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The Iconian Disaster
craigthemaster
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Well the last mission is here, did they nail it, NO. What a way to end a mission. Kind of not thought it through and I would politely ask you take your writers into the parking lot, place them against the wall and shoot them. The Iconians are plain and simple, aggressive, always have been. There probe tech shuts down ships and there gate way tech which they used to invade other worlds was used 200.000 years ago to invade worlds, It wasn't until they banded together and were forced to leave the galaxy into sub space.
They spent years observing races and there development, planning on how to invade the entire galaxy. Yeah using the Elachi was good, the fact they fled from a world that is now the Romulan home world. The better ending would have been this.
The Krenim weapon dissolved the Iconians from history, restoring the Romulan home world, and a few other races along the way, also a few other unknown effects. The Borg did not need to come into the missions and assimilate the Romulan Home world. The Romulan Star Empire could have been returned and they could then be used as a FULL faction with new sectors and missions to be released at a later date. There would of been way, way much more you could of done with this, I think Cryptic were stuck or afraid to make a big choice in this and went for.
"oh hello, remember me, Yeah the guy you been fighting with in the last eight featured missions, the same guy that caused all them deaths 200.000 years ago. No, what if I show you this lovely blue orb here, OHHHH now you remember..... I love you man..... No I love you man.... Lets love everyone and make peace, forget about how you killed BILLIONS of people, destroyed half the galaxy, destroyed most of the ships in the entire Federation, Kdf and Republic, and not to mention whipped out an entire Empire by making not one, but TWO Stars go SUPER NOVA"
It's okay for you to hold a grudge for 200.000 years and then kill everyone, why was it not okay to wipe you from existence. Cryptic, Yes you have failed on a galactic scale here. Please, please try again. Just delete that mission, forget we played it and redo it. I would be all for it. Oh and hire some new writers as you shot the last ones. WIN!
They spent years observing races and there development, planning on how to invade the entire galaxy. Yeah using the Elachi was good, the fact they fled from a world that is now the Romulan home world. The better ending would have been this.
The Krenim weapon dissolved the Iconians from history, restoring the Romulan home world, and a few other races along the way, also a few other unknown effects. The Borg did not need to come into the missions and assimilate the Romulan Home world. The Romulan Star Empire could have been returned and they could then be used as a FULL faction with new sectors and missions to be released at a later date. There would of been way, way much more you could of done with this, I think Cryptic were stuck or afraid to make a big choice in this and went for.
"oh hello, remember me, Yeah the guy you been fighting with in the last eight featured missions, the same guy that caused all them deaths 200.000 years ago. No, what if I show you this lovely blue orb here, OHHHH now you remember..... I love you man..... No I love you man.... Lets love everyone and make peace, forget about how you killed BILLIONS of people, destroyed half the galaxy, destroyed most of the ships in the entire Federation, Kdf and Republic, and not to mention whipped out an entire Empire by making not one, but TWO Stars go SUPER NOVA"
It's okay for you to hold a grudge for 200.000 years and then kill everyone, why was it not okay to wipe you from existence. Cryptic, Yes you have failed on a galactic scale here. Please, please try again. Just delete that mission, forget we played it and redo it. I would be all for it. Oh and hire some new writers as you shot the last ones. WIN!
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The history could have been we return with the blue ball thingie from the past along with a fleshy M'Tara for the amezement of the present day Iconians or a servitor or an enemy ship or enemy soldier carcass to make them see and... Bringing a NEW threat in the form of those that bombarded the planet (OR those that made them a catspaw way back when) originally, because they wanted the iconians rendered unable to travel in time forcing them into subspace... with more baddies to bring WITH the option to BUY in the C-STORE an Iconian Iccobar or etc ship.
They dropped the ball so hard it is sad...
WE could have the Slaver Empire back or the enemies of the Taguans... But no, Cryptic decided to drop the ball. I'm so frustrated.
Really weak. Ok, you want to set things up for Andromeda? There are better ways to do this. I thought we were into a real conflict point with T'kal, something that would build to a fight with them at the gateway and a moment of difference--but no....
Predestination paradoxes suck to play through as much as to live through, it seems. I guess that's Star Trek for you. Even after the militarization of the Borg, then Dominion, then Klingon war, they'll snap back to happiness and flowers at the drop of a hat. (Klingons, too!)
Maybe the Foundary community can create the "Real Iconian War Ending" mission?
Bah,
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LMFAO, That is an interesting point, and surly they wouldn't have taken 200.000 years to make Hobus go Super Nova. I am left scratching my head in confusion as to why they bottled it.
I agree, the start with the space battle is great, but that's all Cryptic seem to be good at, making space fights. I think we should of stuck it to a vote, three story ark choices. Easy way outs suck. Really not looking forward to Season 11.
i dont like the ending to. Was to... ya "easy". There were outlanders 200.000 years ago, helped the iconians to escape. YA IT WAS ME!
Otherwise: how it should have endet? Change the Timeline? Romulus restored, Iconians all died after the escape try.
It was really the easy way and really, i thought i had some choices of i help the iconians or not, sad all endet same.
Otherwise the Klingon said: The Alliance cant stand against the iconians, the krenim weapon were the last Chance and it was, we traveled back helped the iconians. They remember and ya all happy. Billion died, whole nations erased but who cares. We are still in "war" with T'ket so we can still fight against the heralds ^.^
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Sela's temper tantrum was strictly necessary. As one of the possible player responses makes it clear, it was a predestination paradox. It had already happened, it was the reason the Iconians went all evil and invasion-y.
T'Ket's "Romulan" -line was a bit contrived, but explainable since Kagran had been there for some time already.
As usual, there could've been more meaningful player choices. As it is, the mission had a good amount of dialogue options, but few of them seemed to affect anything. I only noticed one time where Sela had clearly different lines based on whether I agreed with her or not.
But mostly it was great.
No it didn't. It erased an asteroid that would lead to the discovery of Iconia.
Erasing the Iconians from time was discussed but agreed to have desastrous consequences on the development of power structures in the quadrant over the next 200000 years.
Text book Star Trek ending. If you don't like that, this is the wrong franchise for you.
Because we are not them.
It was a weak ending, anyone saying otherwise firmly has there tongue placed where the sun don't shine. It was an easy ending. Was not a text book ending, just an ending and a poor one at that. Seriously if you think that was good you must be reading some poor children's stories.
Also, why are you so agressive? Did you get beat up by a schoolyard bully or something?
The Iccobar were definitely warmongers. It's possible their fate was similar to that of the Iconians(destroyed by a coalition of their enemies).
The Dinasians... definitely seemed to want to create bioweapons. Maybe they killed themselves with them?
The other race? not sure what their name was. But they complained about repeated plagues afflicting their race.... maybe they succumbed?
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I do admit, the plot became sort of predictable the moment that TRIBBLE Sela went all "let's deprive them of any hope of survival while they're defenseless and about to be obliterated." So far, it had always been uncertain whether or not the Iconians were truely evil, or just simply victims of the jealousy of less advanced species, so all in all it's only natural the conflict would end on a positive note instead of just total annihilation of the Iconian civilization. To be honest, i didn't really like the direction the game had been taking with the new storyarc (Really, all those war propaganda posters during the loading screens... Was i seriously playing a Star Trek game?), so i did found that last Feature Episode pretty refreshing.
I also think the predestination paradox idea is rather clever, and definitely in the mood of a classic TNG episode.
It also occured to me - Iconia might have been evacuated and the World Heart been lost to time, but there was probably still plenty of stuff lying around that the coalition forces might have taken apart and reverese engineered - and maybe the worries of the Iconians were justified, and they basically destroyed themselves (or each other) with technology they were not ready for.
That’s the only thing that bugged me as well there. Other than that I liked the ending of the Iconian war just fine.
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I was desperately trying the whole mission to complete the objectives, ie., kill all Iconians. Never had I been given the opportunity to do so: regardless of your answers, you end up with saving them instead of eliminating them for good.
At the end, you bargain for peace with the two remaining Iconians. There would have been no war at all, and countless lives would not have been lost, if there hadn't been any war to begin with! Kill those 12 survivors and we spare billions of lives on Romulus and countless other worlds and onboard of all those starships we lost in combat. If the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the 12, then it was the most ethical and humane thing to do!
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The fact they used Sela as a way out was too easy. The Krenim weapon was designed to dissolve portions of the time line. All of a sudden you can go back in time. And right at the moment there just about to get invaded too. And the little blue orb that saved the Galaxy. What a load of Goo lol. There is nothing to reference any of this happening in any Star Trek T.v, Film and game and they stretched it to a breaking pint where i just ended up being really bad ending.
A few of the missions are okay, Harry Kim should stay dead, and don't get me started on Kurland, Dam that guy.....
It don't matter what happened to the other races, it was 200.000 years ago, most civilizations don't last that long, you have wars, disease, natural disasters. A lot can happen. Fact is, there all gone, maybe they grew up and moved on to bigger and better things.
God that's so right, I completely agree. Restoring the Romulan Empire would of had so much more interesting things. Could of opened up a lot of doors for further story arks. The Romulans would of been an interesting enemy. A great full faction with new stories and missions, new sectors of space. Well never mind. We can always have another go at the Iconians.
There was no way they could of known, Romulans, Klingons and Humans were all cave people chucking stones at one another. Weird.
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For example, they could've read it somewhere on Sela's outfit. Remember how we were scanned at the start?
I'm sure she's got a badge somewhere that has the word Romulan on it, among others.
Or Kagran coul've mentioned her race in the two weeks he was there. Or Sela mentioned it herself "offscreen".
Or they screwed up during production and forgot to add "For Romulus!!" in that cutscene. Because that's what she actually yells in the german version.