Other possibility to improve this ship is making new console slot similar to Hangar, but for MVAM console. Then this ship will be a bit like carrier, with special attack patterns for each part of ship when it is in multi vector mode. One mode could be like all 3 parts fly in triangle formation, attacking the same target as we, and follow us. Another could be mode when all parts attack same target, they fly as we do, but around target (3 parts flies on circle around marked target). Third mode could be "do what you want" - each part do what it wants.
But one important thing - each part have to benefit from our equipment, traits, use weapons which we slotted, not default phaser weapons. Each part have to firepower compared to basic ship (maybe a little less) but not almost zero (like it is now).
Then command station maybe wouldn't be so bad. Uni ensign would be nice but not necessary.
They made an Escort into something that isn't very common, mainly because it was given a Command seat instead of what everyone more likely believe it should have being a Pilot/Intel seat. Though common sense does say it should of been Pilot/Intel oriented, that doesn't mean it has to be. It's like all the dorks in the game that have like 90 characters in their account and every single one use only Anti-Proton weapons - damn it is so freaking sad.
Still, I don't really care about the Command seat, what I do care is how this ship is still on the 4/3 weapon set up, why not 5/2 like the pilot ships?.. It also has pretty much the same exact stats as the T5-U, and it is even missing a Tactical console... It is a freaking T6 FFS, how the heck can it be missing a damn Tactical console? That makes no damn sense! On top of that it has no Universal station which would mean a lot with that Command seat there.
On top of all this, the following kills me even more; The pets of the MVAC T5-U die very easily, freaking hanger frigates last longer then both of them put together and I think this will be the same fate for the T6 version also. It also doesn't has any carrier commands on it to at least tell its 2 separated pets to attack your target or to guard a target. Instead, most of the time your 2 pets will wonder off and attack a huge group of enemies while you are on the other side of the map attacking other mobs - this in turn gets them killed in seconds. Still, seriously at least make it a damn 5/2 weapon set up
In short, this could of been the best ship in the game, but give it to CRAPTIC to just **** everything up, they should make that their company's motto. Sad part of all this is that I never seen Craptic change the stats of a ship when it comes out, never seen them change seats or whatever on ships they bring out, it's like they saying - "This is the ship and this is final, **** you"!
There is nothing wrong with it being a command escort, variety is needed. For me, the problem (for me) is the three tactical ensigns and the lack of universal station for customization. I also dislike the command on engi slot.
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There is nothing wrong with it being a command escort, variety is needed. For me, the problem (for me) is the three tactical ensigns and the lack of universal station for customization. I also dislike the command on engi slot.
That is also my main problem. Every T6 ship (beside the Excelsior) has an universal slot, most of them better than
ensing. And the hybrid slot is almost always not on a station that has only one option (like here the single eng slot).
So what's the point of breaking that rule with this ship (and the T6 Excelsior)?
Currently I'm really bummed out. The Prometheus is by far my favorite ship and I was really excited when the first
rumors about a T6 version came out a few month ago. I was hoping the ship could at lest reasonably compete with
the pilot escorts (which I find really ugly), it does not have to be on par but at least somewhere in the same ballpark.
The design looked awesome and the overall setup is fine. The 4/3 weapon setup is ok since I did not expect the
Prometheus to be 5/2 or 5/3 in the first place, the consoles are fine as well. I can deal with one less Tac-console on
the C-store ship since I would get the fleet version anyway. But that BOFF setup ruined it for me.
The upcomming T6 Defiant is also not an option, even though I expect it to be better due to the Defiant fanboys
and the ship being a main ship from the series and so, since I find that ship is one of the ugliest Fed Ships in
existance *grabs popcorn*.
There is nothing wrong with it being a command escort, variety is needed. For me, the problem (for me) is the three tactical ensigns and the lack of universal station for customization. I also dislike the command on engi slot.
That is also my main problem. Every T6 ship (beside the Excelsior) has an universal slot, most of them better than
ensing. And the hybrid slot is almost always not on a station that has only one option (like here the single eng slot).
So what's the point of breaking that rule with this ship (and the T6 Excelsior)?
Maybe they break the rule because they are also not ships that come with a cross-faction equivalent?
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There is nothing wrong with it being a command escort, variety is needed. For me, the problem (for me) is the three tactical ensigns and the lack of universal station for customization. I also dislike the command on engi slot.
That is also my main problem. Every T6 ship (beside the Excelsior) has an universal slot, most of them better than
ensing. And the hybrid slot is almost always not on a station that has only one option (like here the single eng slot).
So what's the point of breaking that rule with this ship (and the T6 Excelsior)?
Maybe they break the rule because they are also not ships that come with a cross-faction equivalent?
So just because the ships have no cross-faction equivalent is enough reason to give them a bad BOFF layout?
THIS is a Ship that People would like, THIS is a Ship that would sell, THIS is a Ship that would make sense, not that nonsense that they come up with. The way the Hestia is right now, its DEAD on Arrival.
And "DEAD on Arrival"? I wish. There'll be people who buy this. There are people who will buy anything. This game lives on them.
and those People who blindly buy everything - good or TRIBBLE - are the reason why cryptic gets away with this all the time, why they keep doing this.....*sigh*
That's a sweeping generalisation. Way too many posts in this thread which, basically, scream 'I don't like this ship so you shouldn't buy it'.
As I have said elsewhere; the BOFF layout could be better. I don't care - my only beef in that respect is that the Ensign Tac would be better served as a Uni; but I can live with that. And the rest? It can be made to work.
And fine, it won't be some uber-DPS machine (which seems to be what everyone is getting their panties in a twist about). I don't care. I have absolutely Z E R O interest in how high it's DPS can get - so long a it does respectable DPS, it'll be fine.
The fact is, it seems like the Hestia will lend itself to Eng and Sci Captains better than Tactical. And that, so far as I am concerned, is a good thing.
Seriously - if you want some uber-DPS escort, may I sugges waiting to see what they make of the upcoming T6 Defiant? Or if you are impatient, perhaps the pilot escorts, since they come at 'Fleet Quality' out of the proverbial box and are liable to remain a superior choice, courtesy of their inherent pilot abilities?
Anyway, I've purchased the Zen, will be buying the Hestia later today, and I will continue to play this GAME as I wish and will ignore the implication that I "will buy anything" simply because I like something that someone else doesn't.
I am saying what MOST People think anyway, you and other People who are defending such Nonsense are mostly Casual Players who dont care much for Details anyway and mostly Fly more "exotic" Builds that no one else would touch.
Just because some people like you like such "niche" Ships (or just the layout) that no one else touches ist not a justification to ruin it for everyone else.
Fact is compared to basically EVERY new Escorts that came out lately, the Hestia looks like a joke, you and some others may like this joke, bust most People will NOT, and no iam not someone whos a DPS Freak by far not, i do a good job thats it. But you know just because you dont care for your DPS does not mean others dont......
Anyway, why should ANYONE who allready has basically ANY of the other Escorts even waste a single thought about getting a ship with such a Awfull Layout? when what they allready have is Superior in any way?? is there something, ANYTHING that this thing can do that other Escorts cant do better? NO IT CANT, in fact this thing is BARELY even an Upgrade to the T5 or T5U Advanced Escort that also had that same Garbage Layout, one would think that with the T6 Version, they would Fix what was so BAD with the T5 but of course not......why make People happy right?
Lastly, iam not telling ANYONE to do this or that, THIS is MY (and most others) Oppinion, YOU have yours, its YOUR Money, you think this thing fits you? FINE Buy it, for me its a total Waste, and i repeat myself, i STILL cant believe that they came up with that Layout and STILL cant believe that they are really going to release it with that awfull Layout.......a Ship with such a Nice Design, is doomed to be a Niche Ship, what a Shame and Waste.
Just because some people like you like such "niche" Ships (or just the layout) that no one else touches ist not a justification to ruin it for everyone else.
Fact is compared to basically EVERY new Escorts that came out lately, the Hestia looks like a joke, you and some others may like this joke, bust most People will NOT, and no iam not someone whos a DPS Freak by far not, i do a good job thats it. But you know just because you dont care for your DPS does not mean others dont......
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I get where you are coming from, but as I said, this is a ship that will probably lend itself quite well to Sci and Eng Captains as oposed to Tactical.
Certainly, the first of my character's I'll try it on will be my main - a Science Captain. A character, I will note, who doesn't currently have access to an escort. That Lt-Cmdr Science BOFF seat means I can slot a higher level science ability on this ship - GWII, TRII or DRBII perhaps - or heal abilities to compensate for Eng stations being used for Command abilities. The command seat, regardless of where it is, will lend itself well to a build with a little more torpedo emphasis. I can work with that.
So yeah, I won't argue that it's probably a bit of a dud for someone looking for an escort that'll kill things very quickly, but I, personally, see it as an escort that lends itself pretty well to other avenues.
The Problem is...its NOT an Engineering ship and NOT a Science Ship, it IS or atleast is Supposed to be a ESCORT a Tactical Ship whos Role is mainly to do DAMAGE, so it should be able to compete with other Ships in this Role, and with that Layout thats NOT the Case. It doesnt have to be a Turbo Killer, a uber DPS Machine, but should also not fall short WAY behind other Ships of its Class and again thats the Case, with this Layout, ANY other Escort can do anything that the Hestia can MUCH better, so whats the Purpose, whats the Point of this Ship? How many People you see Flying the T5 Prometheus? not many? well gues why? cause SAME Garbage Layout that no one cares for, now they have the chance to fix this (they proved with other ships that they are capable to do so.....), are they using this chance? NOPE Slaping a New Costume on it, giving it a mostly useless Ship Trait and adding that POINTLESS Command Seat on the T5 and calling it a T6............thats DAMN expensive for a "Slight" Upgrade if you can consider this an Upgrade at all.
Also....no you are not going to put Gravity Well II on it, II and III are both Commander abilities, Grav Well I is the highest you can get............so you wanna use higher Sci Powers? that no this Ship is not for you....in fact i think only People who re Fans of the Prometheus would even Consider getting it anyway.....but with that Layout.........they have to be DIE HARD and i mean UBER DIE HARD Fans to Spend Money on it...or in your case people who like more exotic Builds that no one else cares, but for everyone his own.
by the way someone i just shared those thoughts agrees with me that.......a Science themed Build....in this Ships??? as a Torpedo Bomber....when you also admit that you dont care for DPS??....so you will have no Damage, you will be Squishy, Point Blank you will be Useless in any STF, any self Respecting Person wouldnt do this to his Teammembers......again whats the Point in this? Honestly?
So yeah, I won't argue that it's probably a bit of a dud for someone looking for an escort that'll kill things very quickly, but I, personally, see it as an escort that lends itself pretty well to other avenues.
Yeah, and by lending itself to "other avenues" it becomes useless for what most people would want to use it for.
A little more flexible BOFF setup would make this ship still usefull for "other" builds while making it also suitable
for it's role as an escort, which are after all ships primeraly for Tac Captains.
I can see why someone would come up with an escort design for Sci-Captains, but why would
you use one of the two essential Fed-Escorts to do that, ships that every Tac-Captain wants to
fly and plan their build around, instead of comming up with a new design for a Sci-Escort?
Also....no you are not going to put Gravity Well II on it, II and III are both Commander abilities, Grav Well I is the highest you can get............so you wanna use higher Sci Powers? that no this Ship is not for you....in fact i think only People who re Fans of the Prometheus would even Consider getting it anyway.....but with that Layout.........they have to be DIE HARD and i mean UBER DIE HARD Fans to Spend Money on it...or in your case people who like more exotic Builds that no one else cares, but for everyone his own.
I would consider myself as a pretty die hard Prometheus fan, and I still won't get this ship. Because
even though I like the Prometheus very much, I also want it to be a good ship that can keep up and
which plays the role that it was designed for and not some half TRIBBLE garbage compared to other ships
in the same class and tier.
Even as a Prometheus fan, I would rather fly something else than a bad Prometheus, which this is,
compared to the other T6 escorts.
The Hestia is clearly a ship offering for those who decide on looks, same as with the Galaxy variants. Not for those who need the best stats.
While I agree they could have made better work with the Boff layout (there are precedents for making the ensign universal - and that would be enough for me to consider it fine), it will still sell.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
The Hestia is clearly a ship offering for those who decide on looks, same as with the Galaxy variants. Not for those who need the best stats.
While I agree they could have made better work with the Boff layout (there are precedents for making the ensign universal - and that would be enough for me to consider it fine), it will still sell.
Best Stats? Hell some "normal" stats would be Fine allready, having the ensign as Universal, a Pilot or Intel Seat instead of the Command Seat AND on a LtComTac (downgrading the LtComEng to Lt Eng?) instead of Hybriding the only Eng station, and lastly giving it 5 Tac / 2 Eng / 3 Sci with a third Eng Console on the Fleet Version, is not OP or NO where Best Stats, for that it needs a 5 /2 Weapon Layout and the Pilot Maneuvers, so all we ask for is something that is GOOD, that is worth Flying it, and not Flying Garbage that is allready Outclassed by every other Escort in the Game before its even out! I really was sure that this "3 of the same Station Type on a ship" was something of the Past that they are now Fixing one by one with the "Upgraded" T6 but HELL even that is to much to ask for, instead, again 3 Tac Stations (DOH!) NO Universal Station at all (ugh...) a command Seat on what is supposed to be a ESCORT (wtf?) and with only 4 Tac Consoles, with the Fifth one only avaible on the Fleet Version....on an ESCORT (really?) so iam sorry but NO, there is NOTHING on this thing that one can Seriously Defend, its the WORST Layout that they could Possibly come up for it....looking at it makes the Resolute not look so bad anymore.......
You know I have been DIEING for a T6 upgrade for Advnced escort but the layout is awful no Pilot or int spot... big disapointment.. : ( PLEASE CHEANGE!!!
The Hestia is clearly a ship offering for those who decide on looks, same as with the Galaxy variants. Not for those who need the best stats.
While I agree they could have made better work with the Boff layout (there are precedents for making the ensign universal - and that would be enough for me to consider it fine), it will still sell.
Best Stats? Hell some "normal" stats would be Fine allready, having the ensign as Universal, a Pilot or Intel Seat instead of the Command Seat AND on a LtComTac (downgrading the LtComEng to Lt Eng?) instead of Hybriding the only Eng station, and lastly giving it 5 Tac / 2 Eng / 3 Sci with a third Eng Console on the Fleet Version, is not OP or NO where Best Stats, for that it needs a 5 /2 Weapon Layout and the Pilot Maneuvers, so all we ask for is something that is GOOD, that is worth Flying it, and not Flying Garbage that is allready Outclassed by every other Escort in the Game before its even out! I really was sure that this "3 of the same Station Type on a ship" was something of the Past that they are now Fixing one by one with the "Upgraded" T6 but HELL even that is to much to ask for, instead, again 3 Tac Stations (DOH!) NO Universal Station at all (ugh...) a command Seat on what is supposed to be a ESCORT (wtf?) and with only 4 Tac Consoles, with the Fifth one only avaible on the Fleet Version....on an ESCORT (really?) so iam sorry but NO, there is NOTHING on this thing that one can Seriously Defend, its the WORST Layout that they could Possibly come up for it....looking at it makes the Resolute not look so bad anymore.......
you know it might not have the best stats and i well tell you this DPS is not everything but on my trill tact captain i can work with the boff and still pull off high dps with the same build i almost use on my jem dread with some tweaking of some abilities and for the command seating eh i can work with it and still be fine since i am use to flying command ships as dps hogs.
The way I fly my MVAE T5-U at the moment doesn't really get too much harm from 3 tac stations. I fly her without attack patterns so use tact team in the ensign, and then spread my abilities between cannon, beam and torpedo in the other two stations. I have one DBB up front, everything else is cannon (except the Crystal torp and Borg cutting beam). The reason I have only one beam bank is because I have BOIII which I want to ensure that weapon alone makes use of... rather than diluting it to less punchy beam weapons at the back if I had them.
Again as an engineer I feel I can possibly mitigate some of the losses you speak of.
If I'm not mistaken, is the engineer/command slot promoted from the T5-U? Just wondering how I'd play with it.
Oh and before I get the "hahahahahahah noob!" lecture, I've been on since beta and play most nights... I also perform pretty well in CC Advanced.
As a tangential issue... wouldn't it make sense to unrestrict the specialization seats on all ships with that setting? That is to say that hybrid seats are hybrid tac/sci/eng and "specialization universal".
As a tangential issue... wouldn't it make sense to unrestrict the specialization seats on all ships with that setting? That is to say that hybrid seats are hybrid tac/sci/eng and "specialization universal".
"specialization Universal" thats what my Fiancee also Suggested and i agree 1 MILLION Percent, just let the People decide what Special seat they want to go for, charge 5 Bucks more if you want, but give us that Option.
and to everyone that says that they can make this thing work by doing x y and z....well yea even the WORST Possibly ship can do something, when setup Correctly, but this would only be an Option for People who want this Ship MAINLY because its Design, because they are Prometheus Fans, for everyone else, why bother when you can achive way better results with every other Escort?
and to everyone that says that they can make this thing work by doing x y and z....well yea even the WORST Possibly ship can do something, when setup Correctly, but this would only be an Option for People who want this Ship MAINLY because its Design, because they are Prometheus Fans, for everyone else, why bother when you can achive way better results with every other Escort?
Well that's exactly the point. This ship is clearly supposed to be a purchase for those liking the Design, not for those preoccupied by stats. And there's seemingly a lot of fans of that ship. Heck even I might get it because it still is an improvement of the T5 version (Yay, I can finally slot Eng team on it!) and I hate the look of other FED escorts.
And regarding your previous requests for 5 tac consoles on the non-fleet version: impossible, because the console layouts of the T5-U and T6 versions is the same. Identically, FT5-U and FT6 have the same console layouts. They'd have to change the existing ships people use - that would be a hell of a lot more problematic.
EDIT: Now I've noticed your sig about the future T6 Galaxy-X. I hope you're not expecting a Commander tac or something, because there as well, the best it could get is (like the Galaxy) a Lt.Commander tac. And it will get a 5th eng console, like the T5-U version.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
From a purely visual standpoint this is my new fav Fed ship in Star Trek period. I have always loved the Prometheus design since I saw "message in a bottle". I love the way it looks. As for the layout and what not, I can't say one way or another because truth is I have seen people do some crazy stuff with what could be considered unconventional setups. I look forward to it. Truth is I wil prob never be the greatest top 1% of DPS in the world but as long as I can enjoy the visual experience as I work my way up the ladder imrpoving I'll be happy. This ship is hot steamy sex on nacelles!
and to everyone that says that they can make this thing work by doing x y and z....well yea even the WORST Possibly ship can do something, when setup Correctly, but this would only be an Option for People who want this Ship MAINLY because its Design, because they are Prometheus Fans, for everyone else, why bother when you can achive way better results with every other Escort?
Well that's exactly the point. This ship is clearly supposed to be a purchase for those liking the Design, not for those preoccupied by stats. And there's seemingly a lot of fans of that ship. Heck even I might get it because it still is an improvement of the T5 version (Yay, I can finally slot Eng team on it!) and I hate the look of other FED escorts.
And regarding your previous requests for 5 tac consoles on the non-fleet version: impossible, because the console layouts of the T5-U and T6 versions is the same. Identically, FT5-U and FT6 have the same console layouts. They'd have to change the existing ships people use - that would be a hell of a lot more problematic.
This. VERY much this.
On reflection this reminds me of what an absolute lemon the T5 Galaxy class was 'back in the day'. We knew it was a lemon. We knew that there were better options. We knew that there was nothing that it could do that pretty much any other cruiser couldn't do better.
And yet, in spite of those failings, we used it anyway. Because those failings notwithstanding, LOTS of players wanted to fly a Galaxy class starship, so they did - stats be damned.
You know...using the Galaxy T5 is a very interesting example....yea that thing was a rotten Lemon with the Iconic Galaxy Design from TNG on it, thats why Fans of that Design got it EVEN so they knew how awfull the Layout was...but how many of those Galaxys were Flying around (STFs, PVEs) soon after?....not many...cause even most of the Fans of this Ships noticed that with that Layout this ship is NOT Fun to Play with and THOSE Fans were Raging and Raving on the Forums for YEARS for an Update for the Galaxy....after so much Time Cryptic listened and came up with the Andromeda Class that FIXES what was broken on the T5 Galaxy..now People can Fly their beloved Galaxy Class with the Nice Layout of the Andromeda......that was done RIGHT. Fans of the T5 Prometheus are not Different than that, also unhappy that their Favourite Ship has such a BAD Layout and therefore also asking for a Update of this Ship....well here is the new Prometheus aka Hestia.......did Cryptic listen this time like they did with the Galaxy Class? NOPE its basicaly the same as the T5 with slightest changes, but ALL the BAD things from the T5 are still in.....Why can they do it RIGHT on the Galaxy
>>>Andromeda but do it WRONG with the Prometheus
>Hestia....i dont get it, seriously i DONT.
The Designer of the Hestia did such a nice Job, its such a SHAME that it is Wasted on a Ship with this layout......
I PRAY to God (hell iam not even religious i dont believe in god) that they dont treat the upcomming T6 Defiant and T6 Galaxy Dreadnought like this, because those 2 Ships are what i Personaly look forward too!...................
You will most likely be disappointed in the T6 Defiant and Galaxy-X. For instance, neither will get a tac console slot, since their Fleet variants get the additional tac slot.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
I can deal with the subpar stats, the utter boredom of no universal boff stations, and atrocious command choice.
I cannot deal with lacking MVAM ability on the T6, the pet sections being nerfed and as worthless as my Odyssey's saucer that has nearly zero A.I., and making the T6 starship trait and console depend on a separate module that costs 2,500 zen, and then to top it all off as a whole rely on pets that will simply wander off and destroy themselves in warp core breaches while hopelessly trying to focus fire on a target without even so much as a basic user interface as found on flight decks and carriers.
"The Hestia Class Advanced Escort is the pinnacle of tactical starship design."
I get it that Cryptic/PWE have to release specialty ships (full intel/command/pilot/etc.) with build-in fun and effective abilities to make sure certain non-canon/canon-based designs don't flop in sales, and to feature that specialty tree to make canon-based ships even more appealing.
The way they are treating the "pinnacle of tactical starship" Prometheus however makes me wish CBS had a word with them for releasing a canon ship follow-up so sub-par that even fans (speaking for myself here) are put off and left with a bitter experience of what's supposed to be a Star Trek MMO.
I feel bad in advance for those many more Defiant and GalX fans, especially those who expect specialty ship performance.
This was on my list. I was anticipating it even before the rumors. But now having taken a look at the stats on the lotto chance they changed anything for the better, no they didn't. I can see nothing other than the appearance to draw me in to picking it up and that is just not enough. There will likely be die-hard Prometheus fans moreso even than I am, who will buy it, and I don't fault them. But for my own part, the Hestia is removed from my list unbought. My expectations for the rumored T6 Defiant/B'rel/T'varo pack is now greatly lowered, and may also be removed from my list unbought.
And the hybrid slot is almost always not on a station that has only one option (like here the single eng slot).
So what's the point of breaking that rule with this ship (and the T6 Excelsior)?
I think it because they know people will buy them for looks only- i.e. because they are an Excelsior and a Prometheus. By putting foolish BOFF layouts on them, they can save the good layouts for ships that otherwise wouldn't sell.
They get the best of both worlds.
Except for people like myself who are just sticking with their T5 versions. If I'm going to fly junk (but still effective ships) just for looks, I can fly what I already own and thank them for the visual upgrades they did.
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But one important thing - each part have to benefit from our equipment, traits, use weapons which we slotted, not default phaser weapons. Each part have to firepower compared to basic ship (maybe a little less) but not almost zero (like it is now).
Then command station maybe wouldn't be so bad. Uni ensign would be nice but not necessary.
Still, I don't really care about the Command seat, what I do care is how this ship is still on the 4/3 weapon set up, why not 5/2 like the pilot ships?.. It also has pretty much the same exact stats as the T5-U, and it is even missing a Tactical console... It is a freaking T6 FFS, how the heck can it be missing a damn Tactical console? That makes no damn sense! On top of that it has no Universal station which would mean a lot with that Command seat there.
On top of all this, the following kills me even more;
The pets of the MVAC T5-U die very easily, freaking hanger frigates last longer then both of them put together and I think this will be the same fate for the T6 version also. It also doesn't has any carrier commands on it to at least tell its 2 separated pets to attack your target or to guard a target. Instead, most of the time your 2 pets will wonder off and attack a huge group of enemies while you are on the other side of the map attacking other mobs - this in turn gets them killed in seconds. Still, seriously at least make it a damn 5/2 weapon set up
In short, this could of been the best ship in the game, but give it to CRAPTIC to just **** everything up, they should make that their company's motto. Sad part of all this is that I never seen Craptic change the stats of a ship when it comes out, never seen them change seats or whatever on ships they bring out, it's like they saying - "This is the ship and this is final, **** you"!
ensing. And the hybrid slot is almost always not on a station that has only one option (like here the single eng slot).
So what's the point of breaking that rule with this ship (and the T6 Excelsior)?
Currently I'm really bummed out. The Prometheus is by far my favorite ship and I was really excited when the first
rumors about a T6 version came out a few month ago. I was hoping the ship could at lest reasonably compete with
the pilot escorts (which I find really ugly), it does not have to be on par but at least somewhere in the same ballpark.
The design looked awesome and the overall setup is fine. The 4/3 weapon setup is ok since I did not expect the
Prometheus to be 5/2 or 5/3 in the first place, the consoles are fine as well. I can deal with one less Tac-console on
the C-store ship since I would get the fleet version anyway. But that BOFF setup ruined it for me.
The upcomming T6 Defiant is also not an option, even though I expect it to be better due to the Defiant fanboys
and the ship being a main ship from the series and so, since I find that ship is one of the ugliest Fed Ships in
existance *grabs popcorn*.
I am saying what MOST People think anyway, you and other People who are defending such Nonsense are mostly Casual Players who dont care much for Details anyway and mostly Fly more "exotic" Builds that no one else would touch.
Just because some people like you like such "niche" Ships (or just the layout) that no one else touches ist not a justification to ruin it for everyone else.
Fact is compared to basically EVERY new Escorts that came out lately, the Hestia looks like a joke, you and some others may like this joke, bust most People will NOT, and no iam not someone whos a DPS Freak by far not, i do a good job thats it. But you know just because you dont care for your DPS does not mean others dont......
Anyway, why should ANYONE who allready has basically ANY of the other Escorts even waste a single thought about getting a ship with such a Awfull Layout? when what they allready have is Superior in any way?? is there something, ANYTHING that this thing can do that other Escorts cant do better? NO IT CANT, in fact this thing is BARELY even an Upgrade to the T5 or T5U Advanced Escort that also had that same Garbage Layout, one would think that with the T6 Version, they would Fix what was so BAD with the T5 but of course not......why make People happy right?
Lastly, iam not telling ANYONE to do this or that, THIS is MY (and most others) Oppinion, YOU have yours, its YOUR Money, you think this thing fits you? FINE Buy it, for me its a total Waste, and i repeat myself, i STILL cant believe that they came up with that Layout and STILL cant believe that they are really going to release it with that awfull Layout.......a Ship with such a Nice Design, is doomed to be a Niche Ship, what a Shame and Waste.
MY Oppinion NO ONE has to like or Share it.
The Problem is...its NOT an Engineering ship and NOT a Science Ship, it IS or atleast is Supposed to be a ESCORT a Tactical Ship whos Role is mainly to do DAMAGE, so it should be able to compete with other Ships in this Role, and with that Layout thats NOT the Case. It doesnt have to be a Turbo Killer, a uber DPS Machine, but should also not fall short WAY behind other Ships of its Class and again thats the Case, with this Layout, ANY other Escort can do anything that the Hestia can MUCH better, so whats the Purpose, whats the Point of this Ship? How many People you see Flying the T5 Prometheus? not many? well gues why? cause SAME Garbage Layout that no one cares for, now they have the chance to fix this (they proved with other ships that they are capable to do so.....), are they using this chance? NOPE Slaping a New Costume on it, giving it a mostly useless Ship Trait and adding that POINTLESS Command Seat on the T5 and calling it a T6............thats DAMN expensive for a "Slight" Upgrade if you can consider this an Upgrade at all.
Also....no you are not going to put Gravity Well II on it, II and III are both Commander abilities, Grav Well I is the highest you can get............so you wanna use higher Sci Powers? that no this Ship is not for you....in fact i think only People who re Fans of the Prometheus would even Consider getting it anyway.....but with that Layout.........they have to be DIE HARD and i mean UBER DIE HARD Fans to Spend Money on it...or in your case people who like more exotic Builds that no one else cares, but for everyone his own.
by the way someone i just shared those thoughts agrees with me that.......a Science themed Build....in this Ships??? as a Torpedo Bomber....when you also admit that you dont care for DPS??....so you will have no Damage, you will be Squishy, Point Blank you will be Useless in any STF, any self Respecting Person wouldnt do this to his Teammembers......again whats the Point in this? Honestly?
A little more flexible BOFF setup would make this ship still usefull for "other" builds while making it also suitable
for it's role as an escort, which are after all ships primeraly for Tac Captains.
I can see why someone would come up with an escort design for Sci-Captains, but why would
you use one of the two essential Fed-Escorts to do that, ships that every Tac-Captain wants to
fly and plan their build around, instead of comming up with a new design for a Sci-Escort?
I would consider myself as a pretty die hard Prometheus fan, and I still won't get this ship. Because
even though I like the Prometheus very much, I also want it to be a good ship that can keep up and
which plays the role that it was designed for and not some half TRIBBLE garbage compared to other ships
in the same class and tier.
Even as a Prometheus fan, I would rather fly something else than a bad Prometheus, which this is,
compared to the other T6 escorts.
While I agree they could have made better work with the Boff layout (there are precedents for making the ensign universal - and that would be enough for me to consider it fine), it will still sell.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Best Stats? Hell some "normal" stats would be Fine allready, having the ensign as Universal, a Pilot or Intel Seat instead of the Command Seat AND on a LtComTac (downgrading the LtComEng to Lt Eng?) instead of Hybriding the only Eng station, and lastly giving it 5 Tac / 2 Eng / 3 Sci with a third Eng Console on the Fleet Version, is not OP or NO where Best Stats, for that it needs a 5 /2 Weapon Layout and the Pilot Maneuvers, so all we ask for is something that is GOOD, that is worth Flying it, and not Flying Garbage that is allready Outclassed by every other Escort in the Game before its even out! I really was sure that this "3 of the same Station Type on a ship" was something of the Past that they are now Fixing one by one with the "Upgraded" T6 but HELL even that is to much to ask for, instead, again 3 Tac Stations (DOH!) NO Universal Station at all (ugh...) a command Seat on what is supposed to be a ESCORT (wtf?) and with only 4 Tac Consoles, with the Fifth one only avaible on the Fleet Version....on an ESCORT (really?) so iam sorry but NO, there is NOTHING on this thing that one can Seriously Defend, its the WORST Layout that they could Possibly come up for it....looking at it makes the Resolute not look so bad anymore.......
Again as an engineer I feel I can possibly mitigate some of the losses you speak of.
If I'm not mistaken, is the engineer/command slot promoted from the T5-U? Just wondering how I'd play with it.
Oh and before I get the "hahahahahahah noob!" lecture, I've been on since beta and play most nights... I also perform pretty well in CC Advanced.
and to everyone that says that they can make this thing work by doing x y and z....well yea even the WORST Possibly ship can do something, when setup Correctly, but this would only be an Option for People who want this Ship MAINLY because its Design, because they are Prometheus Fans, for everyone else, why bother when you can achive way better results with every other Escort?
Well that's exactly the point. This ship is clearly supposed to be a purchase for those liking the Design, not for those preoccupied by stats. And there's seemingly a lot of fans of that ship. Heck even I might get it because it still is an improvement of the T5 version (Yay, I can finally slot Eng team on it!) and I hate the look of other FED escorts.
And regarding your previous requests for 5 tac consoles on the non-fleet version: impossible, because the console layouts of the T5-U and T6 versions is the same. Identically, FT5-U and FT6 have the same console layouts. They'd have to change the existing ships people use - that would be a hell of a lot more problematic.
EDIT: Now I've noticed your sig about the future T6 Galaxy-X. I hope you're not expecting a Commander tac or something, because there as well, the best it could get is (like the Galaxy) a Lt.Commander tac. And it will get a 5th eng console, like the T5-U version.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
You know...using the Galaxy T5 is a very interesting example....yea that thing was a rotten Lemon with the Iconic Galaxy Design from TNG on it, thats why Fans of that Design got it EVEN so they knew how awfull the Layout was...but how many of those Galaxys were Flying around (STFs, PVEs) soon after?....not many...cause even most of the Fans of this Ships noticed that with that Layout this ship is NOT Fun to Play with and THOSE Fans were Raging and Raving on the Forums for YEARS for an Update for the Galaxy....after so much Time Cryptic listened and came up with the Andromeda Class that FIXES what was broken on the T5 Galaxy..now People can Fly their beloved Galaxy Class with the Nice Layout of the Andromeda......that was done RIGHT. Fans of the T5 Prometheus are not Different than that, also unhappy that their Favourite Ship has such a BAD Layout and therefore also asking for a Update of this Ship....well here is the new Prometheus aka Hestia.......did Cryptic listen this time like they did with the Galaxy Class? NOPE its basicaly the same as the T5 with slightest changes, but ALL the BAD things from the T5 are still in.....Why can they do it RIGHT on the Galaxy
>>>Andromeda but do it WRONG with the Prometheus
>Hestia....i dont get it, seriously i DONT.
The Designer of the Hestia did such a nice Job, its such a SHAME that it is Wasted on a Ship with this layout......
I PRAY to God (hell iam not even religious i dont believe in god) that they dont treat the upcomming T6 Defiant and T6 Galaxy Dreadnought like this, because those 2 Ships are what i Personaly look forward too!...................
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
I can deal with the subpar stats, the utter boredom of no universal boff stations, and atrocious command choice.
I cannot deal with lacking MVAM ability on the T6, the pet sections being nerfed and as worthless as my Odyssey's saucer that has nearly zero A.I., and making the T6 starship trait and console depend on a separate module that costs 2,500 zen, and then to top it all off as a whole rely on pets that will simply wander off and destroy themselves in warp core breaches while hopelessly trying to focus fire on a target without even so much as a basic user interface as found on flight decks and carriers.
"The Hestia Class Advanced Escort is the pinnacle of tactical starship design."
I get it that Cryptic/PWE have to release specialty ships (full intel/command/pilot/etc.) with build-in fun and effective abilities to make sure certain non-canon/canon-based designs don't flop in sales, and to feature that specialty tree to make canon-based ships even more appealing.
The way they are treating the "pinnacle of tactical starship" Prometheus however makes me wish CBS had a word with them for releasing a canon ship follow-up so sub-par that even fans (speaking for myself here) are put off and left with a bitter experience of what's supposed to be a Star Trek MMO.
I feel bad in advance for those many more Defiant and GalX fans, especially those who expect specialty ship performance.
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Question; When is the Odyssey Class Retro Fit going to happen?
I think it because they know people will buy them for looks only- i.e. because they are an Excelsior and a Prometheus. By putting foolish BOFF layouts on them, they can save the good layouts for ships that otherwise wouldn't sell.
They get the best of both worlds.
Except for people like myself who are just sticking with their T5 versions. If I'm going to fly junk (but still effective ships) just for looks, I can fly what I already own and thank them for the visual upgrades they did.
I'm with you. If they stay true to form they will also be underwhelming. I don't expect to buy another ship in the foreseeable future.
I won't buy ships I enjoy from the shows if they are crippled. And I won't buy non-cripple Cryptic original designs.
The fleet version has always only 4 tiers of mastery. Only the C-store version of the ship has the 5th tier (=the starship trait).