I can dig this. Since we're bound to have carriers in STO, although the usefulness and firepower of such small craft in universe is completely questionable - this at least makes much more sense that sending hundreds if not thousands of living beings to the slaughter.
They could also either buff or add a bonus/s to the level system (the stars they get) for the hanger-pets to make them more survivable as they level up. Like that as they gain their stars they either get a buff to thier chance to evade damage, or just a flat damage reduction, along with increased attack speed on thier weapons or weapon damage as they level up. This could make the hanger-pets both stronger an more survivable without giving them a flat base-line buff to thier stats, but more part of thier leveling up an also showcasing how much better the pilot is getting.
Though another idea could be to use the flight deck doff. or make a new doff that is classified as a actual pilot doff which might buff that thru being slotted could give different buffs to your deployed hanger-pets. Since we already have the flight deck doff that gives a bonus to your hanger-pets while they are using a certain hanger-pet command (escort, attack, intercept, recall.). I think atleast making these already implimented buffs that the flight deck doff gives being more of a standard buff gained regardless of the command the pet's are in but gains an additional buff when in the correct command.
I can dig this. Since we're bound to have carriers in STO, although the usefulness and firepower of such small craft in universe is completely questionable - this at least makes much more sense that sending hundreds if not thousands of living beings to the slaughter.
I have said this a hundred times already, but I always said small craft in STO should behave like "Boarding Party" does. They are utility ships that buff/debuff and at best perform point defense, and not ship-bound but available as a BOFF ability, higher levels in high engineering seats (because bigger cruisers should have more/better shuttles). If you go for ship-to-ship combat nothing smaller than a B'Rel is going to really help you and those should have been controlled by "Command ships" as warp-in and controllable reinforcements. That is how it should have worked five years ago.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
They certainly need to do something with either the survivability of pets or their behavior. I don't even enjoy using my JHDC anymore. Almost everytime i launch hangar pets, i see them exploding a couple of seconds later. It's like they are magically drawn to every warp core breach on the map. Might as well rename all hangar pets and call them kamikaze bombers or lemmings.
Always thought the idea of having "pets" in an MMO meant to have the ability to train them somehow in a minimalistic and customizable way or at least give some orders beyond what we have now. Attack, go here, come back to me, seems like not a whole lot of interaction. The space pet system is even worse, like darthraiderxxx said, squishy little things in space for the most part and fairly low skilled unless you are grabbing the newer purples. I don't ever use them or my wing cannons much on my kumari even thought I probably should.
I agree, combat drones make far more sense given the lifespan of Fighters, or holographic ones.
Better would be to give them a decent AI when they didn't get themselves killed by any warp core explosion that happens along- any pilot who lets that happen isn't a fighter pilot- he's a guided missile pilot. If they just make them immune to warp core explosions, they wouldn't even have to upgrade the AI.
Or even have them return to their launching ship for refit and repair when they take too much damage and stop killing them at all. This wouldn't be any change in effectiveness at all, just a graphical one of what happens.
Little things matter. Something Cryptic has never learned.
I'd definitely like to see this type of pet too. From a RP perspective, its scary to think of how many readshirts died just beacuse they were silly enough to fly too close to an exploding NPC. That was actually the reason I "wasted" so many resources on getting Elite Swarmers from my fleet. At least sending them out to explode made "sense." However, swarmers are just too expensive to buy on every toon, especially since there isn't a non-fleet version other than the one's tied to the Obelisk Carrier. Anyway, sorry for rambling, and again I would love to see more "drone" pets.
As Zephram Cochrane once said, "That'll do, pig. That'll do." - April 1st 2015.
i also think drones rather than shuttles are more convincing. for hangar bay cruisers/escorts it was somehow very trekky. voyager often used the delta as supp vessel etc. so it fittet.
a dedicated carrier on the other hand should come with more pet options for the fed (and kdf should get some decent runabout-class vessels too. they are lacking mid-class currently)
as it comes for small pet survivability there 2 major points:
Ai or rather A-non-I:
1st. warpcorebreaches really kill every pet. its really stupid.
2nd. nearly every damn npc now has AOE and thereby everything smaller than a runabout is wasted.
for the first problem, just make those pets have an innate "avoid one warpcore breach per minute" trait. just for all pets in non-PVP area.
for the second problem, maybe we could introduce sth like "at least 3 attacks landing" thing for the smaller pets in PVE? or at least increase their defense agains npc ships. im only talking about pve here. it needs different rules. sth a brand not named never realized and kept them busy for no 9years of constant patching, trying to make one rule for both completely diff play-environments. they still not suceeded though. please dont repeat this mistake: just introduce different rulesets for pvp and pve.
as it comes for pet types i really look forward to seeing the fed getting a decent frigatte-classed pet finally. or at least a decent "dmg focussed" runabout class pet.
(currently the runabouts are pvp toolkit (tractor, chroniton, slowgas), while the delta is pve toolkit pet (that condradicts itself by using transphasic combined with tachyonbeam ... are we going around shields, or killing them?))
i want to see a runabout sized class (so 4 per hangar) that is for dealing dmg. using 1quantum torps, 1 beam/dual beam front, 1 omnnibeam aft, and either BETA/weaponcyclehaste/faw/(beamoverload*) *since we have a trait granting bo its not the best option to have this skill on the runabout) best would be beta, esp if the carrier will "lack" tactical bridge officers.
please DONT give us cannons weapons on the frigatte or the dmg focussed runabouts - the AI is to bad for cannons. most of the time they spend turreting only. its dumb. (last time i used brel it was that way)
fed really needs a dmg focussed pet, bigger than fighter class.
and some more offensive "gimmic" pets (for all factions btw) (like tachyon drones, syphon drones, like these) - i mean, there is so much room for pets, it really doesnt take much creativity to implement some gimmics that are fun to use and fun to switch around.
just some examples: sensor enhancement drone: occasionally grants focus fire 1 on targets affected
sensor disruption drone: occasionally grants sensor scramble to affected target.
etc
just make those use weak omni beams that have a proc on them for the desired effect.
i really think this carrier/pet gameplay could be enhanced widely, and i dont understand why cryptic really holds back EVERYTHING in this game for no particular reason but "we want to sell everything after each other so people buy everything in the end" - i really think you could sell those pet-types for 1k each and they would sell even if you thow all of them on the market same time.
yeah and while we are at TRIBBLE: stop selling pets with ships linked: its to expensive to buy a 3k ship just for its pets.
just sell the hangar pets for 1k zen seperately and enhance that gameplay widely. the pets should be veryrare level then at least.
so even if the fed wont get a frigate class hangar pet, please give them dedicated DPS runabout class hangar pets already.
while the kdf would really need a runabout class pet at all. currently you only have fighter pet class for the non carriers, cause the brels are to big. (im currently using the marauding force, causet hey have more hull, but they are far away from runabout hp and dmg)
Yes, that's usually how German does it. You can chain words in almost infinite combinations and it still makes sense. And some of it must sound almost like Klingon to a foreign speaking person. Try reading "Wachstuchtischdecke" out aloud
"Wehr" is a shortened variant of "Abwehr", just like "wehren" is a shorter variant of "abwehren". In colloquial usage I'd say "Wehr" is an old/outdated term not used frequently anymore. To cater to stereotypes, I assume the most prominent example you have regarding "Wehr" is the "Wehrmacht", Germany's WW2 army which translates literally as "Defense force" or "derfending force". But in modern German you hardly use "Wehr" anymore, although it is part of some constructions like "Feuerwehr" (literally "Fire defense", the fire department) or a castle's battlements are called "Wehrgänge" (like "defending corridors").
Yes, Wehrmacht, that must have been what I was thinking of.
Add to that that I usually have to use American English on a professional level (scientific papers).
I often find I'm having to translate papers from American, even in the scientific context some of them still use Imperial units rather than the metric system. Nothing is as annoying as coming across a volume in fluid ounces then realising an American fluid ounce is different to a British one which is why we're meant to use metric in the first place.
Those are TRIBBLE. They often mistake a oink for a squeak and I do not want to experience the shame and embarassment. Again.
Could be worse, they could have mistaken an oink for a grunt, now that would have been embarrassing .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
"Wachstuchtischdecke" is easy compared to "Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch", but the latter is Welsh not German and I just wanted to chime in on the German language discussion which I missed but which I would have loved to partake in. Maybe one more meaning of "Wehr" as "Stauwehr" (or thematically related things), which my dictionary tells me the English call "weir" though I would in most cases say "dam" or "TRIBBLE" or "levee".
More on topic: as somebody who hates to leave people behind, I always recall my pets before leaving a map and already feel sorry for the repair drones I leave behind with my KDF toons, them losing all purpose in life. So I would very much love any explanation that does away with casualties. I could headcanon it, but I can't really.
My mother was an epohh and my father smelled of tulaberries
If you look at @xyquarze 's posting, Welsh seems like a lot more effort Only not on purpose ad absurdum chained German word coming close to this might be "Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz" which defines a law concerning the quality control of labeling beef products.
Yes, Wehrmacht, that must have been what I was thinking of.
That's all English speaking folk think of
I often find I'm having to translate papers from American, even in the scientific context some of them still use Imperial units rather than the metric system. Nothing is as annoying as coming across a volume in fluid ounces then realising an American fluid ounce is different to a British one which is why we're meant to use metric in the first place.
I will never understand how anyone can not use the metric system
Could be worse, they could have mistaken an oink for a grunt, now that would have been embarrassing .
Depends. It could make new friends as well. Close friends.
It's fascinating how much one can derail a thread. If there is more interest in discussing languages, maybe just pass me a message or something
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Has never beens hown to be capable of autonomous combat manoeuvres, aside from the multi-vector assault module which was a prototype. To let shuttles act as combat drones with auto navigation would make very little sense as the cosntruction of dedicated drones would be much more plausible.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Has never beens hown to be capable of autonomous combat manoeuvres, aside from the multi-vector assault module which was a prototype. To let shuttles act as combat drones with auto navigation would make very little sense as the cosntruction of dedicated drones would be much more plausible.
Same thing... just a different casing. Upgrade the shuttle... boom... done.
I'm not sure why they can't just add a holoemmiter inside a shuttle or fighter (replace life support with a holoprojection unit) and use holograms to pilot the smallcraft.
I can't see he Federation (or the Romulans) being so wasteful with life as to spam fighters crewed with real people.
So robot drones or holopilots, both have their advantages. A drone would be easier to set up as holoprojectors are quite tricky, but drones signals can be TRIBBLE but holograms are self guiding.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
As Mustrum has done a couple of fed drones, I'd like to suggest a KDF one.
Ferasan Light Kamikaze Drone
Launch - 2 Per Hanger - 4
Basic Disruptor turret Ramming Speed I
Advanced Disruptor turret Omni-directional disruptor beam array Cannon Rapid Fire I Ramming Speed II
Elite Disruptor turret Omni-Directional disruptor beam array Micro plasma torpedo launcher Cannon rapid fire I Beam Fire at will I Ramming Speed II
Prior to their defeat and subsequent absorption into the Klingon Empire, the Ferasan Armada was well known for their usage of drone technology. It was not unusual to come across a Ferasan ship surrounded by a cloud of combat drones. These drones would be used both in a defensive manner (tasked to intercept incoming fighters and other projectiles) and a more offensive posture (tasked with engaging an opposing ship and outright colliding with them, detonating an internal warhead to cause as much devastation as possible).
These weapons were considered primitive and inefficient by most within the Empire at the end of the Klingon/Ferasan conflict. When compared with the venerable Photon Torpedo, the drones were slow, difficult to control and prone to being destroyed before reaching their target. As such the technology was quickly abandoned. However, some within the Ferasan military continued to work on them in secret.
Towards the end of the Iconian War the Klingon Empire found itself in dire straights. The loss of manpower was incredible, and the High Council found themselves in a position where they could no longer afford to send out highly skilled and honourable warriors to their deaths in the Empire's fighter craft. When they began searching for an alternative the Ferasans came forward with a collection of new combat drones, starting with the Light Kamikaze Drone. Larger than their predecessors, remote piloted from the carrier, and fitted with modern weaponry, these drones could easily take up the position of fighter craft within the Imperial fleet.
I'm not sure why they can't just add a holoemmiter inside a shuttle or fighter (replace life support with a holoprojection unit) and use holograms to pilot the smallcraft.
I can't see he Federation (or the Romulans) being so wasteful with life as to spam fighters crewed with real people.
So robot drones or holopilots, both have their advantages. A drone would be easier to set up as holoprojectors are quite tricky, but drones signals can be TRIBBLE but holograms are self guiding.
Having a hologram operate computers made for humanoid never made sense to me. The hologram could directly uplink to the computer.
Anyway, there is the "problem" of holograms becoming/being self aware lifeforms. It's not much better sending those to their deaths. Drones really make more sense than holograms in shuttles or refitted autopilot shuttles, the shuttles themselves aren't even meant to combat whereas Sentry Pods are dedicated defensive automations that could even be remote controlled by personnel on the carrier.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I'm not sure why they can't just add a holoemmiter inside a shuttle or fighter (replace life support with a holoprojection unit) and use holograms to pilot the smallcraft.
I can't see he Federation (or the Romulans) being so wasteful with life as to spam fighters crewed with real people.
So robot drones or holopilots, both have their advantages. A drone would be easier to set up as holoprojectors are quite tricky, but drones signals can be TRIBBLE but holograms are self guiding.
Having a hologram operate computers made for humanoid never made sense to me. The hologram could directly uplink to the computer.
Anyway, there is the "problem" of holograms becoming/being self aware lifeforms. It's not much better sending those to their deaths. Drones really make more sense than holograms in shuttles or refitted autopilot shuttles, the shuttles themselves aren't even meant to combat whereas Sentry Pods are dedicated defensive automations that could even be remote controlled by personnel on the carrier.
Not all holograms are, some are just projections of the ships computer.
Judging by VOY, shuttles are easy to make, it's hardly more effort to make them that to create specialised Sentry Pods. Note: This only goes for ships carrying large amounts of shuttles (such as the Galaxy) I see no problem with dedicated carriers using specialised drones.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Also with a hologram you could merely upload it from the shuttle/fighter before it s destroyed, also if you look we have an entire starbase/prison manned by Hologram operitives really that we have seen. though i think you could just man the shuttles/fighters with an mass-production Android, not on the level or sophitication of Data mind you, which we have seen the possibility of this happening in the episode in which Data went to trail to have his rights challenged.
Not all holograms are, some are just projections of the ships computer.
Judging by VOY, shuttles are easy to make, it's hardly more effort to make them that to create specialised Sentry Pods. Note: This only goes for ships carrying large amounts of shuttles (such as the Galaxy) I see no problem with dedicated carriers using specialised drones.
But there is the remaining ethical/moral conflict and the, in my opinion, wasteful use of holograms and shuttles.
Also with a hologram you could merely upload it from the shuttle/fighter before it s destroyed, also if you look we have an entire starbase/prison manned by Hologram operitives really that we have seen. though i think you could just man the shuttles/fighters with an mass-production Android, not on the level or sophitication of Data mind you, which we have seen the possibility of this happening in the episode in which Data went to trail to have his rights challenged.
When you go through the lengths to produce androids (less sophisticated/lobotomized ones - still moral conflict) to control the shuttle, why not just remote control/program an AI to control the shuttle directly? And why not simply use drones then instead of empty shuttles with wasted space?
Shuttles are in canon just not meant to fight starships. In STO, everything is used and based on it's function to fight which paints a pretty biased picture in my opinion.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Not all holograms are, some are just projections of the ships computer.
Judging by VOY, shuttles are easy to make, it's hardly more effort to make them that to create specialised Sentry Pods. Note: This only goes for ships carrying large amounts of shuttles (such as the Galaxy) I see no problem with dedicated carriers using specialised drones.
But there is the remaining ethical/moral conflict and the, in my opinion, wasteful use of holograms and shuttles.
I don't think the ships computers have ever been classed as sentient, even if they were it would't matter as destroying a shuttle commanded by one would't kill the main computer.
Yes it is wasteful, I was just musing on the logistics of the existing shuttle pets ingame. In a dedicated carrier fighter pet I think it would be for the best if they were remote controlled.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Oh i agree with you that shuttles are just not fighter craft, but more secondary craft with a defensive compliment of weapons incase of trouble. Well there is also the fact that you still have shuttles being used on transporter-capable starships for transporting crew such as across long distances, or to deploy boarding parties on a enemy ship (though why you would unless you cann't seem to get transporters to put the ship even with shields down. As such having shuttles that have that empty space in them to be used by biological crew when they are not being piloted by holograms/androids doubles your compliment of shuttles. Also having a onboard computer/Ai with a android pilot gives you redundency incase of your shuttle/fighter having thier computer/AI or the Android high-jacked and turned against the mother vessal.
Truthfully each has theidr pros and cons. Biological crewed fighters can make moral choices an override orders they feel are wrong in the feild, or react in a less automized an predictable manner, while needing more space an tech to survive. A drone/Ai controled fighter/shuttle is well more morally acceptable unless you take into account they can be completely removed from moral choice an indiscrimint with how they act once unleashed on a target, also using emp or hacking you could disable or turn them on their carrier increasing your enemy's compliment of ships. A hologram (in the vain of the portable or shielded versions like the Voyger's doctor)/android pilot you can make a redundency that if the ship's ai/computer is TRIBBLE they can override the hacking an remain on target, also as said keeps you have having a compliment of craft that have no other function than combat on your vessel.
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I can dig this. Since we're bound to have carriers in STO, although the usefulness and firepower of such small craft in universe is completely questionable - this at least makes much more sense that sending hundreds if not thousands of living beings to the slaughter.
Though another idea could be to use the flight deck doff. or make a new doff that is classified as a actual pilot doff which might buff that thru being slotted could give different buffs to your deployed hanger-pets. Since we already have the flight deck doff that gives a bonus to your hanger-pets while they are using a certain hanger-pet command (escort, attack, intercept, recall.). I think atleast making these already implimented buffs that the flight deck doff gives being more of a standard buff gained regardless of the command the pet's are in but gains an additional buff when in the correct command.
I have said this a hundred times already, but I always said small craft in STO should behave like "Boarding Party" does. They are utility ships that buff/debuff and at best perform point defense, and not ship-bound but available as a BOFF ability, higher levels in high engineering seats (because bigger cruisers should have more/better shuttles). If you go for ship-to-ship combat nothing smaller than a B'Rel is going to really help you and those should have been controlled by "Command ships" as warp-in and controllable reinforcements. That is how it should have worked five years ago.
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Better would be to give them a decent AI when they didn't get themselves killed by any warp core explosion that happens along- any pilot who lets that happen isn't a fighter pilot- he's a guided missile pilot. If they just make them immune to warp core explosions, they wouldn't even have to upgrade the AI.
Or even have them return to their launching ship for refit and repair when they take too much damage and stop killing them at all. This wouldn't be any change in effectiveness at all, just a graphical one of what happens.
Little things matter. Something Cryptic has never learned.
a dedicated carrier on the other hand should come with more pet options for the fed (and kdf should get some decent runabout-class vessels too. they are lacking mid-class currently)
as it comes for small pet survivability there 2 major points:
Ai or rather A-non-I:
1st. warpcorebreaches really kill every pet. its really stupid.
2nd. nearly every damn npc now has AOE and thereby everything smaller than a runabout is wasted.
for the first problem, just make those pets have an innate "avoid one warpcore breach per minute" trait. just for all pets in non-PVP area.
for the second problem, maybe we could introduce sth like "at least 3 attacks landing" thing for the smaller pets in PVE? or at least increase their defense agains npc ships. im only talking about pve here. it needs different rules. sth a brand not named never realized and kept them busy for no 9years of constant patching, trying to make one rule for both completely diff play-environments. they still not suceeded though. please dont repeat this mistake: just introduce different rulesets for pvp and pve.
as it comes for pet types i really look forward to seeing the fed getting a decent frigatte-classed pet finally. or at least a decent "dmg focussed" runabout class pet.
(currently the runabouts are pvp toolkit (tractor, chroniton, slowgas), while the delta is pve toolkit pet (that condradicts itself by using transphasic combined with tachyonbeam ... are we going around shields, or killing them?))
i want to see a runabout sized class (so 4 per hangar) that is for dealing dmg. using 1quantum torps, 1 beam/dual beam front, 1 omnnibeam aft, and either BETA/weaponcyclehaste/faw/(beamoverload*) *since we have a trait granting bo its not the best option to have this skill on the runabout) best would be beta, esp if the carrier will "lack" tactical bridge officers.
please DONT give us cannons weapons on the frigatte or the dmg focussed runabouts - the AI is to bad for cannons. most of the time they spend turreting only. its dumb. (last time i used brel it was that way)
fed really needs a dmg focussed pet, bigger than fighter class.
and some more offensive "gimmic" pets (for all factions btw) (like tachyon drones, syphon drones, like these) - i mean, there is so much room for pets, it really doesnt take much creativity to implement some gimmics that are fun to use and fun to switch around.
just some examples: sensor enhancement drone: occasionally grants focus fire 1 on targets affected
sensor disruption drone: occasionally grants sensor scramble to affected target.
etc
just make those use weak omni beams that have a proc on them for the desired effect.
i really think this carrier/pet gameplay could be enhanced widely, and i dont understand why cryptic really holds back EVERYTHING in this game for no particular reason but "we want to sell everything after each other so people buy everything in the end" - i really think you could sell those pet-types for 1k each and they would sell even if you thow all of them on the market same time.
yeah and while we are at TRIBBLE: stop selling pets with ships linked: its to expensive to buy a 3k ship just for its pets.
just sell the hangar pets for 1k zen seperately and enhance that gameplay widely. the pets should be veryrare level then at least.
so even if the fed wont get a frigate class hangar pet, please give them dedicated DPS runabout class hangar pets already.
while the kdf would really need a runabout class pet at all. currently you only have fighter pet class for the non carriers, cause the brels are to big. (im currently using the marauding force, causet hey have more hull, but they are far away from runabout hp and dmg)
That sounds like a lot of effort
Yes, Wehrmacht, that must have been what I was thinking of.
I often find I'm having to translate papers from American, even in the scientific context some of them still use Imperial units rather than the metric system. Nothing is as annoying as coming across a volume in fluid ounces then realising an American fluid ounce is different to a British one which is why we're meant to use metric in the first place.
Could be worse, they could have mistaken an oink for a grunt, now that would have been embarrassing
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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More on topic: as somebody who hates to leave people behind, I always recall my pets before leaving a map and already feel sorry for the repair drones I leave behind with my KDF toons, them losing all purpose in life. So I would very much love any explanation that does away with casualties. I could headcanon it, but I can't really.
If you look at @xyquarze 's posting, Welsh seems like a lot more effort
That's all English speaking folk think of
I will never understand how anyone can not use the metric system
Depends. It could make new friends as well. Close friends.
It's fascinating how much one can derail a thread. If there is more interest in discussing languages, maybe just pass me a message or something
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Has never beens hown to be capable of autonomous combat manoeuvres, aside from the multi-vector assault module which was a prototype. To let shuttles act as combat drones with auto navigation would make very little sense as the cosntruction of dedicated drones would be much more plausible.
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Same thing... just a different casing. Upgrade the shuttle... boom... done.
I can't see he Federation (or the Romulans) being so wasteful with life as to spam fighters crewed with real people.
So robot drones or holopilots, both have their advantages. A drone would be easier to set up as holoprojectors are quite tricky, but drones signals can be TRIBBLE but holograms are self guiding.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Ferasan Light Kamikaze Drone
Launch - 2
Per Hanger - 4
Basic
Disruptor turret
Ramming Speed I
Advanced
Disruptor turret
Omni-directional disruptor beam array
Cannon Rapid Fire I
Ramming Speed II
Elite
Disruptor turret
Omni-Directional disruptor beam array
Micro plasma torpedo launcher
Cannon rapid fire I
Beam Fire at will I
Ramming Speed II
Prior to their defeat and subsequent absorption into the Klingon Empire, the Ferasan Armada was well known for their usage of drone technology. It was not unusual to come across a Ferasan ship surrounded by a cloud of combat drones. These drones would be used both in a defensive manner (tasked to intercept incoming fighters and other projectiles) and a more offensive posture (tasked with engaging an opposing ship and outright colliding with them, detonating an internal warhead to cause as much devastation as possible).
These weapons were considered primitive and inefficient by most within the Empire at the end of the Klingon/Ferasan conflict. When compared with the venerable Photon Torpedo, the drones were slow, difficult to control and prone to being destroyed before reaching their target. As such the technology was quickly abandoned. However, some within the Ferasan military continued to work on them in secret.
Towards the end of the Iconian War the Klingon Empire found itself in dire straights. The loss of manpower was incredible, and the High Council found themselves in a position where they could no longer afford to send out highly skilled and honourable warriors to their deaths in the Empire's fighter craft. When they began searching for an alternative the Ferasans came forward with a collection of new combat drones, starting with the Light Kamikaze Drone. Larger than their predecessors, remote piloted from the carrier, and fitted with modern weaponry, these drones could easily take up the position of fighter craft within the Imperial fleet.
Having a hologram operate computers made for humanoid never made sense to me. The hologram could directly uplink to the computer.
Anyway, there is the "problem" of holograms becoming/being self aware lifeforms. It's not much better sending those to their deaths. Drones really make more sense than holograms in shuttles or refitted autopilot shuttles, the shuttles themselves aren't even meant to combat whereas Sentry Pods are dedicated defensive automations that could even be remote controlled by personnel on the carrier.
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Not all holograms are, some are just projections of the ships computer.
Judging by VOY, shuttles are easy to make, it's hardly more effort to make them that to create specialised Sentry Pods. Note: This only goes for ships carrying large amounts of shuttles (such as the Galaxy) I see no problem with dedicated carriers using specialised drones.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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But there is the remaining ethical/moral conflict and the, in my opinion, wasteful use of holograms and shuttles.
When you go through the lengths to produce androids (less sophisticated/lobotomized ones - still moral conflict) to control the shuttle, why not just remote control/program an AI to control the shuttle directly? And why not simply use drones then instead of empty shuttles with wasted space?
Shuttles are in canon just not meant to fight starships. In STO, everything is used and based on it's function to fight which paints a pretty biased picture in my opinion.
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I don't think the ships computers have ever been classed as sentient, even if they were it would't matter as destroying a shuttle commanded by one would't kill the main computer.
Yes it is wasteful, I was just musing on the logistics of the existing shuttle pets ingame. In a dedicated carrier fighter pet I think it would be for the best if they were remote controlled.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Truthfully each has theidr pros and cons. Biological crewed fighters can make moral choices an override orders they feel are wrong in the feild, or react in a less automized an predictable manner, while needing more space an tech to survive. A drone/Ai controled fighter/shuttle is well more morally acceptable unless you take into account they can be completely removed from moral choice an indiscrimint with how they act once unleashed on a target, also using emp or hacking you could disable or turn them on their carrier increasing your enemy's compliment of ships. A hologram (in the vain of the portable or shielded versions like the Voyger's doctor)/android pilot you can make a redundency that if the ship's ai/computer is TRIBBLE they can override the hacking an remain on target, also as said keeps you have having a compliment of craft that have no other function than combat on your vessel.