So I get it, the Iconians have spread like the plague. Just a question, since this is about the galaxy, where are the Borg, Dominion, Tholians or the Undine?
It seems like this message was left by the Dewans that used to exist in the Dewa System. Or was it Tau Dewa? Either way, That system now is Romulan Republic Territory.
So I get it, the Iconians have spread like the plague. Just a question, since this is about the galaxy, where are the Borg, Dominion, Tholians or the Undine?
Just how close are Tholians to Iconians? Crystalline creatures and all that.
A nice anonymous letter wallowing in loss. For this, I prescribe Seradox IV, an excellent antidepressant that works effectively on Terran, Betazoid, Vulcan and Bajoran lifeforms.
I've had a long debates with friends over the context of the war in and out of the featured episodes and the consensus is that the game cannot have the scars of the war visible as many new player characters have not yet reached parts of their storylines that would have them up to this point in the time continuum. For the sake of the game mechanics, the devastation must be limited to the FE's only. Yes, this disrupts the "feel" of the game, but its a necessary evil. A hint might also come from the name of the lock box. "Year of Hell". Didn't that entail several episodes of Voyager getting ripped to shreds and then resolve with time manipilation shennanigans making it never happen? And here we are, Iconians ripping us to shreds (in the FE's) and we are about to use a device that will involve time manipulation shennanigans so that it never happened.
If I were a developer and knew that the galaxy was not going to stay devastated at the end of the tale, I would not be putting my effort into making the game world look war-torn either. after all, it never happened!
What is described here is what the in game missions need.
So this ^. It seems that perhaps the Heralds are abducting civilians rather than killing them -- or simply making them disappear without a trace--, but I don't recall seeing that information anywhere other than in these war blogs. Where is the FE where we land on a planet to fight off a Herald invasion and find the civilians gone?
Well, we've seen the Elachi take lots of people. They might be scarce now that the Heralds are here but they're still part of the Iconian military.
A nice anonymous letter wallowing in loss. For this, I prescribe Seradox IV, an excellent antidepressant that works effectively on Terran, Betazoid, Vulcan and Bajoran lifeforms.
I've had a long debates with friends over the context of the war in and out of the featured episodes and the consensus is that the game cannot have the scars of the war visible as many new player characters have not yet reached parts of their storylines that would have them up to this point in the time continuum. For the sake of the game mechanics, the devastation must be limited to the FE's only. Yes, this disrupts the "feel" of the game, but its a necessary evil. A hint might also come from the name of the lock box. "Year of Hell". Didn't that entail several episodes of Voyager getting ripped to shreds and then resolve with time manipilation shennanigans making it never happen? And here we are, Iconians ripping us to shreds (in the FE's) and we are about to use a device that will involve time manipulation shennanigans so that it never happened.
If I were a developer and knew that the galaxy was not going to stay devastated at the end of the tale, I would not be putting my effort into making the game world look war-torn either. after all, it never happened!
I am sure there is a way to work around this, I am pretty sure that when the Death Knights (or whatever it was) came to WoW that they had an area that was instanced, and only changed to show the existence of the DK's once you hit a certain level (50 I think.) otherwise, that area was like it was before that. However, I could totally be remembering that wrong, as it's been like 6 years since I played WoW.
ruff, meow, moo, whatever.... *shrug* [ Still Waiting for a Shiny New T6 Romulan Science Ship to Command ]
In this Tales of the War Entry shouldn't it be Terra Nova not Nova Terra? Thanks. Also, this is the stuff that should be incorporated into Star Trek Online and not just left in a Tales of the Iconian War blog entry.
Wow... that last stunt the Alliance pulled at the Sphere really made them tick, didn't it?
Up until now it was all about conquest and subjugation.
Now, it's just blood and ash.
A mission about relief efforts, providing aid, and eventual evacuation of colonies would really put the severity of the war in front of the player.
Maybe a PVE queue?
In the database entries we found in "Sphere of Influence," we uncovered the Iconians' plans to exterminate all life in the Sol system, the fact that the Hobus supernova was an attempt to exterminate all Romulan and Reman life, the subsequent attempt to finish the Romulans and Remans off with the Elachi, the subsequent attempt to kill off 70% of the population of New Romulus by destabilizing the Gateway on New Romulus, and the plan to "subsume" any surviving Romulans and Remans into Elachi (which means either turning Romulans and Remans into Elachi, or feeding Romulans and Remans to Elachi young), as well as the plan to either bring the Klingons into their servitor ranks or exterminate them swiftly. It's never been mere conquest and subjugation, and has always been about extermination.
A nice anonymous letter wallowing in loss. For this, I prescribe Seradox IV, an excellent antidepressant that works effectively on Terran, Betazoid, Vulcan and Bajoran lifeforms.
I've had a long debates with friends over the context of the war in and out of the featured episodes and the consensus is that the game cannot have the scars of the war visible as many new player characters have not yet reached parts of their storylines that would have them up to this point in the time continuum. For the sake of the game mechanics, the devastation must be limited to the FE's only. Yes, this disrupts the "feel" of the game, but its a necessary evil. A hint might also come from the name of the lock box. "Year of Hell". Didn't that entail several episodes of Voyager getting ripped to shreds and then resolve with time manipilation shennanigans making it never happen? And here we are, Iconians ripping us to shreds (in the FE's) and we are about to use a device that will involve time manipulation shennanigans so that it never happened.
If I were a developer and knew that the galaxy was not going to stay devastated at the end of the tale, I would not be putting my effort into making the game world look war-torn either. after all, it never happened!
I am sure there is a way to work around this, I am pretty sure that when the Death Knights (or whatever it was) came to WoW that they had an area that was instanced, and only changed to show the existence of the DK's once you hit a certain level (50 I think.) otherwise, that area was like it was before that. However, I could totally be remembering that wrong, as it's been like 6 years since I played WoW.
You do realize that as the "Iconian War" missions are being featured, they are playable by Level 10s on up...
So it would be more of a "did player complete mission X? Add display of devastation. Else, leave gaping hole / pretty star system"...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
I find it funny that alot of people are complaining that the letter was vague, didn't describe anything, yatta yatta yatta. I found it pretty good as that your not supposed to know who wrote it, or where it was found. The whole idea was to bring to the front the very real threat that the Iconians present, and the fact that even little known colonies are being wiped out without a second thought. If anything, it should give people a pretty good look at what kind of a threat they face when battling the Iconians.
... If anything, it should give people a pretty good look at what kind of a threat they face when battling the Iconians.
Totally agreed.
I just hope that these "Tales of the war" will eventually find their way into the game somehow.
Here on the website they are only going to get buried as more recent news come out.
And I think they're worth preserving as in-game logs or maybe mission reports.
"Ad astra audacter eamus in alis fidelium."
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"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
The whole idea was to bring to the front the very real threat that the Iconians present, and the fact that even little known colonies are being wiped out without a second thought. If anything, it should give people a pretty good look at what kind of a threat they face when battling the Iconians.
Its hard to be a threat when you don't really fight them.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Up until now they wanted the forces of the Alpha and Beta quadrants at each other's throats, to ensure minimal resistance when they take over; and to make sure that those who can resist are thrown into chaos or destroyed (Hobus Event).
But with one of their own fallen, they don't care about collateral damage anymore.
From a certain point of view the Iconians acted almost like gardeners. But now they are willing to burn their own garden entirely if that's the cost of a successful takeover.
"Ad astra audacter eamus in alis fidelium."
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"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
In this Tales of the War Entry shouldn't it be Terra Nova not Nova Terra? Thanks. Also, this is the stuff that should be incorporated into Star Trek Online and not just left in a Tales of the Iconian War blog entry.
They recently held a referendum to change the name of the planet. Hoping more people will come by for their harvest festival.
Is this an Iconian run news channel? Every time we face the Iconians, we crush them like the insects they are. Yet all we hear are utterly absurd reports of us losing the war. If people would stop beaming us out of their facilities, there would be at least two less Iconians probably more.
I don't know - when I ran away from the two Iconians after T'Mara kinda suicided herself on me, I didn't quite feel like a winner yet, but somewhat satisfied that I made it out and had hurt my enemy. But then I left the dang sphere and show lots of ship wrecks, and when I came back to the Krenim Station, there were only afew ships there, not the giant fleet I had started out with.
Maybe I personally did overall pretty well, but it doesn't seem like we did. Clearly the fight is happening elsewhere, and is taking its toll. Maybe I am the best ship Captain in the entire Alliance and my ship is practically unbeatable - but I can't be everywhere at once.
Agreed - that was one of the things that Broken Circle got right. In fact, it reminded me a great deal of the very end of the Episode 'A Call to Arms' (DS9), where we were presented with the Defiant's rendevous with the largest fleet of ships that we'd ever seen (at the time). https://youtube.com/watch?v=NQR1qLyG94w (exact scene at 0:43 seconds).
And the subsequent episode, ' A Time to Stand', which opens with the few battered ships remaining from that fleet on the run from the Jem'Hadar.
There were, in my opinion, definite similiarities.
So what you're saying is that we have the only competent captain, crew, and/or ship in the quadrant Starfleet (or the Empire)... and even that only applies when the camera's actually on us.
Is this an Iconian run news channel? Every time we face the Iconians, we crush them like the insects they are. Yet all we hear are utterly absurd reports of us losing the war. If people would stop beaming us out of their facilities, there would be at least two less Iconians probably more.
Certainly T'Ket would have died in "House Pegh," since, once she was weakened and injured, it was not time for brave House Pegh to run away, but to press the attack and finish her off. As I've said before, I was ready to jump down there and finish the job.
Qahless should have talked less and be quicker to finish her.
Is this an Iconian run news channel? Every time we face the Iconians, we crush them like the insects they are. Yet all we hear are utterly absurd reports of us losing the war. If people would stop beaming us out of their facilities, there would be at least two less Iconians probably more.
Certainly T'Ket would have died in "House Pegh," since, once she was weakened and injured, it was not time for brave House Pegh to run away, but to press the attack and finish her off. As I've said before, I was ready to jump down there and finish the job.
Qahless should have talked less and be quicker to finish her.
Agreed. Frankly if you wanted to have an Iconian killed for plot reasons, T'Ket was the one. I'd prefer to deal with M'Tara and L'Miren then T'Ket and L'Miren.
As far as to the idea that the Iconians were always about exterminating all life, I doubt that is the case. Exterminating all life on Earth and New Romulus I see more as a decapitation/headhunter strike. Wouldn't work of course-it would just stiffen resistance and stoke up rage.
Kind of like M'Tara's death did.
There was an old line from the original Planet of the Apes franchise; "Hate begets Hate, Violence begets Violence." War and revenge are truly the circle that needs to be broken.
Donate lifeforce to the Phoenix Project, Resurrect M'Tara!
Liberate Donatra too.
Get this to a propaganda dept, to a master of propaganda is is ammunition to demonise the Iconians with.
1) It will encourage the soldiers and crewmen to fight with more resolve knowing what happens to prisoners of the Iconians and their attacks on civilians.
2) It's for your right to live
"The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Is this an Iconian run news channel? Every time we face the Iconians, we crush them like the insects they are. Yet all we hear are utterly absurd reports of us losing the war. If people would stop beaming us out of their facilities, there would be at least two less Iconians probably more.
Certainly T'Ket would have died in "House Pegh," since, once she was weakened and injured, it was not time for brave House Pegh to run away, but to press the attack and finish her off. As I've said before, I was ready to jump down there and finish the job.
Qahless should have talked less and be quicker to finish her.
Agreed. Frankly if you wanted to have an Iconian killed for plot reasons, T'Ket was the one. I'd prefer to deal with M'Tara and L'Miren then T'Ket and L'Miren.
As far as to the idea that the Iconians were always about exterminating all life, I doubt that is the case. Exterminating all life on Earth and New Romulus I see more as a decapitation/headhunter strike. Wouldn't work of course-it would just stiffen resistance and stoke up rage.
Kind of like M'Tara's death did.
There was an old line from the original Planet of the Apes franchise; "Hate begets Hate, Violence begets Violence." War and revenge are truly the circle that needs to be broken.
I dunno... killing T'Ket would have probably had this sort of effect on M'Tara.... and honestly, I'd be more scared of M'Tara.
Agreed. Frankly if you wanted to have an Iconian killed for plot reasons, T'Ket was the one. I'd prefer to deal with M'Tara and L'Miren then T'Ket and L'Miren.
As far as to the idea that the Iconians were always about exterminating all life, I doubt that is the case. Exterminating all life on Earth and New Romulus I see more as a decapitation/headhunter strike.
I agree that T'Ket should have been the one to die, or at least the first to die.
And as far as the Iconians' plans, ...
1. It's not an idea; play "Sphere of Influence" again and read the full text from each database.
2. I never said "all life." I said
a. They plan to exterminate all life in the Sol system (which is rather clearly stated to be a first strike/decapitation type thing as regards the Federation)
b. They've already tried three times to exterminate ALL Romulans and Remans
c. They plan to turn the Klingons to their side in order to make of them servitors, or, failing that, to exterminate them swiftly.
3. I didn't mention it here, but the exact nature of their plans for the Dominion are not explicit; as I recall, they only mention "conquest."
4. There is a planet called "Quarra" somewhere in the Delta Quadrant which is home to the only species mentioned in that database to be negotiated with, and only because the Quarrens have advanced technology.
By all means, go back and replay the mission and read the text. The Iconians never were planning mere "conquest," nor could they conceivably be construed as acting like "gardeners" as kelettes has it, even before the death of M'Tara. "Up until now" indeed. *snorts* Up until now, they've been following a measured campaign, but they were planning to slaughter trillions of sentients before we ever had any direct dealings with them, let alone before we killed M'Tara.
By all means, go back and replay the mission and read the text. The Iconians never were planning mere "conquest," nor could they conceivably be construed as acting like "gardeners" as kelettes has it, even before the death of M'Tara. "Up until now" indeed. *snorts* Up until now, they've been following a measured campaign, but they were planning to slaughter trillions of sentients before we ever had any direct dealings with them, let alone before we killed M'Tara.
Don't be silly, of course they're gardeners..... who think humans are weeds that need to be exterminated.
By all means, go back and replay the mission and read the text. The Iconians never were planning mere "conquest," nor could they conceivably be construed as acting like "gardeners" as kelettes has it, even before the death of M'Tara. "Up until now" indeed. *snorts* Up until now, they've been following a measured campaign, but they were planning to slaughter trillions of sentients before we ever had any direct dealings with them, let alone before we killed M'Tara.
Don't be silly, of course they're gardeners..... who think humans are weeds that need to be exterminated.
I'll certainly agree with the last clause there. I'm just getting tired of those who want to pretend that the Iconians were sweet little innocent ancient aliens who deserve "proper deference" and were "only" going to conquer and enslave us but not slaughter people, until we made them angry. Ugh. I am aware some don't bother to read the text in the missions, but Holy Angelina Jolie! Trying to argue for negotiation with a group of capricious sociopaths, claiming that we had no idea what they wanted, and even suggesting that they were nice until we started messing with them (!!!) is utterly naïve (and that's the nicest thing I can say about it).
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The mek'leth, Worf's favourite melee weapon. We've been begging for it in the Klingon subforum, but they just won't give it to us.
Just how close are Tholians to Iconians? Crystalline creatures and all that.
I've had a long debates with friends over the context of the war in and out of the featured episodes and the consensus is that the game cannot have the scars of the war visible as many new player characters have not yet reached parts of their storylines that would have them up to this point in the time continuum. For the sake of the game mechanics, the devastation must be limited to the FE's only. Yes, this disrupts the "feel" of the game, but its a necessary evil. A hint might also come from the name of the lock box. "Year of Hell". Didn't that entail several episodes of Voyager getting ripped to shreds and then resolve with time manipilation shennanigans making it never happen? And here we are, Iconians ripping us to shreds (in the FE's) and we are about to use a device that will involve time manipulation shennanigans so that it never happened.
If I were a developer and knew that the galaxy was not going to stay devastated at the end of the tale, I would not be putting my effort into making the game world look war-torn either. after all, it never happened!
Well, we've seen the Elachi take lots of people. They might be scarce now that the Heralds are here but they're still part of the Iconian military.
I am sure there is a way to work around this, I am pretty sure that when the Death Knights (or whatever it was) came to WoW that they had an area that was instanced, and only changed to show the existence of the DK's once you hit a certain level (50 I think.) otherwise, that area was like it was before that. However, I could totally be remembering that wrong, as it's been like 6 years since I played WoW.
[ Still Waiting for a Shiny New T6 Romulan Science Ship to Command ]
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Fighting 5th Attack Squadron
The Devils Henchman
Up until now it was all about conquest and subjugation.
Now, it's just blood and ash.
A mission about relief efforts, providing aid, and eventual evacuation of colonies would really put the severity of the war in front of the player.
Maybe a PVE queue?
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"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
In the database entries we found in "Sphere of Influence," we uncovered the Iconians' plans to exterminate all life in the Sol system, the fact that the Hobus supernova was an attempt to exterminate all Romulan and Reman life, the subsequent attempt to finish the Romulans and Remans off with the Elachi, the subsequent attempt to kill off 70% of the population of New Romulus by destabilizing the Gateway on New Romulus, and the plan to "subsume" any surviving Romulans and Remans into Elachi (which means either turning Romulans and Remans into Elachi, or feeding Romulans and Remans to Elachi young), as well as the plan to either bring the Klingons into their servitor ranks or exterminate them swiftly. It's never been mere conquest and subjugation, and has always been about extermination.
You do realize that as the "Iconian War" missions are being featured, they are playable by Level 10s on up...
So it would be more of a "did player complete mission X? Add display of devastation. Else, leave gaping hole / pretty star system"...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Totally agreed.
I just hope that these "Tales of the war" will eventually find their way into the game somehow.
Here on the website they are only going to get buried as more recent news come out.
And I think they're worth preserving as in-game logs or maybe mission reports.
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"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
Its hard to be a threat when you don't really fight them.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
But with one of their own fallen, they don't care about collateral damage anymore.
From a certain point of view the Iconians acted almost like gardeners. But now they are willing to burn their own garden entirely if that's the cost of a successful takeover.
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"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
They recently held a referendum to change the name of the planet. Hoping more people will come by for their harvest festival.
Well, maybe not....
So what you're saying is that we have the only competent captain, crew, and/or ship in the quadrant Starfleet (or the Empire)... and even that only applies when the camera's actually on us.
yeah, that sounds like Star Trek.
Agreed. Frankly if you wanted to have an Iconian killed for plot reasons, T'Ket was the one. I'd prefer to deal with M'Tara and L'Miren then T'Ket and L'Miren.
As far as to the idea that the Iconians were always about exterminating all life, I doubt that is the case. Exterminating all life on Earth and New Romulus I see more as a decapitation/headhunter strike. Wouldn't work of course-it would just stiffen resistance and stoke up rage.
Kind of like M'Tara's death did.
There was an old line from the original Planet of the Apes franchise; "Hate begets Hate, Violence begets Violence." War and revenge are truly the circle that needs to be broken.
Donate lifeforce to the Phoenix Project, Resurrect M'Tara!
Liberate Donatra too.
1) It will encourage the soldiers and crewmen to fight with more resolve knowing what happens to prisoners of the Iconians and their attacks on civilians.
2) It's for your right to live
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
My character Tsin'xing
I agree that T'Ket should have been the one to die, or at least the first to die.
And as far as the Iconians' plans, ...
1. It's not an idea; play "Sphere of Influence" again and read the full text from each database.
2. I never said "all life." I said
a. They plan to exterminate all life in the Sol system (which is rather clearly stated to be a first strike/decapitation type thing as regards the Federation)
b. They've already tried three times to exterminate ALL Romulans and Remans
c. They plan to turn the Klingons to their side in order to make of them servitors, or, failing that, to exterminate them swiftly.
3. I didn't mention it here, but the exact nature of their plans for the Dominion are not explicit; as I recall, they only mention "conquest."
4. There is a planet called "Quarra" somewhere in the Delta Quadrant which is home to the only species mentioned in that database to be negotiated with, and only because the Quarrens have advanced technology.
By all means, go back and replay the mission and read the text. The Iconians never were planning mere "conquest," nor could they conceivably be construed as acting like "gardeners" as kelettes has it, even before the death of M'Tara. "Up until now" indeed. *snorts* Up until now, they've been following a measured campaign, but they were planning to slaughter trillions of sentients before we ever had any direct dealings with them, let alone before we killed M'Tara.
Thanks for this. I actually missed a few and had not realized it.
You're welcome.
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My character Tsin'xing
I'll certainly agree with the last clause there. I'm just getting tired of those who want to pretend that the Iconians were sweet little innocent ancient aliens who deserve "proper deference" and were "only" going to conquer and enslave us but not slaughter people, until we made them angry. Ugh. I am aware some don't bother to read the text in the missions, but Holy Angelina Jolie! Trying to argue for negotiation with a group of capricious sociopaths, claiming that we had no idea what they wanted, and even suggesting that they were nice until we started messing with them (!!!) is utterly naïve (and that's the nicest thing I can say about it).