Typhoon combat battlecrusier rescue thread

wolfkaboomthe1st · July 2015

i have come to voice something rather annoying that i hope others are annoyed at recently the command battlecruiser was released on to sto and with it i thought that the Typhoon class starship would be released with it as one of the alternate skins but it wasn't fair enough.
but then i noticed something instead of adding it in later the typhoon is slowly being replaced with command battle cruisers this must stop its frustrating as i really like this ship http://imgur.com/FtMAgpk

yiweitech · July 2015

I, and I'm sure many others as well, support this cause. The typhoon was a beautiful ship and it's a damn shame we never got to see it become playable.

jbmaverick · July 2015

I think I may have seen a Typhoon at the end of the most recent Featured Episode when my ship returned from the Herald Sphere, but because it was a cutscene I wasn't able to investigate properly.
Edit: took another look today while running for the weekly reward, I'm pretty sure the ship in the lower left of the screen when you warp in to the research facility following the battle is a Typhoon and not one of the Command Cruisers.

I do think given some work the Typhoon could be a very nice-looking ship. As it is, and as I've said in many previous threads on this subject, it's a kitbash of existing parts. The saucer was a stretched LRSV saucer, the main hull a *very* stretched exploration cruiser hull (Celestial-class maybe?). Nacelles were from an Advanced Escort, Noble-class pylons. The ship was never intended to be playable, playable ships have more effort put into them because they are more closely scrutinized by the players using them and the many seams and badly fitted parts in the Typhoon that likely exist would have been very evident.

jbmaverick · July 2015

fulleatherjacket wrote: »

Nobody agrees with you. Give up. Go home.

The fact that multiple threads on this subject have been started by multiple people, and additional people have posted agreement on the subject, says you're wrong on this fact. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" will never not be true. Perhaps some of the people who like the design of the Typhoon aren't looking at it as it exists, rather they're seeing the potential of the ship. I liked the overall design but as both you and I have said, its kitbash nature was a turn-off for me. A redesigned Typhoon with new parts could look extremely good, although we already sort of got that via the Command Battlecruisers, which I also happen to like and I wonder why...

yakodym · July 2015

Since when did this

become hotter than this

?

#allbattleshipsarebeautiful
#typhoon_and_jupiter_ftw

dave18193 · July 2015

Love the typhoon!!! Itd be nice to see it as a playable ship. Same for Jupiter.

Imagine T6 cross faction 3 pack of Typhoon, Kar'fi and (we all know its coming) Scimitar.

And dedicated carrier (2/3 bays) 3 pack of Jupiter/Vo'quv/Haapax carrier variant.

rarebear1 · July 2015

dave18193 wrote: »

Love the typhoon!!! Itd be nice to see it as a playable ship. Same for Jupiter.

Imagine T6 cross faction 3 pack of Typhoon, Kar'fi and (we all know its coming) Scimitar.

And dedicated carrier (2/3 bays) 3 pack of Jupiter/Vo'quv/Haapax carrier variant.

That would be totally badass! Typhoon would be awesome.

However I would only go after Jupiter if it gets five weapon slots fore and aft.

nickcastleton · July 2015

dave18193 wrote: »

Love the typhoon!!! Itd be nice to see it as a playable ship. Same for Jupiter.

Imagine T6 cross faction 3 pack of Typhoon, Kar'fi and (we all know its coming) Scimitar.

And dedicated carrier (2/3 bays) 3 pack of Jupiter/Vo'quv/Haapax carrier variant.

i think if they do a t6 scimtard it will come with t6 odd and bort after all its a flagship

artan42 · July 2015

Gimmi ma Typhoon dammit.

unboundinferno · August 2015

I would argue that there isn't that many on the forums that are vocal - but there are plenty that do still prefer the Typhoon over the Command ships. They probably are just playing the game and missing it than just posting it here.

In all honestly, the Typhoon just needed an overhaul to make it worth keeping, not outright replacing of it. The ship itself had the looks, just not the powers and skill sets that are making the current Command ships appear better.

Thankfully or not, at the moment it is not completely gone - yet - I have witnessed some Typhoon ships left, but only through Mirror-related events or activities.

iconians · August 2015

yakodym wrote: »

Since when did this

become hotter than this

?

#allbattleshipsarebeautiful
#typhoon_and_jupiter_ftw

The first one is a heavy destroyer, not a battleship. You'd have a better comparison with one of the command battleships.

Which, by the way, I am way more grateful for spawning with Command Frequency than that ugly 2009-era kitbash.

And even if you are going to compare aesthetics between the Manticore and Typhoon, yes, the Manticore is far more aesthetically pleasing, has far more detail and functionality -- appears way more original in design than the Typhoon which looked like the spare parts Cryptic had when they were finished building the Noble and Majestic, and didn't know what to do with the rest.

If you want my opinion on what makes the Typhoon old and busted (and I figure most people in this thread don't, given the topic), it's Cryptic's old line of artistic theme of having negative space in ship pylons. While negative space does have artistic merit in some ship designs (Odyssey, Scryer), it comes as a result of some semblance of functionality. The Odyssey's split neck design was to facilitate the advanced quantum slipstream drive, and the Scryer presumably has the outer ring of its saucer there as a long range sensor array.

There was never any kind of artistic or aesthetic 'logic' behind the negative space in the old 2009-era Assault Cruisers other than to make them appear more distinctive. They appear to simply have random squares and rectangles punched into them without rhyme or reason. The Imperial-class similarly suffers from wanting to 'stand out' and become a drastic design change from the Sovereign, but did so in such a way that there is little for the player to go on (aka imagine) what some of the widgets and doo-dads on the ship actually do as part of the ship's function. On a personal note, I'd love to see Suricata or Thomas Marrone create a MSD of these older ships and explain what these little props on the ships are actually used for. But I won't hold my breath over it.

The Typhoon suffers from this, heavily.

The pylons look like they are made out of tin and have holes punched in them at the Typhoon assembly line. They have no apparent functionality. The nacelles which could be perceived as the most distinctive part of the Typhoon look like Cryptic was trying to capture the theme of the Excelsior which does not have Bussard Collectors, but still gave them 'scoops' for what could only be imagined as the same type of functionality -- but without the glowy red/orange caps that have become a standard Starfleet design aspect post-Excelsior.

The saucer seems about what one would expect from a 2409 design that tries to improve upon the Sovereign, but the two tiny impulse engines behind it looks like it was again trying to capture the Excelsior, and the engines look way underpowered given the immense size of the Typhoon's hull. Again, it seemed like the ship designer wanted to somehow combine design aesthetics from the Excelsior and put it into an advanced starship like the Sovereign-line of assault cruisers, and failed to adequately do justice to both types of ship.

There is no floodlight on the bow of the ship to illuminate the ship name and registry. You could possibly attribute this to oversight, but considering there are two floodlights on the aft starboard and port sides of the saucer that seem to shine on exactly nothing at all, I think this was an intentional design decision, and fails to bring the pomp and 'majesty' you would expect from a massive Starfleet cruiser like the Galaxy, or Sovereign.

(To be fair, the Scimitar also has lots of floodlights which shine on exactly nothing at all but that's part of its canon design).

The Typhoon has no visible bridge you would expect to see at the top of the saucer. Only a single weapon hardpoint. There are also weapon hardpoints on the makeshift bussard scoops on the nacelles, which could be an indication of the Typhoon's functionality for war, but again fails to really sell the Typhoon as an advanced Starfleet vessel, and comes off more like some kind of bizarre mirror universe design.

The Manticore (and the Command Battlecruisers) all appear original, but fit into the theme Cryptic is basing their ships off of (namely the Odyssey). While it does have seemingly useless doo-dads built onto them, they are generally of such a design a player could easily come to the conclusion that the Manticore has a conning tower or a torpedo rollbar-mission pod, and that the Command Battlecruisers have a rotating communications dish that spins at the bottom of the stardrive.

While I think there is some valid criticism of the 2410 design themes being comparable to plastic toys a child would have, I think it's preferrable to a design like the Typhoon where it seems like a Frankenstein kitbash of leftover parts that Cryptic didn't want to waste, and fails to honor the Assault Cruiser line of ships as well as failing to honor the older ships (like the Excelsior) with a misguided attempt to make it appear 'rugged' without the charm.

The Typhoon and Jupiter might have a cult following in STO, but Ed Wood has a cult following too. It doesn't mean his films are cinematic masterpieces.

Also, I find it important to mention that while I find the Typhoon abhorrent, I do understand the desire not to see this ship removed in its entirety. I think it should have a place somewhere (even if it's in the Foundry) because Cryptic should embrace their beginnings and early iterations of what they wanted STO to be like.

I just don't think these things should be at the forefront of gameplay, which should have a certain priority to have Cryptic's "best" being showcased at all times.

Just because something no longer resembles the "current standards" of quality shouldn't mean its entire removal. It should just be placed somewhere else off in the distance where someone could chance upon it and say, "Oh wow, things really have changed since then!"

You can't appreciate what you have now without being able to compare and contrast with what you had before. So yes, the Typhoon most certainly should have a place in STO.

artan42 · August 2015

iconians wrote: »

Well written, but meaningless nayseying

I can't hear you over the sound of how pretty the Typhoon is!!!!!

Edit: I might actually write a reply on why the Typhoon deserves to live tonight.

artan42 · August 2015

iconians wrote: »

aesthetically pleasing, has far more detail and functionality -- appears way more original in design than the Typhoon which looked like the spare parts Cryptic had when they were finished building the Noble and Majestic, and didn't know what to do with the rest.

Majestic saucer, star cruiser hull, Noble pylons, and Cerberus nacelles. All with slight modifications

iconians wrote: »

If you want my opinion on what makes the Typhoon old and busted (and I figure most people in this thread don't, given the topic), it's Cryptic's old line of artistic theme of having negative space in ship pylons. While negative space does have artistic merit in some ship designs (Odyssey, Scryer), it comes as a result of some semblance of functionality. The Odyssey's split neck design was to facilitate the advanced quantum slipstream drive, and the Scryer presumably has the outer ring of its saucer there as a long range sensor array.

Of all the criticism, the gaps in the pylons is odd, it's certainly not a deal breaker, maybe it's just to save material, but it certainly fits the aesthetic of the older designs, a lot of the pre 2409 hulls have gaps in the pylons.

iconians wrote: »

There was never any kind of artistic or aesthetic 'logic' behind the negative space in the old 2009-era Assault Cruisers other than to make them appear more distinctive. They appear to simply have random squares and rectangles punched into them without rhyme or reason. The Imperial-class similarly suffers from wanting to 'stand out' and become a drastic design change from the Sovereign, but did so in such a way that there is little for the player to go on (aka imagine) what some of the widgets and doo-dads on the ship actually do as part of the ship's function. On a personal note, I'd love to see Suricata or Thomas Marrone create a MSD of these older ships and explain what these little props on the ships are actually used for. But I won't hold my breath over it.

The Typhoon suffers from this, heavily.

Except the Typhoon uses the Majestic saucer, the best design of the lot and one of the only pre 2409 variants of canon ships I liked the, the other being the Monarch Class (except the neck piece).

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Give it the white material and the Andromeda stripes in black and it sparkles. It also lacks most of the silly add ons that plague the other types.

iconians wrote: »

The nacelles which could be perceived as the most distinctive part of the Typhoon look like Cryptic was trying to capture the theme of the Excelsior which does not have Bussard Collectors, but still gave them 'scoops' for what could only be imagined as the same type of functionality -- but without the glowy red/orange caps that have become a standard Starfleet design aspect post-Excelsior.

Well they are just a doubling of the Cerberus nacelles, the idea of having the nacelles armoured with a new type of intake is interesting it reminds me of the Dreadnought Class (AU)

iconians wrote: »

The saucer seems about what one would expect from a 2409 design that tries to improve upon the Sovereign, but the two tiny impulse engines behind it looks like it was again trying to capture the Excelsior, and the engines look way underpowered given the immense size of the Typhoon's hull. Again, it seemed like the ship designer wanted to somehow combine design aesthetics from the Excelsior and put it into an advanced starship like the Sovereign-line of assault cruisers, and failed to adequately do justice to both types of ship.

I'd agree with you there, I'd want bigger impulse engines, remember it's a saucer from a 700 metre ship scaled up to a 1000 metre ship.

iconians wrote: »

There is no floodlight on the bow of the ship to illuminate the ship name and registry. You could possibly attribute this to oversight, but considering there are two floodlights on the aft starboard and port sides of the saucer that seem to shine on exactly nothing at all, I think this was an intentional design decision, and fails to bring the pomp and 'majesty' you would expect from a massive Starfleet cruiser like the Galaxy, or Sovereign.

(To be fair, the Scimitar also has lots of floodlights which shine on exactly nothing at all but that's part of its canon design).

That is also a problem and is a detail I would want them to add, the reason is that they striped the 'spine' from the Majestic Class that runs from the bow to the neck, that mounted the front flood light.

iconians wrote: »

The Typhoon has no visible bridge you would expect to see at the top of the saucer. Only a single weapon hardpoint. There are also weapon hardpoints on the makeshift bussard scoops on the nacelles, which could be an indication of the Typhoon's functionality for war, but again fails to really sell the Typhoon as an advanced Starfleet vessel, and comes off more like some kind of bizarre mirror universe design.

I like the lack of bridge module, it seems to me that the bridge is buried in the hull. The Oddy also has nacelle hardpoints. But adjusting all the Typhoons hardpoints would be nice as well. The top of the bridge bump could do with a bit more detailing though.

iconians wrote: »

While I think there is some valid criticism of the 2410 design themes being comparable to plastic toys a child would have, I think it's preferrable to a design like the Typhoon where it seems like a Frankenstein kitbash of leftover parts that Cryptic didn't want to waste, and fails to honor the Assault Cruiser line of ships as well as failing to honor the older ships (like the Excelsior) with a misguided attempt to make it appear 'rugged' without the charm.

It doesn't need to honour the Assault Cruisers, it's nothing to do with them. But I see its ruggedness and its charm as do others, though I can see how it isn't for everybody.

iconians wrote: »

You can't appreciate what you have now without being able to compare and contrast with what you had before. So yes, the Typhoon most certainly should have a place in STO.

Give it the 2410 white hull and tidy it up a little bit and keep it as a fleet support and photonic fleet and as the default SF battleship then.

jbmaverick · August 2015

fulleatherjacket wrote: »

Okay, so there are half a dozen of you who have no taste or idea of what's beautiful in a starship. You guys are still alone on this one. Nobody else wants the Typhoon and Cryptic won't bring it back just for you.

Okay, so there's 3 of you who don't like it, to the half dozen who do, therefore the majority is clearly to this ship being good. And before anyone responds, no, this thread is not indicative of the desires of the entire community, which is why fullleatherjacket's response is ridiculous. This subject has been brought up in likely at least a dozen threads with numerous people voicing support. This isn't some off-the-wall request, there is a genuine desire from the community to see this ship brought to full player-use detail. Everyone is welcome to their opinion regarding how good something looks, but trying to pass off that opinion as absolute fact is absurd.

To go even further, who cares if the (vocal) community majority doesn't like it (which really doesn't seem to be the case), the community majority doesn't have to buy/use it, just like the community majority doesn't have to use the other ships that have been released to date that they don't like. There's been plenty of hate directed at quite a few of the ships over time, but Cryptic hasn't pulled them off the shelf because of a few naysayers. If your dislike of the Typhoon is based on it being a kitbash, then see the above post. A full remodel of the ship to bring it up to par with all the other ships in the game could produce a brilliant ship.

The main problem I see is that we already kind of have that remodel via the Pressidio, Concorde, and Geneva, further supported by Cryptic generally replacing the Typhoon with those ships. I could see Cryptic doing some sort of Command Battlecruiser rebuild down the line, or maybe some new specialization. Cryptic seems to like the quad nacelle look right now for cruisers (Intel Cruiser, Command Cruiser, the Guardian and Resolute seem to be intended to look that way as well with their Bussard Collector designs), but I doubt it will be anywhere in the near future.

lianthelia · August 2015

The only positive thing I can really say about the Typhoon...at least it isn't the Jupiter.

We know the Gal-X will be here some day and odds are they will make a T6 Sovy some day...on top of their own Cruisers (Assuming they make more specializations...we maybe looking at a new one soon since it has been about 3 months since the Pilot ships were released) and it would be a 50-50 chance that the next specialization will involve Cruisers since we know Science ships are out.

Honestly...I don't hate the thing but there are better options than a Frankenstein Cruiser...and Feds already have a bloat of Cruisers as it is without any new Specializations...or with.

oldravenman3025 · August 2015

fulleatherjacket wrote: »

I will constantly reiterate this if people keep harping on about it: Typhoon is a horrible kitbash piece of garbage looking ship. If you like it, you have terrible taste. The devs know it's hideous and they've phased it out because it's a relic of an embarrassing early time when their own starship designs were excrement. It's never coming back. Be happy with what you've got. Stop asking for something that will never happen. Nobody agrees with you. Give up. Go home.

Lighten up, Francis.

If you don't like seeing people ask for a certain ship, feature, etc., then don't click on the thread and read it.

It will save you blood pressure problems in the future.

I, for one, would like to see a revamped Jupiter and Typhoon make it to the "playable" list.

thay8472 · August 2015

Hmmm Typhoon is a kitbash you say?

Well... the solution is obvious... identify which ships it borrows parts from... then delete those ships from the game.

primar13 · August 2015

thay8472 wrote: »

Hmmm Typhoon is a kitbash you say?

Well... the solution is obvious... identify which ships it borrows parts from... then delete those ships from the game.

Nacelles are from the Cerberus, the Pylons are from one of the crappy Sovvy Variants, and the rest is just junk...

artan42 · August 2015

thay8472 wrote: »

Hmmm Typhoon is a kitbash you say?

Well... the solution is obvious... identify which ships it borrows parts from... then delete those ships from the game.

Nar, we don't need to go that far, 'cos it's not like ST has ever used kitbashed ships before is it?

thay8472 · August 2015

artan42 wrote: »

thay8472 wrote: »

Hmmm Typhoon is a kitbash you say?

Well... the solution is obvious... identify which ships it borrows parts from... then delete those ships from the game.

Nar, we don't need to go that far, 'cos it's not like ST has ever used kitbashed ships before is it?

Now that you mention it ... they give make troi look old in that one TNG episode... so anything is... oh... yes... ship... TYPHOON!

pweistheworst · August 2015

Honestly, although I like having more ships, I feel like the devs essentially replaced the Typhoon with the T6 command battlecruisers. If you "must" have the old, terrible model of the Typhoon then maybe try to convince the devs to offer the old model as an optional "skin" when you customize the Fleet version of the T6 Command Battlecruisers (you know there will eventually be a Fleet version of those ships and that is probably your best shot at getting the old model back in the game.

legendarylycan · August 2015

pweistheworst wrote: »

(you know there will eventually be a Fleet version of those ships and that is probably your best shot at getting the old model back in the game.

actually, no there won't, because they're already fleet-level like every other bundle ship has been since the first

phoenix234567 · September 2015

I wouldn't give up hope for the Typhoon just yet. Season 11 will pit us against the Terran Empire and as we all know from that last, almost prehistoric, Mirror Event, they still use the Typhoon as their ship of the line. We might just see the Typhoon featured as a . . . lockbox ship. *shudders*

And no, I never made my peace with the Command Battlecruisers. I find them to be either overly bulbous or thinned out abominations of an Excelsior with horrible proportions between it's individual parts and overstyled nacelles that are way too short. That second engineering section potruding from the upper part of the saucer and the resulting gap behind the vessels neck negates any kind of asthetic flow that connects the utilitarian with the elegant. It's just ugly.

Meanwhile, the Typhoon manages to look like a battleship that can take what it dishes out. The unexposed bridge and armored twinnacelles nacelles imply redundancy and robustness while the massive deflector dish, the tear-shaped saucer and the six primary Phaser banks, placed like turrets of ww2 battleships, visualize the ship's offensive edge.
Compared to the overly flimsy and technophile appearance of the newer ships, she truly is Starfleet's rendition of the Imperial Star Destroyer. And for that I love her.

Now, about the Jupiter dreadnought ...

artan42 · September 2015

Apparently the Mirror Typhoons have been replaced with more bleeding Command Cruisers

.

At least when the Terrans had Typhoons they at least had original ships not seen in the Prime Universe (thanks Cryptic

) now every ship they have is identical but with red paint.

mustrumridcully0 · September 2015

I always thoguht between Typhoon and the Jupiter, the Jupiter had more potential. It's ugly, no doubt, and overall of low quality -but it really looks like a design that takes us into a new direction and might fit some kind of Command/Carrier/Dreadnought/Mobile Starbase type of ship.

Just get someone with some more artistic vision and (maybe more importantly) time on it and improve on that.

The main problem IMO are the nacelles and pylons. They are ugly and look like they are unfinished.
Imagine something like this:
- Lower Pylons might sweep down almost horizontally from the lower part of saucer. For customization needs, there might be different lengths and angles.
- Upper Pylons might extend from the neck line. Variations in length of the pylons could give some minor customization. SOme might want the upper nacelles very close together, other might want them far apart.
- The entire lower section should go all the way through, no weird cylinder-areas.
- Add hangar bay doors in the middle of the lower (deflector) section. Maybe even have them open and go all the way through. (maybe as some animation when deploying hangar pets?
- Add something implying docking clamps at the bottom section, too, indicating that ships might dock there to resupply.
- The aft section could probably use some work. Maybe they could even add a deployable pet (on top of hangars) there, a small utility/support craft, Defiant/Aquarius sized. (Maybe re-using the Aquarius would really be cool here.)

bltrrn · September 2015

phoenix234567 wrote: »

I wouldn't give up hope for the Typhoon just yet. Season 11 will pit us against the Terran Empire and as we all know from that last, almost prehistoric, Mirror Event, they still use the Typhoon as their ship of the line. We might just see the Typhoon featured as a . . . lockbox ship. *shudders*

And no, I never made my peace with the Command Battlecruisers. I find them to be either overly bulbous or thinned out abominations of an Excelsior with horrible proportions between it's individual parts and overstyled nacelles that are way too short. That second engineering section potruding from the upper part of the saucer and the resulting gap behind the vessels neck negates any kind of asthetic flow that connects the utilitarian with the elegant. It's just ugly.

Meanwhile, the Typhoon manages to look like a battleship that can take what it dishes out. The unexposed bridge and armored twinnacelles nacelles imply redundancy and robustness while the massive deflector dish, the tear-shaped saucer and the six primary Phaser banks, placed like turrets of ww2 battleships, visualize the ship's offensive edge.
Compared to the overly flimsy and technophile appearance of the newer ships, she truly is Starfleet's rendition of the Imperial Star Destroyer. And for that I love her.

Now, about the Jupiter dreadnought ...

Hmm..

Sovereign=Republic
Gal-X=Victory/Kenobi
Typhoon=Imperial/Palleon
Jupiter=Executer
????=Eclipse

????=Imperator

Based on design, I've always speculated on whether or not the Voth Supremacy has had interdimensional contact with Kuat Drive Yards.

(Yeah, I'm a Star Wars fan too.)

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

I always thoguht between Typhoon and the Jupiter, the Jupiter had more potential. It's ugly, no doubt, and overall of low quality -but it really looks like a design that takes us into a new direction and might fit some kind of Command/Carrier/Dreadnought/Mobile Starbase type of ship.

Just get someone with some more artistic vision and (maybe more importantly) time on it and improve on that.

The main problem IMO are the nacelles and pylons. They are ugly and look like they are unfinished.
Imagine something like this:
- Lower Pylons might sweep down almost horizontally from the lower part of saucer. For customization needs, there might be different lengths and angles.
- Upper Pylons might extend from the neck line. Variations in length of the pylons could give some minor customization. SOme might want the upper nacelles very close together, other might want them far apart.
- The entire lower section should go all the way through, no weird cylinder-areas.
- Add hangar bay doors in the middle of the lower (deflector) section. Maybe even have them open and go all the way through. (maybe as some animation when deploying hangar pets?
- Add something implying docking clamps at the bottom section, too, indicating that ships might dock there to resupply.
- The aft section could probably use some work. Maybe they could even add a deployable pet (on top of hangars) there, a small utility/support craft, Defiant/Aquarius sized. (Maybe re-using the Aquarius would really be cool here.)

Defiant/Sao Paulo Carrier Escorts? *drolls*

Typhoon combat battlecrusier rescue thread

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