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[VIDEO] The Wizards of STO Present: Trinity in STO

holofrogholofrog Member Posts: 111 Arc User
What if ... every death was final?
What if ... loosing even one ship cost you the mission?
What if ... you lived in a world where the Exeter and the Gladius were endgame?
What if ... only a paper thin hull stood between you and assimilation?
What if ... you needed a friend to keep you alive?
What if ... the only way to succeed was teamwork?

They said the 'trinity' didn't exist in STO.... they were wrong.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=oE2M6Co1oxA

Have fun while watching!
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    questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,328 Arc User
    What, no Oberth?

    I remember a previous video in the same style. Still nice.
    Can a link to the skillplanner builds be provided? Got a pretty good idea what was used, but I'd like to confirm it for myself.​​
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
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    jaymclaughlinjaymclaughlin Member Posts: 630 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    What, no Oberth?

    I remember a previous video in the same style. Still nice.
    Can a link to the skillplanner builds be provided? Got a pretty good idea what was used, but I'd like to confirm it for myself.​​

    Oberth is a Tier 1 ship. This was all Tier 2. We could have used the Rhode Island, but decided the Exeter and Gladius were better options.
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    bioixibioixi Member Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    That was really good, and I love the music.
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    jaymclaughlinjaymclaughlin Member Posts: 630 Arc User
    Finally got round to doing the video of this run from my perspective :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqVdHFIzgok&index=1&list=PLKWgvpUw_9HOpbvmHHIivgbcqXuF_WaJA
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    alfiedonoalfiedono Member Posts: 122 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    Wow I see lots of spreads and Kemo procs... :)

    Broken Cheese - We report it, you exploit it. Well done guys :)

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline/#/discussion/1203760/kemocite-laced-weapons-really/p7 :)
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    scarlingscarling Member Posts: 708 Arc User
    alfiedono wrote: »
    Wow I see lots of spreads and Kemo procs... :)

    Broken Cheese - We report it, you exploit it. Well done guys :)

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline/#/discussion/1203760/kemocite-laced-weapons-really/p7 :)

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    peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    alfiedono wrote: »
    We report it

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    Yea after using erm… sorry “testing” it yourselves for months now I'm sure…
    Post edited by peterconnorfirst on
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    felisean wrote: »
    teamwork to reach a goal is awesome and highly appreciated
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    alfiedonoalfiedono Member Posts: 122 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    alfiedono wrote: »
    We report it, you exploit it.

    Angel-Of-Peace-angels-10952900-426-414.jpg

    Yea after using erm… sorry “testing” it yourselves for months now I'm sure…

    Actually, we reported the issue 3-4 months ago, but only got to the bottom of exactly how broken it actually is more recently after persistent testing and investigation.

    At least, we don't slap broken TRIBBLE on T2 ships and go around glorifying our piloting skills and how awesome we are :)

    In any case, do you see me posting my broken cheese runs anywhere?
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    lordprotiuslordprotius Member Posts: 115 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    /golfclap....

    Another Broken Cheese Video.. brought to you by the wizards of STO... /yawns

    I use these videos as a way to show my fleet what NOT to do.... so thank you for yet another one for the archives...
    #Aux2batman Lives!!

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    darkknightucfdarkknightucf Member Posts: 1,546 Media Corps
    alfiedono wrote: »
    alfiedono wrote: »
    We report it, you exploit it.

    Angel-Of-Peace-angels-10952900-426-414.jpg

    Yea after using erm… sorry “testing” it yourselves for months now I'm sure…

    Actually, we reported the issue 3-4 months ago, but only got to the bottom of exactly how broken it actually is more recently after persistent testing and investigation.

    At least, we don't slap broken TRIBBLE on T2 ships and go around glorifying our piloting skills and how awesome we are :)

    In any case, do you see me posting my broken cheese runs anywhere?

    Hey, hey, hey.. lets be nice here.

    I'm welcoming them into the Kinetic Kommunity. We've been waiting for you guys for almost a year now....
    @Odenknight | U.S.S. Challenger | "Remember The Seven"
    Fleet Defiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support | Fleet Manticore Kinetic Strike Ship | Tactical Command Kinetic Siege Refit | Fleet Defiant Quantum Phase Escort | Fleet Valiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support
    Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
    "A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
    I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
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    alfiedonoalfiedono Member Posts: 122 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    alfiedono wrote: »
    alfiedono wrote: »
    We report it, you exploit it.

    Angel-Of-Peace-angels-10952900-426-414.jpg

    Yea after using erm… sorry “testing” it yourselves for months now I'm sure…

    Actually, we reported the issue 3-4 months ago, but only got to the bottom of exactly how broken it actually is more recently after persistent testing and investigation.

    At least, we don't slap broken TRIBBLE on T2 ships and go around glorifying our piloting skills and how awesome we are :)

    In any case, do you see me posting my broken cheese runs anywhere?

    Hey, hey, hey.. lets be nice here.

    I'm welcoming them into the Kinetic Kommunity. We've been waiting for you guys for almost a year now....

    Ah yes - my apologies,...If only they were true Kinetic converts, but I suspect the radiation cheese was what they were really after :(

    Btw, has Felisean responded to your welcoming mail yet?
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    darkknightucfdarkknightucf Member Posts: 1,546 Media Corps
    alfiedono wrote: »
    alfiedono wrote: »
    alfiedono wrote: »
    We report it, you exploit it.

    Angel-Of-Peace-angels-10952900-426-414.jpg

    Yea after using erm… sorry “testing” it yourselves for months now I'm sure…

    Actually, we reported the issue 3-4 months ago, but only got to the bottom of exactly how broken it actually is more recently after persistent testing and investigation.

    At least, we don't slap broken TRIBBLE on T2 ships and go around glorifying our piloting skills and how awesome we are :)

    In any case, do you see me posting my broken cheese runs anywhere?

    Hey, hey, hey.. lets be nice here.

    I'm welcoming them into the Kinetic Kommunity. We've been waiting for you guys for almost a year now....

    Ah yes - my apologies,...If only the were true Kinetic converts, but I suspect the radiation cheese was what they were after :(

    Btw, has Felisean responded to your welcoming mail yet?

    He has, but it was such a disappointing response that I think the Review Board will have to revoke his membership card. All he cares about is top DPS.

    @Odenknight | U.S.S. Challenger | "Remember The Seven"
    Fleet Defiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support | Fleet Manticore Kinetic Strike Ship | Tactical Command Kinetic Siege Refit | Fleet Defiant Quantum Phase Escort | Fleet Valiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support
    Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
    "A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
    I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
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    alfiedonoalfiedono Member Posts: 122 Arc User
    alfiedono wrote: »
    alfiedono wrote: »
    alfiedono wrote: »
    We report it, you exploit it.

    Angel-Of-Peace-angels-10952900-426-414.jpg

    Yea after using erm… sorry “testing” it yourselves for months now I'm sure…

    Actually, we reported the issue 3-4 months ago, but only got to the bottom of exactly how broken it actually is more recently after persistent testing and investigation.

    At least, we don't slap broken TRIBBLE on T2 ships and go around glorifying our piloting skills and how awesome we are :)

    In any case, do you see me posting my broken cheese runs anywhere?

    Hey, hey, hey.. lets be nice here.

    I'm welcoming them into the Kinetic Kommunity. We've been waiting for you guys for almost a year now....

    Ah yes - my apologies,...If only the were true Kinetic converts, but I suspect the radiation cheese was what they were after :(

    Btw, has Felisean responded to your welcoming mail yet?

    He has, but it was such a disappointing response that I think the Review Board will have to revoke his membership card. All he cares about is top DPS.

    What? Only caring about Top DPS and big numbers? No way...who would have guessed.
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    peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    alfiedono wrote: »

    At least, we don't slap broken TRIBBLE on T2 ships and go around glorifying our piloting skills and how awesome we are :)

    No, you do not. And I’m quiet confident you are really awesome in game yourself. The only thing that is saddening is the way you act in here. Your conversation with Odenknight illustrates it quiet well. Now if you need it, if it makes you feel better I don’t want to stop you.

    Yet, pointing your finger at 5 players who used kemocite/torpedo combos in an ISA run on Tier 2 ships feels just silly and not remotely necessary for a player of your standing. The ability is around for months now and used by hundreads of players. Urgs, one of my 9 chars is also left over with a torpedo and uses a copy of kemocite. Before that I was just about to give up my last build with a torpedo. With Kemo now I was wondering why he suddenly kept on grabbing first places in CCA and sticked with the torp. Ok broken cheese, got it…. I’m an exploiter now too right?

    As for you, if this ability is going to be adjusted or not by the devs will not change the fact that there are other players in game who are quiet good. The way you act does not give the impression that they are “exploiters” because they also happen to use kemo like countless others. It just gives the impression that you are upset and afraid they could be better than you are even on terms you don’t declare broken after you are done with your moth long testing.
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    felisean wrote: »
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    alfiedonoalfiedono Member Posts: 122 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    alfiedono wrote: »

    At least, we don't slap broken TRIBBLE on T2 ships and go around glorifying our piloting skills and how awesome we are :)

    No, you do not. And I’m quiet confident you are really awesome in game yourself. The only thing that is saddening is the way you act in here. Your conversation with Odenknight illustrates it quiet well. Now if you need it, if it makes you feel better I don’t want to stop you.

    Yet, pointing your finger at 5 players who used kemocite/torpedo combos in an ISA run on Tier 2 ships feels just silly and not remotely necessary for a player of your standing. The ability is around for months now and used by hundreads of players. Urgs, one of my 9 chars is also left over with a torpedo and uses a copy of kemocite. Before that I was just about to give up my last build with a torpedo. With Kemo now I was wondering why he suddenly kept on grabbing first places in CCA and sticked with the torp. Ok broken cheese, got it…. I’m an exploiter now too right?

    As for you, if this ability is going to be adjusted or not by the devs will not change the fact that there are other players in game who are quiet good. The way you act does not give the impression that they are “exploiters” because they also happen to use kemo like countless others. It just gives the impression that you are upset and afraid they could be better than you are even on terms you don’t declare broken after you are done with your moth long testing.

    Nope, I'm simply sick and tired of people who have a long track record and history of taking the newest broken piece of game mechanic (and I mean clearly broken and not WAI, not just "perceived" cheese) and using it to do some "remarkable" thing and showing it off to everyone as if they have accomplished something. And if you have a problem with me being upset with this sort of behaviour, then so be it.

    If I see TRIBBLE like this, I'll call it out as often as I please, and will continue to do so in the future.
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    nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    Everyone likes cheese.
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    peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    alfiedono wrote: »

    And if you have a problem with me being upset with this sort of behaviour, then so be it.

    Not even the slightest problem. :)

    Everybody is entitled to a personal opinion, and mine is forming up quiet well here.
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    felisean wrote: »
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    darkknightucfdarkknightucf Member Posts: 1,546 Media Corps
    alfiedono wrote: »

    At least, we don't slap broken TRIBBLE on T2 ships and go around glorifying our piloting skills and how awesome we are :)

    No, you do not. And I’m quiet confident you are really awesome in game yourself. The only thing that is saddening is the way you act in here. Your conversation with Odenknight illustrates it quiet well. Now if you need it, if it makes you feel better I don’t want to stop you.

    Yet, pointing your finger at 5 players who used kemocite/torpedo combos in an ISA run on Tier 2 ships feels just silly and not remotely necessary for a player of your standing. The ability is around for months now and used by hundreads of players. Urgs, one of my 9 chars is also left over with a torpedo and uses a copy of kemocite. Before that I was just about to give up my last build with a torpedo. With Kemo now I was wondering why he suddenly kept on grabbing first places in CCA and sticked with the torp. Ok broken cheese, got it…. I’m an exploiter now too right?

    As for you, if this ability is going to be adjusted or not by the devs will not change the fact that there are other players in game who are quiet good. The way you act does not give the impression that they are “exploiters” because they also happen to use kemo like countless others. It just gives the impression that you are upset and afraid they could be better than you are even on terms you don’t declare broken after you are done with your moth long testing.

    What Alfie and I are doing is having an (arguably) immature laugh at the hypocrisy that was perpetuated by two people who were not only laughing at people who used torpedoes, but would flat out forbid people from openly discussing it with new players into the DPS Leagues. One in particular wants to spread incorrect information about Neutronic and PEP torp, and I'm 'on the verge of sounding like an angry New Yorker' over it ;). Next thing you know, one of them will allude that it was their idea all along.....

    So, no. It's not that they want to organize team runs, or have fun showing off builds w/ different frames. Heck, we've done some of that on Valikin's streams. It's just the underhanded and snarky attitudes that they have behind people's backs when they're not in power that's "bothering" me. Hey, doesn't mean I can't have some polite fun with what they're doing, and still be sincere about aspects of their achievements when it's warranted.
    @Odenknight | U.S.S. Challenger | "Remember The Seven"
    Fleet Defiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support | Fleet Manticore Kinetic Strike Ship | Tactical Command Kinetic Siege Refit | Fleet Defiant Quantum Phase Escort | Fleet Valiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support
    Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
    "A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
    I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
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    sarcasmdetectorsarcasmdetector Member Posts: 1,176 Media Corps
    Wait wait, so the DPS-Pokemon admins are using torps now? I still remember when Felisean used to go apeshit on anyone who even mentioned torps in the 10k channel... even to the point of banning people. Hypocrisy?

    Come on, is it really a surprise that they would take others ideas and try to pass them off as their own. It's not like they have a history... ah wait, nevermind, just look at the title of this thread.
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    nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    Dps-pokemon hah .. Sorry that was funny. Carry on.
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    peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    I thought I was clear after Alfie but still have a bit of a hard time now …

    First came criticism towards the peeps which made the video for integrating torpedoes with broken game mechanics (radiation/kemo/multiple procs ec.),
    alfiedono wrote: »
    If I see .... like this, I'll call it out as often as I please, and will continue to do so in the future.

    then there comes criticism for advising against torpedoes when game mechanics where not broken and torpedo’s most likely didn’t keep up to common beam boats because of it,
    laughing at people who used torpedoes

    and now comes criticism for the possible claim who had the idea to use this approach first, which in this case would mean using an exploit.

    Come on, is it really a surprise that they would take others ideas and try to pass them off as their own.

    I’m really puzzled here. :|

    Just feels like you guys should get your priorities straightened out first before bringing in terms like hypocrite. Sorry.




    Post edited by peterconnorfirst on
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    deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    Torpedos became a viable build around DR. Before DR it wasn't... then the new rep torpedoes came out and... yeah.

    By the way I did invite MC along to show some folks in my fleet how badly broken some builds are. They were a little disturbed that their schimmy did not out dps a connie
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    xxxhellspawnyxxxxxxhellspawnyxxx Member Posts: 195 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    Wait wait, so the DPS-Pokemon admins are using torps now? I still remember when Felisean used to go apeshit on anyone who even mentioned torps in the 10k channel... even to the point of banning people. Hypocrisy?

    Come on, is it really a surprise that they would take others ideas and try to pass them off as their own. It's not like they have a history... ah wait, nevermind, just look at the title of this thread.

    Yeah, using torpedos on low tier ships is rocket science. And stolen by somebody else. :D

    It's not like they were used

    four months ago:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzhJOP0Ji3M

    half a year ago:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BMvhpCXJAM

    or even a year ago:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTQyucuz7yo

    Oh dear.





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    spaceeagle20spaceeagle20 Member Posts: 971 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    What about FAW then? Isn't it broken too? No, it's just a stupid AOE mechanic where you hit everything around you, without worrying too much about your position ... so much for piloting skills ... are you guys still using cannons in PvE? lol
    I don't think so since the only STF when cannons were actually required, that is NWS, has been removed :(


    I still remember when Felisean used to go apeshit on anyone who even mentioned torps in the 10k channel... even to the point of banning people. Hypocrisy?
    I remember people - no naming and shaming, of course - singing glorious songs about the Dragon build and they never got banned.

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    paxdawnpaxdawn Member Posts: 767 Arc User
    What about FAW then? Isn't it broken too? No, it's just a stupid AOE mechanic where you hit everything around you, without worrying too much about your position ... so much for piloting skills ... are you guys still using cannons in PvE? lol
    I don't think so since the only STF when cannons were actually required, that is NWS, has been removed :(

    People still use it. I am sure some wizard in whatever dps league can still hit 100k+ DPS with it or you can simply ask their parses. Remember, Optimal is different from viability. Dont need Beams if you are not aiming for #1 DPS in ISA. Different case though in different maps.

    I dont know where your FAW no position nonsense is coming from when you are doing 100k+ DPS using FAW in ISA.

    Since FAW doesnt need positioning as you stated nor piloting skills, Can you prove to me you can do 100k+ dps 10kms away from each mob in ISA in a pug with 4 random non dps players which you cannot click or use any buff and only spam space bar? I want with matching video and parse to see if you can hit 100k+ dps doing that.
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    darkknightucfdarkknightucf Member Posts: 1,546 Media Corps
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    Fleet Defiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support | Fleet Manticore Kinetic Strike Ship | Tactical Command Kinetic Siege Refit | Fleet Defiant Quantum Phase Escort | Fleet Valiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support
    Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
    "A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
    I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
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    alfiedonoalfiedono Member Posts: 122 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    I thought I was clear after Alfie but still have a bit of a hard time now …

    First came criticism towards the peeps which made the video for integrating torpedoes with broken game mechanics (radiation/kemo/multiple procs ec.),
    alfiedono wrote: »
    If I see .... like this, I'll call it out as often as I please, and will continue to do so in the future.

    then there comes criticism for advising against torpedoes when game mechanics where not broken and torpedo’s most likely didn’t keep up to common beam boats because of it,
    alfiedono wrote: »
    laughing at people who used torpedoes

    and now comes criticism for the possible claim who had the idea to use this approach first, which in this case would mean using an exploit.

    Come on, is it really a surprise that they would take others ideas and try to pass them off as their own.

    I’m really puzzled here. :|

    Just feels like you guys should get your priorities straightened out first before bringing in terms like hypocrite. Sorry.




    OK I think you have a great knack for taking people's statements out of context, and twisting their words around, as also demonstrated in another thread.

    But one simple request, if you're gonna quote someone, make sure you quote the right person - at least you can afford that courtesy right?

    alfiedono wrote: »
    laughing at people who used torpedoes
    ???


    Oh and I got to hand it to you. "advising against torpedoes" is a beautiful way to describe: DPS Shaming, spreading misinformation, ignorance and outright elitism.
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    alfiedonoalfiedono Member Posts: 122 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    Wait wait, so the DPS-Pokemon admins are using torps now? I still remember when Felisean used to go apeshit on anyone who even mentioned torps in the 10k channel... even to the point of banning people. Hypocrisy?

    Come on, is it really a surprise that they would take others ideas and try to pass them off as their own. It's not like they have a history... ah wait, nevermind, just look at the title of this thread.

    Yeah, using torpedos on low tier ships is rocket science. And stolen by somebody else. :D

    It's not like they were used

    four months ago:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzhJOP0Ji3M

    half a year ago:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BMvhpCXJAM

    or even a year ago:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTQyucuz7yo

    Oh dear.





    If I recall correctly, Oden sent Felisean his warm personal invitation to the Kinetic Kommunity in response to an ISA record run using a scimitar loaded with a neutronic torp. I would assume this incident is what he was referring to in relation to "hypocrisy". I remember Oden being extremely delighted when he heard the news. I think he is also planning to send him some projectile upgrade kits, to help him epic out his new toy :)
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    sinn74sinn74 Member Posts: 1,149 Arc User
    Hey, a video featuring the hilariously broken plasma doping Kemocite phenomenon.
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