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"Charge of the Light Brigade " quote

macwilliam1975macwilliam1975 Member Posts: 88 Arc User
edited September 2015 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I know I can't be the only one here. who is a descendant from someone from the Crimean War and possibly from someone who took part in the Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava.... but I guees it was a moment for chills for me because my Great great grandfather was in the Scots Greys, part of that charge and walked away from it. So for me the quote from the poem was a moment of goose bumps. It comes out of nowhere in the current F.E., and I suspect most people think it might be a bit cheesy, but it was not for me.

I guess I am throwing out a Thank You to whom ever it was in the dev team that this quote was your idea to be in the current F.E. Additionally, I am also curious of any who might be descendants as well?
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,502 Arc User
    It was used in DS9 so credit where credit is due.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1r9xljkCg0​​
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  • littlesarbonnlittlesarbonn Member Posts: 486 Arc User
    It comes out of nowhere when it does, and each time it kind of gives a bit of a chill. I am really impressed that it was used in the story as it was cause it's literally a "here goes nothing for everything" sort of moment.
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  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    The only issue I have with it, that it was quoted without much emotion. O'Brien sells it much better when he makes his quote.
    In the game it sounded like read from a school text book in class.
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  • lizweilizwei Member Posts: 936 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    But where 'Midnight' is concerned, it was very much a 'Iast stand' and doubt that whoever was quoting the famous poem was expecting to surive (and I, personally, think that they probably did lose in that particular timeline

    It's the same timeline. It's like the whale probe assault in Star Trek IV, there is no series of events that occurs without the protagonists, because they always come back.
    To put it another way, any timeline where you didn't return to stop the war is one where L'Miren got shot to pieces trying to retrieve the World Heart, T'Ket died stubbornly defending Iconia to the last and nobody got away.

    Yes I am nitpicking.
  • posianposian Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    I thought as well that it was words of a person who had accepted their fate and that was why it sounded so flat.
  • divvydavedivvydave Member Posts: 184 Arc User
    Agree with reyan01. And tbh it was a VERY nice suprise and had the hairs on my neck stand on end. was easily the best bit imo :)
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  • antonine3258antonine3258 Member Posts: 2,391 Arc User
    posian wrote: »
    I thought as well that it was words of a person who had accepted their fate and that was why it sounded so flat.

    Yeah - I liked Shon's delivery here - they're the walking dead at that point.
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  • fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    And afterwards Lord Cardigan who led the brigade went to his boat and had dinner with champaign. After playing some missions in the Iconian arc I can understand how he felt.

    As I remember the Scots Greys were part of the Heavy Brigade. They did not take part in the charge as their commander saw no use in spilling more troops in a useless attack. They did good work in the morning. It was their action that had to be followed up by the Light Brigade, but misscommunications led to a complete different action.
  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,016 Arc User
    fovrel wrote: »
    And afterwards Lord Cardigan who led the brigade went to his boat and had dinner with champaign. After playing some missions in the Iconian arc I can understand how he felt.

    As I remember the Scots Greys were part of the Heavy Brigade. They did not take part in the charge as their commander saw no use in spilling more troops in a useless attack. They did good work in the morning. It was their action that had to be followed up by the Light Brigade, but misscommunications led to a complete different action.

    All due to a scribbled note
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    • rogueaegianrogueaegian Member Posts: 20 Arc User
      Didn't the courier TRIBBLE up to? I remember reading about the battle a long time ago and the book I read said the commander of the light brigade asked the courier who delivered the orders for clarification and the courier basically pointed to the enemy artillery and said something like There is the enemy there are the guns.
    • macwilliam1975macwilliam1975 Member Posts: 88 Arc User
      questerius wrote: »
      It was used in DS9 so credit where credit is due.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1r9xljkCg0​​

      Yes, I remember that!



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    • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,016 Arc User
      edited September 2015
      rogueaegian wrote: »
      Didn't the courier TRIBBLE up to? I remember reading about the battle a long time ago and the book I read said the commander of the light brigade asked the courier who delivered the orders for clarification and the courier basically pointed to the enemy artillery and said something like There is the enemy there are the guns.

      Captain Nolan was the courier who misread the note to Cardigan, Nolan was later one of the first killed in the charge
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      • macwilliam1975macwilliam1975 Member Posts: 88 Arc User
        fovrel wrote: »
        And afterwards Lord Cardigan who led the brigade went to his boat and had dinner with champaign. After playing some missions in the Iconian arc I can understand how he felt.

        As I remember the Scots Greys were part of the Heavy Brigade. They did not take part in the charge as their commander saw no use in spilling more troops in a useless attack. They did good work in the morning. It was their action that had to be followed up by the Light Brigade, but misscommunications led to a complete different action.

        I stand corrected, you're right... they were part of the 5th Dragoon Guards which were the heavy brigade.
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      • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
        edited September 2015
        macwilliam1975 wrote: »
        I know I can't be the only one here. who is a descendant from someone from the Crimean War and possibly from someone who took part in the Charge of the Light Brigade at Balaclava.... but I guees it was a moment for chills for me because my Great great grandfather was in the Scots Greys, part of that charge and walked away from it. So for me the quote from the poem was a moment of goose bumps. It comes out of nowhere in the current F.E., and I suspect most people think it might be a bit cheesy, but it was not for me.

        I guess I am throwing out a Thank You to whom ever it was in the dev team that this quote was your idea to be in the current F.E. Additionally, I am also curious of any who might be descendants as well?

        No offense to you in particular, but in my head I was hearing Spock's voice saying, "A poem about a failed charge into an entrenched artillery position, ordered by a commander with an unhealthy cavalry obsession."

        Once ("Sacrifice of Angels") is poetic. Do it again and you're just trying to be cute for no good reason: see Nu!Spock screaming "KHAAAANNN!" in Into Darkness.
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      • antonine3258antonine3258 Member Posts: 2,391 Arc User
        Of course, Shon is quoting Tennyson's poem saluting the bravery of those serving while acknowledging the poor orders that got them there.
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      • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
        antonine3258 wrote: »
        Of course, Shon is quoting Tennyson's poem saluting the bravery of those serving while acknowledging the poor orders that got them there.

        Ah, so he's secretly taking a swipe at Zapp Kagran. Brilliant!
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      • paxfederaticapaxfederatica Member Posts: 1,496 Arc User
        questerius wrote: »
        It was used in DS9 so credit where credit is due.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1r9xljkCg0

        Of course:
        1. The section of the poem quoted there also gave us the title of "Boldly They Rode" from The 2800 arc.
        2. In keeping with the Charge of the Light Brigade theme, here's the perfect soundtrack for the opening battle:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G5rfPISIwo​​
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      • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
        starswordc wrote: »
        antonine3258 wrote: »
        Of course, Shon is quoting Tennyson's poem saluting the bravery of those serving while acknowledging the poor orders that got them there.

        Ah, so he's secretly taking a swipe at Zapp Kagran. Brilliant!

        Except Kagran was only responsible for mass slaughter of his own side in 'Broken Circle', his assault here is necessary and would have happened without without Kagran.​​
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      • bioixibioixi Member Posts: 764 Arc User
        paxfederatica wrote: »
        questerius wrote: »
        It was used in DS9 so credit where credit is due.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1r9xljkCg0

        Of course:
        1. The section of the poem quoted there also gave us the title of "Boldly They Rode" from The 2800 arc.
        2. In keeping with the Charge of the Light Brigade theme, here's the perfect soundtrack for the opening battle:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G5rfPISIwo​​

        I prefer this one:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnFSb8xcmN4
      • antonine3258antonine3258 Member Posts: 2,391 Arc User
        edited September 2015
        artan42 wrote: »
        starswordc wrote: »
        antonine3258 wrote: »
        Of course, Shon is quoting Tennyson's poem saluting the bravery of those serving while acknowledging the poor orders that got them there.

        Ah, so he's secretly taking a swipe at Zapp Kagran. Brilliant!

        Except Kagran was only responsible for mass slaughter of his own side in 'Broken Circle', his assault here is necessary and would have happened without without Kagran.​​


        Well, true - the other interpretation is it's a salute to accomplishing a mission in spite of knowing that you probably will die bravely.

        Just for ease of reference, I was using Wikipedia's copy of the poem for perusal
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      • captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
        Tbh, I found it overly melodramatic.
        It was a nice shout out to things like the charge of the light brigade, regardless. I also had ancestors at that battle, two of whom were in the charge (and also walked away).
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      • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
        artan42 wrote: »
        starswordc wrote: »
        antonine3258 wrote: »
        Of course, Shon is quoting Tennyson's poem saluting the bravery of those serving while acknowledging the poor orders that got them there.

        Ah, so he's secretly taking a swipe at Zapp Kagran. Brilliant!

        Except Kagran was only responsible for mass slaughter of his own side in 'Broken Circle', his assault here is necessary and would have happened without without Kagran.​​

        He should have been fired after "Broken Circle". Actually, strike that: he should've been executed for incompetence.
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      • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,016 Arc User
        starswordc wrote: »
        artan42 wrote: »
        starswordc wrote: »
        antonine3258 wrote: »
        Of course, Shon is quoting Tennyson's poem saluting the bravery of those serving while acknowledging the poor orders that got them there.

        Ah, so he's secretly taking a swipe at Zapp Kagran. Brilliant!

        Except Kagran was only responsible for mass slaughter of his own side in 'Broken Circle', his assault here is necessary and would have happened without without Kagran.​​

        He should have been fired after "Broken Circle". Actually, strike that: he should've been executed for incompetence.

        I agree entirely, Kagran handed the alliance their worst defeat ever in the Iconian War with that attack
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        • bioixibioixi Member Posts: 764 Arc User
          theraven2378 wrote: »
          starswordc wrote: »
          artan42 wrote: »
          starswordc wrote: »
          antonine3258 wrote: »
          Of course, Shon is quoting Tennyson's poem saluting the bravery of those serving while acknowledging the poor orders that got them there.

          Ah, so he's secretly taking a swipe at Zapp Kagran. Brilliant!

          Except Kagran was only responsible for mass slaughter of his own side in 'Broken Circle', his assault here is necessary and would have happened without without Kagran.​​

          He should have been fired after "Broken Circle". Actually, strike that: he should've been executed for incompetence.

          I agree entirely, Kagran handed the alliance their worst defeat ever in the Iconian War with that attack

          I'm afraid I'll have to defend Kragan on this, the enemy outnumbers you and is more technologically advanced, you cannot win an attrition war, you cannot win by directly engaging their forces, they have no supply lines and they can strike anywhere they want so defense is not an option.

          Their entire invasion, however, relies in the herald sphere, it's both their command center, their gateway hub and their beach head.

          Tactically speaking, throwing every single ship at that sphere, trying to catch the heralds by surprise was the only way to win the war (if you rule out time traveling deus ex machina shenanigans).

          Still, I disagree with the execution, I would have tried to make the sphere's sun go supernova.
        • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
          starswordc wrote: »
          artan42 wrote: »
          starswordc wrote: »
          antonine3258 wrote: »
          Of course, Shon is quoting Tennyson's poem saluting the bravery of those serving while acknowledging the poor orders that got them there.

          Ah, so he's secretly taking a swipe at Zapp Kagran. Brilliant!

          Except Kagran was only responsible for mass slaughter of his own side in 'Broken Circle', his assault here is necessary and would have happened without without Kagran.

          He should have been fired after "Broken Circle". Actually, strike that: he should've been executed for incompetence.

          I assume he's Jampoks brother or something, it's the only reason I can see why Korren or Worf haven't killed him.
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          I'm afraid I'll have to defend Kragan on this, the enemy outnumbers you and is more technologically advanced, you cannot win an attrition war, you cannot win by directly engaging their forces, they have no supply lines and they can strike anywhere they want so defense is not an option.

          Their entire invasion, however, relies in the herald sphere, it's both their command center, their gateway hub and their beach head.

          Tactically speaking, throwing every single ship at that sphere, trying to catch the heralds by surprise was the only way to win the war (if you rule out time traveling deus ex machina shenanigans).

          Still, I disagree with the execution, I would have tried to make the sphere's sun go supernova.

          He's guilty of a criminal lack of patience. The weapon was almost complete. We weren't going to be beaten any harder in the tiny while longer it would have taken to complete.​​
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        • chiyoumikuchiyoumiku Member Posts: 1,028 Arc User
          Where it was used in Midnight, it was appropriate. The last stand. Three ships ride into a time portal and the expectancy of success or return is unknown. It sent chills down my spine, making me wonder, the hell is going on back there while we're trying to end this war from the past. Bravo, Cryptic. Bravo.
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        • nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
          artan42 wrote: »
          starswordc wrote: »
          artan42 wrote: »
          starswordc wrote: »
          antonine3258 wrote: »
          Of course, Shon is quoting Tennyson's poem saluting the bravery of those serving while acknowledging the poor orders that got them there.

          Ah, so he's secretly taking a swipe at Zapp Kagran. Brilliant!

          Except Kagran was only responsible for mass slaughter of his own side in 'Broken Circle', his assault here is necessary and would have happened without without Kagran.

          He should have been fired after "Broken Circle". Actually, strike that: he should've been executed for incompetence.

          I assume he's Jampoks brother or something, it's the only reason I can see why Korren or Worf haven't killed him.
          bioixi wrote: »
          I'm afraid I'll have to defend Kragan on this, the enemy outnumbers you and is more technologically advanced, you cannot win an attrition war, you cannot win by directly engaging their forces, they have no supply lines and they can strike anywhere they want so defense is not an option.

          Their entire invasion, however, relies in the herald sphere, it's both their command center, their gateway hub and their beach head.

          Tactically speaking, throwing every single ship at that sphere, trying to catch the heralds by surprise was the only way to win the war (if you rule out time traveling deus ex machina shenanigans).

          Still, I disagree with the execution, I would have tried to make the sphere's sun go supernova.

          He's guilty of a criminal lack of patience. The weapon was almost complete. We weren't going to be beaten any harder in the tiny while longer it would have taken to complete.​​

          crazy idea, maybe he didn't want to use the weapon for similar reasons as pretty much everyone didn't. and the rushed attack was a last ditch effort to not try something far dumber then the failed attack. granted we made the weapon work, in a totally different way then originally intended, but we also come very close to all being borg from testing the thing. only plot armor and star trek love affair with the reset button saved us.

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        • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
          nightken wrote: »
          crazy idea, maybe he didn't want to use the weapon for similar reasons as pretty much everyone didn't. and the rushed attack was a last ditch effort to not try something far dumber then the failed attack. granted we made the weapon work, in a totally different way then originally intended, but we also come very close to all being borg from testing the thing. only plot armor and star trek love affair with the reset button saved us.

          We probably should have tried to get the help of the Undine and Voth (and maybe the Tholians) first before mucking around with time. Even if we did use time travel we could have used the Guardian of Forever or a slighshot manoeuvre round a sun.

          I think there were far more options than just 'send every ship we've got' or 'erase them from time'.​​
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