let's all remember that Data is in our hearts. Forever.
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  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    Data is Alice?
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    officerbatman81 wrote: »
    Im pretty sure for TWoK they knew there was going to be another sequel and had a story in mind and had that cliffhanger on purpose, the first bunch of those were pretty back to back.

    As opposed to killing data, the TNG cast and crew full knew well they were saying good bye with a miniscule chance at revival.

    Yes, if you go to interviews of Leonard Nimoy talking about the Trek movies, he said that they knew there was going to be two sequels when they were filming Wrath of Khan.

    But with Nemesis, the TNG cast stated they knew it was the last one, that's why the crew were going in their separate directions at the end. Though they all stated they would love to do one more movie, including Sir Patrick.
  • hawku001xhawku001x Member Posts: 10,769 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    Patrick Stewart mentioned an after-Nemesis script that combined Captains from different series:

    https://youtu.be/wyuwNeenmwk?t=30m58s
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  • therealmaddmatttherealmaddmatt Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    Yes, they had further sequels in mind after TWoK, but that wasn't my point: Nimoy only signed on because they were going to kill Spock off for good, but they still snuck in that escape clause as the story evolved...
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    the whole B4 plot and the "dune buggy chase" (argo) made no sense...B4 was seriously the brent spiner scheme to get a fat paycheck for doing another TNG movie and the argo seemed to be something like a birthday present for Patrick Stewart...you know, drive a dune buggy for a day or so...only he got payed for it. Probably the whole crew got to drive it. All in all, Nemesis was a financial gift to the TNG cast.
    Nothing against that notion myself, only thing was that the movie they did on this "vacation" was seriously flawed.

    Hey, at least they gave us Tom Hardy...during his alcohol addiction period.
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  • apulseapulse Member Posts: 456 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    I liked Nemesis, but I am a sucker for space-combat and the Remans are just awesome race.
    As I understand it from the commentary on the DVD was that they wanted a character to die since it will be the last movie.
    Then they decided Data, I don't think Brent had anything to do with it.
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  • f9thretxcf9thretxc Member Posts: 505 Arc User
    The Scuttlebutt at the time, was there was to be a second part to the movie (storyline) which involved Sisko, Riker (On USS TITAN), Picard, and Janeway talking peace with the Roms. new enemy blah blah blah. Given the box office $$ from Nemesis , It then didn't get too far.

    We can only assume that the Data / B4 thing would have been addressed.​​
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