Next Borg battle.............

fl219 · October 2015

I won't equip shields on my ship. Then maybe I won't be shields drained every 2 seconds. It's getting to become a very old story. When out of 5 ships. I am the only to get it. At this rate, I am not supprised I get my shields drain from a borg ship on another map! I can handle getting shields drained a few times. But not every time. That's no exaggeration.

peterconnorfirst · October 2015

Could you please keep at least the Nukara or Iconian shield equipped to complete set bonuses?

plaztikman64 · October 2015

The Borg have assimilated the game engine and began to drain shields from every single instance, they've even renamed it to HAL

seriousdave · October 2015

plaztikman64 wrote: »

The Borg have assimilated the game engine and began to drain shields from every single instance, they've even renamed it to HAL

No wonder they are so easy to beat these days. If they have assimilated all the bugs then it's a miracle they don't just explode on sight.

serhatgs1905 · October 2015

let others act as cannon fodder. Engage after the borg have their target

and don't hit harder than that player or you'll pull aggro. It's the Borg and resistance is futile....it was futile... ah what am I saying the borg are cannon fodder aka target practice aka skill training targets.

Use space sets that negate their shield draining or bump skill points into the resist shield drain skill thingie

theraven2378 · October 2015

reyan01 wrote: »

fl219 wrote: »

I won't equip shields on my ship. Then maybe I won't be shields drained every 2 seconds. It's getting to become a very old story. When out of 5 ships. I am the only to get it. At this rate, I am not supprised I get my shields drain from a borg ship on another map! I can handle getting shields drained a few times. But not every time. That's no exaggeration.

Forced to agree.

And don't get me wrong, I am not saying that the Borg shouldn't be able to shield drain. It's just a total pain in the TRIBBLE how damned quickly they can do it and the fact that, all too frequently, there are more than one (Borg) ships doing so.

That shield drain is not nice, may need to put extra armour consoles onto the ship for when that happens

deaftravis05 · October 2015

I fight as though I assume my shields are down. It keeps me alive

ryugasirius · October 2015

reyan01 wrote: »

And don't get me wrong, I am not saying that the Borg shouldn't be able to shield drain. It's just a total pain in the TRIBBLE how damned quickly they can do it and the fact that, all too frequently, there are more than one (Borg) ships doing so.

Especially considering the tiniest borg ship will shut down my shields, while my own Tachyon Beam seems to barely scratch theirs (with 9 skill points in flow skill)

leemwatson · October 2015

deaftravis05 wrote: »

I fight as though I assume my shields are down. It keeps me alive

So very true.

theraven2378 · October 2015

deaftravis05 wrote: »

I fight as though I assume my shields are down. It keeps me alive

Best way, it means you have to be sharper on your responses

warmaker001b · October 2015

I used to try things to protect myself when the Borg strip away shields. Old habits from my very old PVP days. I then realized that even with my shields briefly gone, the Borg didn't do TRIBBLE anyways. So I keep playing as normal, worrying about nothing.

goodscotch · October 2015

As soon as I start to see them go down on a drain attack, I pop all the shield regen abilities I have to compensate while continuing to fire. Their drain doesn't last indefinitely. So unless you're surrounded by spheres and cubes and they have other targets to contend with, which is usually the case, you should be able to retain some of your shields.

lordsteve1 · October 2015

Yeah hull tanking is all well and good for cruisers but poor old science ships with barely 60k hull can't survive long with no shields.
The main benefit of sci ships is their extra shield mods but these are utterly worthless against the Borg. I rely solely on killing them first or just running the hell away when I get swarmed (and when you drop a grav well everyone on the map wants you dead!).

I don't want them to be weak and no threat but sometimes they are a bit much.

markhawkman · October 2015

lordsteve1 wrote: »

Yeah hull tanking is all well and good for cruisers but poor old science ships with barely 60k hull can't survive long with no shields.
The main benefit of sci ships is their extra shield mods but these are utterly worthless against the Borg. I rely solely on killing them first or just running the hell away when I get swarmed (and when you drop a grav well everyone on the map wants you dead!).

I don't want them to be weak and no threat but sometimes they are a bit much.

Try using Polarize Hull. It's a sci skill that is good for hull tanking.

kamiyama317 · October 2015

I did Borg Disconnected yesterday and I did fine with sci team + transfer shield strength + tac team. It didn't keep me at full shields but it fought against the shield drain well enough where I had some shields. It also probably helps that I have a leech and use Aux2Bat, so my shield power is over 100 nearly all the time.

maxfive00 · October 2015

The Borg can't keep this war up.

kamiyama317 · October 2015

War is how the Borg acquire drones and new technology, so they have to in order to survive.

We also have no idea what their numbers are. They could have millions of cubes. The losses we have inflicted upon them so far could be a fraction of their true strength.

They were also strengthened during Butterfly when they assimilated whatever race Noye's wife belonged to. While we used the Krenim time weapon to delete their transwarp conduit, they have still assimilated whatever made them so strong in this timeline.

deaftravis05 · October 2015

well, we know the Borg are losing their wars and have taken heavy losses against the Undine, Voth and the Alliance.

But yes, their shield drain is nuts

maxfive00 · October 2015

kamiyama317
War is how the Borg acquire drones and new technology, so they have to in order to survive.

The Borg aren't built for a long term war.When the Borg fought a war with 8472.The Collective's complete extermination was projected to be only weeks away.

kamiyama317 · October 2015

maxfive00 wrote: »

kamiyama317
War is how the Borg acquire drones and new technology, so they have to in order to survive.

The Borg aren't built for a long term war.When the Borg fought a war with 8472.The Collective's complete extermination was projected to be only weeks away.

Can you point to a movie or episode where that is said?

The Borg are more capable of surviving a long-term war than any other species. The more they are exposed to enemy weapons the more resistant they become against it. Any losses sustained early in the war are recouped later through assimilation.

Even the transphasic torpedoes that Janeway brought back through time, while devastating to cubes at that time, the Borg queen was confident that they would eventually adapt against it.

aliensamongus · October 2015

Maybe you shouldn't deal that many DPS to gain the threat. Probably that's what is your problem.. also, with FAW - you're likely go get threat from all sides if you do the DPS necessary.

That's why usually "Tanks", with high kinetic and energy resistance that also has threat generation + extra damage resistance and other skills in the captain skill tree, can handle it.

My engineer in a very engineering heavy ship with engineering specialty, manages it fairly easy. Especially with the captain skills that come with engineering. I touched on some fleet consoles and added even more threat, because I just love that style. Maybe costs a bit of DPS.. but it allows those glass-cannon types to keep firing.

If there isn't a threat-minifier, there should be one. I'm not that versed in Fleet shinnies.

Maybe I'm talking out of my TRIBBLE...

seriousdave · October 2015

maxfive00 wrote: »

kamiyama317
War is how the Borg acquire drones and new technology, so they have to in order to survive.

The Borg aren't built for a long term war.When the Borg fought a war with 8472.The Collective's complete extermination was projected to be only weeks away.

There's the important hint why the borg wouldn't survive any long term war.
They can easily destroy smaller opponents but once they find someone who can see eye to eye and is actually capable of waging a long term war with them they're done for.

The borg are incapable of actually using/changing tactics. They got as far as they did because they got lucky and assimilated the right tech to overpower their past targets.
Once they encountered the undine, on which a dead on frontal assault didn't work, they were screwed.
In sto they messed with the voth, couldn't simply overpower them and got screwed, same with the story with the iconian supported vaadwaur and the alliance who's tech level also slightly jumped ahead with all the study of iconian influenced stuff around.

kamiyama317 · October 2015

The crew of the voyager did find the secret to assimilating undine, but they didn't share it with the Borg. I think the Borg could find the secret if they had enough time. In STO they do manage to assimilate an Undine but we kill it and stop them from transmitting the information back to the collective. So they can do it, it's just hard. It's just a matter of throwing enough cubes at them to get the necessary information. The question is, do they want to do that?

I think the Borg do use tactics - look at Wolf 359. Why send a single cube? If they sent a second they would have won. They could have sent hundreds. I think they are being overly cautious. They don't want to commit to a major offensive and put all their eggs in one basket. By sending a single cube here, a single cube there, they get to assimilate weaker species and build their numbers. If the species is too strong and destroy the cube, all they lost is a single cube. That's nothing compared to the numbers they keep building up using this tactic.

If this is the case, then it's only a matter of time before they run out of weak targets to assimilate and they start becoming more aggressive. Eventually they would have to commit to a major offensive to keep growing and acquire new technology.

I'm not familiar with the voth and vaadwaur fighting the borg. I did all the episodes but don't remember borg being mentioned outside of the co-operative.

tmassx · October 2015

fl219 wrote: »

I won't equip shields on my ship. Then maybe I won't be shields drained every 2 seconds. It's getting to become a very old story. When out of 5 ships. I am the only to get it. At this rate, I am not supprised I get my shields drain from a borg ship on another map! I can handle getting shields drained a few times. But not every time. That's no exaggeration.

Even is tv shows , the borg have powerfull shield drain ability.

And for the inspiration Galaxy Class Solo VS ISA :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbo0bEJs4zs

maxfive00 · October 2015

kamiyama317 wrote: »

maxfive00 wrote: »

kamiyama317
War is how the Borg acquire drones and new technology, so they have to in order to survive.

The Borg aren't built for a long term war.When the Borg fought a war with 8472.The Collective's complete extermination was projected to be only weeks away.

Can you point to a movie or episode where that is said?

The Borg are more capable of surviving a long-term war than any other species. The more they are exposed to enemy weapons the more resistant they become against it. Any losses sustained early in the war are recouped later through assimilation.

Even the transphasic torpedoes that Janeway brought back through time, while devastating to cubes at that time, the Borg queen was confident that they would eventually adapt against it.

Star Trek Voy
Scorpion, Part II by 7of9

The Borg are fighting everybody.Just like Germany did in World War 2.

artan42 · October 2015

maxfive00 wrote: »

kamiyama317 wrote: »

maxfive00 wrote: »

kamiyama317
War is how the Borg acquire drones and new technology, so they have to in order to survive.

The Borg aren't built for a long term war.When the Borg fought a war with 8472.The Collective's complete extermination was projected to be only weeks away.

Can you point to a movie or episode where that is said?

The Borg are more capable of surviving a long-term war than any other species. The more they are exposed to enemy weapons the more resistant they become against it. Any losses sustained early in the war are recouped later through assimilation.

Even the transphasic torpedoes that Janeway brought back through time, while devastating to cubes at that time, the Borg queen was confident that they would eventually adapt against it.

Star Trek Voy
Scorpion, Part II by 7of9

The Borg are fighting everybody.Just like Germany did in World War 2.

Everybody was fighting everybody in WWII, that's why it was a world war.

jorantomalak · October 2015

plaztikman64 wrote: »

The Borg have assimilated the game engine and began to drain shields from every single instance, they've even renamed it to HAL

Im sorry Dave but i cannot let you do that...

plaztikman64 · October 2015

...lol, please carry on

darkbladejk · October 2015

Why not just hit a reverse shield polarity when they drain your shields? not to sound like a jerk but there's plenty of ways to work around that.

apulse · October 2015

Shield drain is one thing, I am more annoyed over their boarding parties trying to assimilate my ship every freaking time.

Next Borg battle.............

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