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What I would like to see in Season 11 or 12

So there are many a-posts of what people want from Season 11, so I want to share what I would like to see, and why. Whether my fellow STO gamers agree or not, they have their own reasons to do so but this is my own opinion. I first of all want to say that I greatly enjoy the game as a whole, even though sometimes it can be rather frustrating I still have loads of fun. The leeps the game has made since I started playing in 2012 have been fantastic, and besides not liking the current state of the game feeling like it is a Grind-fest/Maximum DPS Hunt, I plan to stick with the game for the long run.

I would like to see the Half Season releases done away with along with the constant episode and ship releases. I liked it better when we got a Full Seasons worth of Expansion Pack content including new ships back when the New Romulus and Solanae Dyson Sphere expansion packs came out. Sure we had to wait forever for them to be made, and wait forever to get them downloaded and patched but they were worth the time. I feel that the Iconian War was rushed and has been rather "Blah" except for the last 2 episodes which I enjoyed the challenge of "Time in a Bottle" and going toe to toe with the Iconian Queen, and wish it were released like New Romulus and the Solanae Expansions were.

I would love to see all previously removed missions from the Romulan Mystery, Borg Collective, and Undine Advance some how worked back into the episode arcs they originally came from. This applies to Memory Alpha which doesn't necessarily have to be an R&D location, but a location in which new players can fraternize, along with ALL Nebula/Clusters/Expanses which is a great way for players to not only collect R&D supplies but also level up to the next rank while still being able to do the DOFF Assignments.

For the next Expansion/Season 11 should be the centered around the Cardassians and their struggles. A player should have the option of being a Cardassian/Alpha Quadrant Jem'Hadar/Vorta/Breen/New Link Founder and decide whether to side with the Federation/Klingons/Romulan Republic/or the True Way. It would be sort of structured off of the New Romulus format while all races can explore the Gamma. That being said I would like to see the Mirror Universe become a solid influence besides the few missions during the Cardassian Struggle episode arc or the Mirror Invasion PvE, maybe as a reputation system.

For "Future Seasons" I would like to see maybe a peace treaty with the Iconians, because not all Iconians may follow M'Tara's beliefs and the Alliance exploring the Andromeda Galaxy, which Sela said the Herald Sphere is from, along with searching for all the other Iconian Gateways and Dyson Spheres, and exploring further galaxies away from the Milkyway.

I would like to see in the future to being able to change the appearance of our rewarded BOFFs like the Jem'Hadar, Reman, Voth, and Breen. If we have acquired their represented race outfits via Reputation System, Lobi Shop, or C-Store and have those outfits accessible to all BOFFS, then the Jem'Hadar Lobi outfit for example should be accessible for the Jem'Hadar BOFF. I like the fact that we can now change the appearance of the Romulan BOFFs acquired from the Fleet Embassy, but I would like to have all the Republic Outfits, even the Federation/Romulan Hybrid uniform, also making it so ALL hair styles is available regardless of faction. Some Romulan hair styles would look rather sharp on a Federation Human officer. As for the Exchange BOFFS, (like my Orion I got when I hit Diplomatic rank of Ambassador) I would like the option of dressing her in Federation uniforms from time to time, especially now that the Federation/Klingon War is over, or have the option of doing the reputation projects to get the Honor Guard Ground sets just for her.

People have told me that the "Captain's Table use to be a hopping place. I would like to see sometime in the future the Table expanded. Maybe have a club in there like Club 47 before the Undine attacked Spacedock. I have noticed that people also like to go into PvEs at that location, so would there should be a Shipyard officer there for quick access to a desired ship for a select PvE. Alsofor those of us who are lifers, can we get a button so we can Transwarp to the table or at least in front of the Aenigma Nebula.

Last but not least I want to suggest the idea of more Combat Pets for both ground combat and space combat. For Space combat, I think it would be sweet to have that little extra fire power or at least sacrificial lamb. Each ship would have an extra device slot in which you can put your Space Combat Pet, which being a lifer I would put a Captain's Yacht if ever made.
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    thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,105 Arc User
    Add more "meat" to the Iconian War.
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    Typhoon Class please!
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    artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    Something with Breen and Tholians. I want to take a Typhoon up against their dreadnoughts.
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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    mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    I wonder if Season 11 will mean the Iconian War is over, or if they stretch things?

    What I definitely want is some discussion of the aftermath of the War. We didn't get to experience the aftermath of the Dominion War (only some novels deal with it), and this one looks like it's at least as bad as the Dominion War was, maybe worse. I want to see us see rebuild what was destroyed, deal with the problems of refugees that lost their homeworld. (Maybe in the background, there could also be some new DOFF assignments?)


    If it's over, Season 11: War's End.
    Some missions that involve rebuilding worlds, and keeping the peace between members of the Delta Alliance. Dealing with pirates.
    And rebuilding a world. Maybe New Romulus second phase. Needs some clever way to create tasks worthy of doing? Or another planet. Maybe a major home world that got devastated in the war. Betazed, Khitomer, Andoria?
    And a looming threat - or chance - the Dominon is becoming more open and we get to visit the Gamma Quadrant.

    Season 12: Exploration
    It's exploration time. Finally. Both the Delta and Gamma Quadrant are now open for us. Maybe even Fluidic Space, as Species 8472 "calms" down and loses some of its xenophobia.
    As a threat - maybe someone broke out of the Dominion? The Tholians? We still don't know what they are up to, and they might have emerged best out of the war. The Breen could also have potential.
    Better not the Borg, unless Cryptic is willing to bring that threat to an end.

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    rakija879rakija879 Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    I would like to see the return of captain Kurland in his new tire 6 defiant.
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    architect13architect13 Member Posts: 1,076 Arc User
    Something with less lag . . . other than that, I don't care :)
    Have you tried the new forum on your phone?
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    thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,105 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    -Can you crack my code ? :) -

    Enterprise stuff
    Night sky for SFA
    Testing (Test your stuff!)
    Extra costume slots
    Romulan outfits (more!)
    Prequel missions (Maybe some stuff added to the previous story arcs or new arcs added in.)
    Reputations (they'll come regardless)
    Imperial Starfleet outfit (Terran Empire)
    Seductive dance emote
    Exotic clothing
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    More mini games
    Additonal starship traits
    Cardassian player faction
    Organians
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    Omnicordial Lifeforms.
    Undine player faction
    Team based challenges (Old infected style missions)
    Foundry stuff
    Iconian tactical officers
    Tovan Khev discharge button
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    Typhoon Class please!
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    artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    thay8472 wrote: »
    -Can you crack my code ? :) -

    It says 'I will stop playing on the forums and get back to the foundry and finish off my mission'.

    Am I close B)
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

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    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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    flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User

    #1 Cardassians (playable within the existing factions - and with ships included).

    #2 As already requested, more Breen and Tholian content. Whilst the Breen arc was wrapped up, there's still a lot that can be done with them. The Tholian arc was never finished. About time we had that story told.

    #3 Suliban (within the Republic)

    #4 More Character Options; we can currently play as Tactical, Engineers or Scientists. Why not allow us to now play as Intelligence Officers, Command Officers and Pilots?

    #5 T6 Odyssey, Bortas and Scimitar

    #6 T6 Vesta, T6 Andorian Escort, T6 Vulcan Science Ship, T6 Ferasan Escort/Destroyer/Raider/Carrier

    #7 Female Nausicaan

    #8 Time Travel FE Series - lets meet Johnathan Archer, T'Pol, Shran and Hikaru Sulu; I'm sure Scott, Jolene, Jeffrey and George would be more than up for some voicework.

    #9 Garak (voiced by Andrew Robinson) along with Odo (voiced by Rene Auberjonois)

    #10 Day/Night/Season cycles on Earth, Qo'nos & Mol'rhian
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    hunterguyver4hunterguyver4 Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    All good ideas I am reading :smile:

    I definitely agree with some of the ideas that the Breen and Tholians need to be explored more, especially during this "War", and will even toss out another idea, maybe getting the Terran Empire getting explored more rather than a few missions, enemy engagements, and the Mirror Invasion PvE.


    flash525 wrote: »
    #8 Time Travel FE Series - lets meet Johnathan Archer, T'Pol, Shran and Hikaru Sulu; I'm sure Scott, Jolene, Jeffrey and George would be more than up for some voicework.

    #9 Garak (voiced by Andrew Robinson) along with Odo (voiced by Rene Auberjonois)

    #10 Day/Night/Season cycles on Earth, Qo'nos & Mol'rhian

    I never even considered Time Travel, and use of the Guardian, maybe they could even get Shatner :smile: I definitely would love to see Garak return and Odo, but I have a feeling the only way we see him, is if he is an Ambassador to the Great Link and returns to DS9 or if we get a Gamma Quadrant expansion :smiley: As for day/night/seasons, I think that would be perfect on all the worlds, not just Risa or New Romulus when you land to start helping the fledgling Romulan colony out and have the seasons (and their events) last as long as the actual season is.
    rakija879 wrote: »
    I would like to see the return of captain Kurland in his new tire 6 defiant.

    Speaking of Kurland now that you mention him, I am surprised Starfleet hasn't pulled him from DS9 temporarily to fight against the Iconians. After replaying the Klingon War arc last night, to farm energy credits, I also suspect we may see Captain Walker and his Wells class again before this war is over. I am hoping that he and his crew get involved in at least one major battle that might even turn the tide.

    I wonder if Season 11 will mean the Iconian War is over, or if they stretch things?

    What I definitely want is some discussion of the aftermath of the War. We didn't get to experience the aftermath of the Dominion War (only some novels deal with it), and this one looks like it's at least as bad as the Dominion War was, maybe worse. I want to see us see rebuild what was destroyed, deal with the problems of refugees that lost their homeworld. (Maybe in the background, there could also be some new DOFF assignments?)

    If it's over, Season 11: War's End.
    Some missions that involve rebuilding worlds, and keeping the peace between members of the Delta Alliance. Dealing with pirates.
    And rebuilding a world. Maybe New Romulus second phase. Needs some clever way to create tasks worthy of doing? Or another planet. Maybe a major home world that got devastated in the war. Betazed, Khitomer, Andoria?
    And a looming threat - or chance - the Dominon is becoming more open and we get to visit the Gamma Quadrant.

    Season 12: Exploration
    It's exploration time. Finally. Both the Delta and Gamma Quadrant are now open for us. Maybe even Fluidic Space, as Species 8472 "calms" down and loses some of its xenophobia.
    As a threat - maybe someone broke out of the Dominion? The Tholians? We still don't know what they are up to, and they might have emerged best out of the war. The Breen could also have potential.
    Better not the Borg, unless Cryptic is willing to bring that threat to an end.

    All fantastic ideas I agree that an aftermath is needed. Like you have stated we didnt get one for the Dominion War. I can definitely see New Romulus having to be rebuilt, along with Qo'nos (so many was to spell that name X.X, lol.) and Earth (which I suspect may be attacked in the future, they seem dead set on attacking each faction homeworlds.)

    I actually want to see a missions, in which we get to help the Dominion against the Iconians or plead for their help, to help ease not just the burden of the Alliance, but to open possible negotiations for exploring the Gamma Quadrant and possible alliances between the Dominion and other Gamma Quadrant races and the Alliance. Maybe even have the Iconians destroy or ravage the Tholian and Breen homeworlds so that they too join the Alliance.

    I would actually like to see the Tal Shiar and the Deferi (even though they are more like pacifists, and probably trying to recover what little may remain of the Preserver archive) get involved in the war which may or may not help the rest of the quadrant. I am actually surprised that the only Delta Quadrant race we are seeing involved in the Iconian War are the Krenim and a few Vaadwaur ships. I would like to see some missions in which where the Delta Alliance (including the allied Kazon) and Voth get involved with the Iconians betraying the Vaadwaur causing them to join the fight, because they can be the rather aggressive ally all the alliances need to beat the Iconians. I also think that if done right Species 8472 would be a great ally because they were able to blow the Jenolan Dyson Sphere doors off, and send in massive waves of ships and Planet Destroyers. Too Bad B'Vat isnt around for this war :wink: with his Planet Destroyer, the Empire could have sent him on a mission to destroy as much of the Herald Fleets as possible :lol:

    Which could lead to some enemy emerging from the ashes and chaos of the war to start building up for the threat of the Temporal Cold War (which SHOULD NOT HAPPEN for at least 7 COMPLETE seasons on this game). Mind you I havent watched Enterprise at all except for a few Season 1 episodes, so I have no idea about the totality of the Temporal Cold War except that a certain race feared an alliance between all races of the Galaxy.

    As for the Borg, I want that story to finally be over, but maybe with a massive battlezone in Borg space and on planets Assimilated by the Borg even taking back the Vega Colony, which players can get marks instead of doing the same old PvEs over and over and over again or the Deferi Battlezone.
    thay8472 wrote: »
    Add more "meat" to the Iconian War.

    And last but not least Thay8472, I agree with you that they need a lot more meat to the Iconian War....Substantially A LOT MORE meat. As I said before I was a little disappointed that we did not get the IW like we got the New Romulus/Under the Raptors Wings Expansion or the Solanae Dyson Sphere expansion. We got a multitude of things to do: daily missions, PvEs, Story Missions, Daily Red Alert Actions, DOFF Assignments which we could earn a hand full of marks, 1 ground and 2 Space battlezones. They should have released the IW that way, so we have the content to keep us busy until the next season.

    Now that I got my thinking juices flowing, I think it would also be nice to see the following incorporated in future seasons
    - Planet Baku which could be a Vacation spot just like Risa or turned into a planet to help heal those from the War.
    - The Nexus and Viridian 3 (maybe a way to try and bring Kirk into the game. Cause he could be a great asset to the Federation again
    - The Son'a joining the Alliance in their war against the Iconians which has made me wonder, what would Subspace weapons to to the Iconians which also made me wonder, what would Thalaron weapons do to them as well.
    - Space Station Regula 1 and a possibility of renewing Genesis on worlds that were life was extinguished by the Iconian War
    - and for those of us who love the new movies, I would like to see more ships like the Narada, have it maybe as a Tal Shiar supership, and the Federation Ships from Star Trek 2009, and have a mission where you have to try and stop the destruction of Vulcan or something,
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    artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    Breen / Tholian alliance with added Son'a.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


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    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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    bubblegirl2015bubblegirl2015 Member Posts: 830 Arc User
    Something with less lag . . . other than that, I don't care :)


    I have lower expectations than that...how about just keeping the server working and still being "online" mouse-34.gif
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    hunterguyver4hunterguyver4 Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    But I also want the most are MORE missions that are creepy mission like "What Lies Beneath." LOVE that map no matter how many times I play it because it reminds me A LOT like the classic DOOM games and Unreal/Unreal 2 games.
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    captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    T6 Tmp connie.
    Make it so.
    I need a beer.

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    flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    Breen / Tholian alliance with added Son'a.​​
    I'm not so sure about that Alliance. Both the Breen and Tholian are xenophobic, and I doubt they'd have a solid reason to form an alliance. It's possible they'd join forces against a common threat, but I can't see those two factions forming an actual alliance. The Son'a either; they'd be even less likely to be in an alliance with either of those two (simply because the Breen would consider them weak, and the Tholian would have no interest in them).

    That said, the Son'a do need to be introduced in STO. I'm truly amazed that we never got a Son'a Lock Box early in the game; sometime after the Dominion one, but before the Tal Shiar and Temporal stuff came out way. For all the Son'a shortcomings, they've some awesome looking ships.

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    solarwraithsolarwraith Member Posts: 188 Arc User
    A shiny new game engine that would allow them to show the effects of "war" in progress. A shiny new engine that would allow them to code a proper color palette for the game. A shiny new engine that would finally shut Kurland up in Boldly they rode. Oh, one more thing, ability for Starships to have true 3-Dimensional flight...no more death spiral needed for a Y plane maneuver.
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    solarwraithsolarwraith Member Posts: 188 Arc User
    T6 Tmp connie.
    Make it so.

    I'd prefer a T7 Phoenix.
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    risingwolfshadowrisingwolfshadow Member Posts: 619 Arc User
    Separation of gear stats for PvP and PvE.
    Gradual PvP revamp.
    Current truce with Klingons done away with (long live the mighty empire!).
    Story arc to support gamma exploration, Klingon empire expansion into Gamma quadrant and political friction with federation and cardassia. Hopefully with optional tying this in to PvP a little bit and fleets to boost the community.

    A major nerf/removal of all the TRIBBLE abilities and consoles that are plaguing the game at the moment (kemocite, plasma, DRB, etc...).
    Missions/tutorials/NPCs that teach players how to fight instead of teaching them to fly in circles with epic gear with a max dps build.
    A challenging AI. The only real challenge anyone ever got in this game was season 8.5 PvP. Now it's all child's play for players who don't know how to build ships for something other than DPS (there are exceptions of course).
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    elric071elric071 Member Posts: 159 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    thay8472 wrote: »
    -Can you crack my code ? :) -

    Enterprise Maco Outfit?

    To the OP, though, I'd like to see a few more space battlezones and maybe a new open PvP map ala "Kerrat" that has a less PvE focus and more of a PvP focus. Perhaps change the award structure....I don't know...but I would like to see it...lol

    As for battlezones, I love the Undine one, I wouldn't mind seeing a Vauwaar one (even though we've passed that story) and a Herald one too. I guess I like the battlezone format and would like to fight a different enemy in a battlezone than just the Undine/Voth.

    Qapla'!

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    artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    flash525 wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    Breen / Tholian alliance with added Son'a.
    I'm not so sure about that Alliance. Both the Breen and Tholian are xenophobic, and I doubt they'd have a solid reason to form an alliance. It's possible they'd join forces against a common threat, but I can't see those two factions forming an actual alliance. The Son'a either; they'd be even less likely to be in an alliance with either of those two (simply because the Breen would consider them weak, and the Tholian would have no interest in them).

    That said, the Son'a do need to be introduced in STO. I'm truly amazed that we never got a Son'a Lock Box early in the game; sometime after the Dominion one, but before the Tal Shiar and Temporal stuff came out way. For all the Son'a shortcomings, they've some awesome looking ships.

    Both are incredibly xenophobic, but you know what they say 'opposites attract' :p. The mystery of them could make an alliance work, maybe they've been colluding together to take out the Iconians behind the Alliances back.

    As for the Son'a, I just wanted them in-game and as they are ex-allies of the Dominion I thought I'd stick 'em with the Breen. Maybe as slaves of the Breen or something. ​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


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    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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    flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    Both are incredibly xenophobic, but you know what they say 'opposites attract' :p. The mystery of them could make an alliance work, maybe they've been colluding together to take out the Iconians behind the Alliances back.
    Opposites attract, sure, but not here. :P Whilst the Breen are xenophobic, they do play with others on occasion (Dominion, Cardassian, Son'a). The Tholian don't. The Tholian are xenophobic to all other species in general, the Breen, they're more secretive and isolated I suppose. I guess the Tholian just don't like any species that isn't crystal.

    There's more likely to be an alliance between the Breen and Son'a than the Breen and Tholian. I don't think the Son'a would ever be slaves to the Breen; they're too stubborn for that, though I do agree with you in that it would be nice to see them around. Maybe one of their scientists will find a biological weapon to weaken the Iconian?
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    artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    flash525 wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    Both are incredibly xenophobic, but you know what they say 'opposites attract' :p. The mystery of them could make an alliance work, maybe they've been colluding together to take out the Iconians behind the Alliances back.
    Opposites attract, sure, but not here. :P Whilst the Breen are xenophobic, they do play with others on occasion (Dominion, Cardassian, Son'a). The Tholian don't. The Tholian are xenophobic to all other species in general, the Breen, they're more secretive and isolated I suppose. I guess the Tholian just don't like any species that isn't crystal.

    There's more likely to be an alliance between the Breen and Son'a than the Breen and Tholian. I don't think the Son'a would ever be slaves to the Breen; they're too stubborn for that, though I do agree with you in that it would be nice to see them around. Maybe one of their scientists will find a biological weapon to weaken the Iconian?

    The Tholians had an ambassador on DS9, that's more than the Breen had. ​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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    flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    The Tholians had an ambassador on DS9, that's more than the Breen had.​
    True, but then I would imagine that had more purpose. It was likely better for the Tholian Assembly to provide the other major powers with a single Tholian Ambassador each, than to mingle like the Breen did with the Cardassian and/or Dominion. The Breen fought side by side with the Jem Hadar. Can you imagine a Tholian fighting side by side with a Starfleet Officer?

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    artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    flash525 wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    The Tholians had an ambassador on DS9, that's more than the Breen had.​
    True, but then I would imagine that had more purpose. It was likely better for the Tholian Assembly to provide the other major powers with a single Tholian Ambassador each, than to mingle like the Breen did with the Cardassian and/or Dominion. The Breen fought side by side with the Jem Hadar. Can you imagine a Tholian fighting side by side with a Starfleet Officer?

    No, but I also could't imagine the Breen fighting alongside the Cardassians either. ​​
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    I have one of my own ridiculous requests. Playable Q please!
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    flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    No, but I also could't imagine the Breen fighting alongside the Cardassians either.​
    Except we knew very little about the Breen, whereby with the Tholian, we know enough to make the above conclusion. :wink:

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    artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    flash525 wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    No, but I also could't imagine the Breen fighting alongside the Cardassians either.​
    Except we knew very little about the Breen, whereby with the Tholian, we know enough to make the above conclusion. :wink:

    We know the Breen are down with keeping Cardassian slaves (that episode where Dukat and Kira team up for something) and they don't answer hails, the Tholian's on the other hand are at least polite enough to answer hails (Tholian Web). ​​
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    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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    flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    We know the Breen are down with keeping Cardassian slaves (that episode where Dukat and Kira team up for something) and they don't answer hails, the Tholian's on the other hand are at least polite enough to answer hails (Tholian Web).​​
    I would hazard a guess that the Breen aren't subjective when it comes to slaves. The only reason we saw those of the Cardassian is because Dukat had to go save/murder his daughter.

    The Tholian, I guess whilst they're xenophobic, they're still curious. They're willing to compromise; give intruders a chance to leave before they open fire on them. The Breen are hostile and have worked with other hostile forces. We've never seen, or heard of a Tholian working with anyone else.

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    artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    flash525 wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    We know the Breen are down with keeping Cardassian slaves (that episode where Dukat and Kira team up for something) and they don't answer hails, the Tholian's on the other hand are at least polite enough to answer hails (Tholian Web).
    I would hazard a guess that the Breen aren't subjective when it comes to slaves. The only reason we saw those of the Cardassian is because Dukat had to go save/murder his daughter.

    The Tholian, I guess whilst they're xenophobic, they're still curious. They're willing to compromise; give intruders a chance to leave before they open fire on them. The Breen are hostile and have worked with other hostile forces. We've never seen, or heard of a Tholian working with anyone else.

    But we haven't really seen the Breen working with anyone. True they weren't vapourising the Cardassians in the Dominion but they were clearly only allied with the Dominion itself. I'd imagine they were only with the Dominion for a short term boost anyway, they don't exactly need the Dominion, they've vanished an entire Klingon battlefleet in the past.

    Also, in the Mirror Universe the Gorn work with the Tholians. No races in the Mirror Universe (save for the Humans) are really any different so it could also apply to the Prime Universe. ​​
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    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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