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And why is it bad, or against some rules?
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Oh, I see the comment/thread you're commenting on. Thing is, that queue is all about rescuing the ships and there's a way to accomplish that goal without actually fighting the tholians. But then of course there's people that think only one way, that you have to blow everything up, and so they take offense to those that take the shortest path to victory. Some players also don't realize there's the much simpler way to complete the queue and assume the others are "leaching" or "cheating" when in fact they're getting the job faster and easier.
Which begs the questions - why, as a developer, would you encourage such behavior knowing full well it annoys the community at large? Why not, as you suggest, link rewards to effort and useful activity? Consider, by way of example, Battlefield: Bad Company 2 - not only are the classes meant to operate as a team, but in terms of progression XP, they are indeed encouraged to do so.
X = arbitrary number defined by a person doing Y amount DPS
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The problem with the CC rankings is 300k kemo boats get to play in the same pool as the 30k boats.
When I was doing ANRA my Risian Corvette could tow a spawn's worth of ships out of firing range of the captive ships, which was much faster than trying to burn them down, but what would usually happen is someone would grav well them right on top of the captive ship or as I was towing everyone else would follow the ships and no one would free the captive ship. And then there'd be the string of nothing but T'Liss 1 pointers and I'd wonder why I even bothered.
The problem with that penalty, however, is that a) You can go to another queue, or b) you can load another toon and repeat...
Performance based is ok, but action-based reward and punishment should be also there (like attacking the generators alone in Infected while the other 4 people are at the other side killing stuff...).
Point is, most of the leeching and trolling tactics are known, but no measure is taken to punish those who use them repeteadly, so...
And, I would add, implementing the most Trek-appropriate solution. Quite aside from how Kirk and Scotty beat the Kobayashi Maru scenario, recall the TNG episode (the title escapes me at present) where the Enterprise was confronted with a Klingon sleeper ship that had been sent out during the war and was only now reaching its target area.
This is a valid concern; I do not have at present a solution for it.
This is a good point; I will have to study it further.
It's kind of like the U.S. Supreme Court's definition of obscenity: I know it when I see it.
That doesn't make it not real. I'd say you ideally want everyone dealing 10k. I see people who I know are well intentioned who deal 7k or 5k and I have no interest in shaming them. And sometimes people just stick with VASTLY sub-optimal builds when leveling/trying out a ship. Which I think is silly because you'd get Mastery T5 faster if you have gear you can equip from another ship. But some people don't equip gear from other ships.
When I see someone deal 2k or less DPS on a ship, I have to wonder if they have weapons equipped in every slot. I'm not sure how that happens and I see it happen without people being AFK at all. I'd almost like to make a study of that and write up a proposal for game mechanics changes Cryptic can make to make sure that doesn't happen. Somebody who never goes AFK shouldn't be able to deal DPS that low.
This is very well stated. I'm a casual STO player and I'm intimidated to try a que I haven't tried before, or have not done in a while, even on normal difficulty.
Some people can be not quite so nice to us types who aren't DPS hard core.
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I just feel that the badness is in the system if it doesn't make people better. There should be a performance floor, adjusting mechanics and UI if necessary to make sure that the bad aren't that bad.
Stowing away the time?
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Oh wow! Another person who doesn't get that STO isn't P2W because you can't lose anything and you can buy anything by grinding for it (bar a few subs perks).
And yet, the longevity / popularity of "class based" MMORPGs seem to indicate the opposite - that having an "impartial computer" determine the effectiveness of the multiple classes and their effect on the game is possible.
I mean, look. One of these "class based" MMORPGs has lived what, 15+ years? Another is still considered the most successful MMO-whatever of the modern era?
So, I'll ask you right now, and possibly put it up to poll later:
Do we want "shooter-esque" mechanics in which everybody does "equal" amounts of DPS but in different methods
Do we want "class-based" mechanics in which Tacticals = Kings of DPS, but need Science's CC and Engineering's "Tanking" in order to complete a mission.
Because what we have right now, a "class based mechanic" called "Tacticals = undisputed Kings of DPS" does not mesh with shooter-esque methodololgy of being all-inclusive.
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It's pretty easy to agro all enemies and free the captive ships without killing a single Tholian.
Azure Nebula Rescue, some dude sits behind an asteroid and frees the ships without getting into a fight - not leeching, quite ingenuous
Gateway to Grethor, some dude pew pews all the spawn portals whilst the rest close the radiation portals, not leeching, but not clever or contributing in any way useful.
Learn the queues and what's needed to get through them, you don't have to DPS all the time, yes its great to be able to do it, but you don't have to all the time