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War's over, but I don't think this was ever explained.
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if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
The Iconians were peaceful hippies like the Federation until their civilization was destroyed.
How do the Preservers keep up with current events? Maybe I need to replay that episode
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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As for how they know about modern stuff: it is implied that from time to time Preservers are woken to explore the galaxy to see what their children are up to, returning to download new information into their data storage. It is then possible that when a Preserver is woken to interact with the modern world, the latest updates are downloaded into his brain.
"Know that your death brings me no joy, but the story demands it."
She would have punched Worf if he had been there too.
Bad writing 101. You do not imply a weakness and then never follow up on it.
This is basically what happened in Mass Effect, though this isn't as bad as you only end up appeasing the paranoid genocidal lunatics and not actively working for them.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
He never had a chance. "The honorable warrior always wins" and I don't remember T'ket's minions firing an omega particle beam at Kahless, or interfering with the fight in any other way.
So the Preservers didn't have to die.
Also goes with the logic about this stupid war. If it was all was because of Sela, then what was the point of the Iconians dragging almost every sentient species into this war in the first place? Would've been more logical if the Iconians merely wanted to restablish their Empire and was taking any means necessary. But nope, not it. Starting to feel like Divide et Imperia had a better plot.
That is what they were doing. As a result of the Lesser Races rallying against them, it's clear that mistrust, open contempt, and outright hatred borne through as far as their approach to reasserting themselves. They couldn't simply return to Iconia and restore it. They need to eliminate the Lesser Races as potential threats.
Thats a reasonable explaination, but that plot has never been elaborated.
You should take your own advice since it was specifically stated a couple of times that Sela's action IS the reason for the war.
The Iconians never got revenge on the Icobar or the other races that turned Iconia into a desert for millenia. The Preservers did nothing to the Iconians and T'ket destroyed them all along with their planet. The Delta Quadrant species had zero interaction with the Romulans (prior to the gate) and they were dragged into wars. The Undine had nothing to do with the Romulans and dragged into starting wars. And the Alpha Quadrant races pretty much were enemies with the Romulans. So by what logic does getting other species to start wars have to do with getting revenge on the Romulans?
Trying to reconcile their actions in the 'present' with what went down in the past is just a headache IMO. Their motivations are really strange.
They recognized Romulans despite them not existing yet. And kept a grudge long enough to specifically target the Romulans for extinction (but not the Vulcans). Yet they helped Sela rise to power, and even had her as a captive for a prolonged period of time without recognizing her.
On the other hand-they didn't notice the potential six or so Klingons (if you went with an all klingon team) that *did* help them escape-one of them even shielding them with their body-not in the potential millenia of time in which they were aware of the Klingons existence through the Hurq were they able to put one and one together-instead they are one of the few species specifically targeted by the Iconians. By genetically engineering the Feklhri to attempt to murder them all. Yet spend five seconds in the same room with one of them while holding their magic ball, and they instantly recognize you specifically.
They forget their millennia-long quest to subjugate/exterminate all life that might challenge them (and apparently not even only in this galaxy, since they have at least one base in the Andromeda galaxy) the moment we show up and wave that bauble under their noses, despite taking a decidedly 'ends justify the means' approach in the past, murdering the preservers, for example. For another, their treatment of the Dewans, whom they not only abandoned immediately (this takes place right after they go through the gate) and even sabotage the gate to exterminate them as a species. In fact, the episode entirely ignores the dewans, despite them being their 'servitors' at this time (I think Cryptic is trying to sweep under the rug the 'iconians have always been evil jerks' personna the have been running with for ages)
Iconians come across as rather insane, IMO. And this episode didn't really help that.
Exactly, instead of resolution it created more questions.
And I forgot about the Andromeda Galaxy, because the Kelvans could be another innocent race that was caught up in this Iconian war. Because they were forced to flee the Andromeda Galaxy millenia ago, to find a new home because of raising radiation. Since the Iconians were hiding there, begs the question if they were responsible?
Granted it is late and maybe I need some sleep, but your post makes no sense. It is almost as if you contradict yourself.
Iconians were going to get their revenge anyway, what Sela did was just make sure that the Romulans received "special" treatment.
1) Kagran might have told them, probably also in an effort to gain their trust so he could fulfill the plan.
- Kagran had no reason to conceal their races from them, since the plan at the time of their arrival was to kill all Iconians. No survivors that could plot their revenge against Sela or the Romulans or the entire Galaxy. But even if he had reason to expect they would not achieve this goal - the Iconians did attack everyone, not just the Klingons, Romulans and all the species in my personal away team. Everyone. Knowing a specific race's name is meaningless.
- If you want to lie, you keep your story simple. Making up false alien races is not simple.
2) It could be that Sela herself or anyone on the away team mentions it. The cut scene before we go off to save the World Heart implies that the group was seperate for a while, as the different away team members (both NPCs and BOFFs) are coming slowly together.About the Preservers
We might never learn why they were targeted - which was kinda the point of killing them.
But my guess would be that the Preservers might know enough about the Iconian physiology and genetics that they could have helped us defeat them. The talk with the Preserver suggested that the Iconians themselves didn't realize how much they have changed after the destruction of Iconia.
The Preservers might have known specific weaknesses or even have the ability to undo the Iconian alterations. Or they might be able to repeat the modifications and apply them to us, so we can defend ourselves.
Curiously, that would shift the 'fault' of the destruction of Romulus to Kagran, which I don't think is what the devs intended. At any rate, 'Romulan' was never mentioned in the episode, so it's not really a concrete answer to the problem of how the Iconians knew to target the folks of Romulus instead of any other vulcanoid species. As far as we know, they didn't exterminate the mintakans who are visually indistinguishable from Romulans, not did they go after the Vulcans. At the same time, they can't tell that their near holy-status 'other' might have themselves been of the same species as Sela.
Again, I don't think the 'Iconians are clueless' excuse goes very far to establishing a 'memorable' villain. There wasn't anything the Preservers could have conceivably shared that would have been of military interest. Iconians aren't even biological creatures anymore, so any information on their genetics or physiology would be be utterly useless. And the preservers themselves were complete pacifists. There was no good reason for the genocide.
I would assume the former. As I said the focus was about Sela attacking the Iconians. Remember she said, "I was the cause of Hobus". This was shortly after T'ket said he would remember the Romulans because of it.
There was nothing in the dialogue that even hinted that the war was because they "dropped the ball" (aka World Heart).
You know, I can't deny that Kagren could've told them. But realistically I just can't fathom him giving out racial specifics. "I got friends coming through the portal. One's a human, the other is a Romulan in a Dominion ship". Seems like an odd thing to say given the Iconians in the past wouldn't know anything about these races.
That's the part that I feel contradicts the Iconian ending. Because in the Breen Arc, did they not say they wouldn't give technology that could cause harm to another?
The Preserver who was slain in the cut scene was in the act of accessing data on the Iconians, which he intended to give to the PC.
The Iconians discovered we had knowledge of the Preservers, and acted specifically on those Preservers of whom we were aware. They got the information from the data banks on New Romulus.
But, with all their time as the supreme species of the galaxy, did the Iconians never meet Preservers? Of course they did. The Iconians most likely knew the location of every Preserver in the universe, especially since Preservers were still active as late as Earth's Holocene Epoch.
The Iconians chose that specific target because it was a military intelligence asset of their enemy. It was almost as if the Iconians were sad that we had found it, thus forcing them to destroy it.
They were sad, at least M'Tara was. When the Preserver tries talking her down, M'Tara pretty much says that it's far too late to stop this and says it in a defeated tone.