I don't think it's fair or appropriate for anyone to "demand" his return through a poll or ad-hoc collection of requests in this thread.
No one has demanded anything. What people have done is say they disagree him being kicked off, for various reasons. My suggestion of a poll was simply to find out how people felt about this issue. If P1 cares what their listeners think and wants to represent the community, why wouldn't they want that information?
Now they got sarcasmdetector on the show as a host. He is no casual player at all - he knows the game mechanics in depth, knows how the dps crowd ticks, has a solid grasp on what tools are used by said players to measure dps and looks at numbers and results first and foremost.
When they put him on they had to choose. Either pull him more toward the casual crowd to make it fit the general theme or allow him to use that in depth knowledge to shift the show a little bit to appeal more to the hardcore players - players we see in the dps channels or in what's left of the pvp subgroup.
I think you are creating a false scenario by making it sound like Kam would be dictating the direction of the show, when the reality is he was only 1 out of 3 hosts. Even if his perspective is more hardcore than the average player, the other 2 hosts were still there, so it's not P1 was suddenly going to be "the Kam show".
so "shifting the show a little bit" is understood as turning P1 into "the kam show"? And i am the one creating the false scenario?
I voiced my view of it and that is all, but apparently some people here are on a crusade of sorts and my opinion doesn't fit in their narrow agenda. Now that sounds like creating a false scenario. Or does it?
To ignore that feedback is to ignore the very community they say they represent. You cant have it both ways. You cant represent someone if you ignore the things they say that you may not like.
In regards to your last line , you may have noticed that P1 is no longer soliciting questions for interviews from said community ... .
Now they got sarcasmdetector on the show as a host. He is no casual player at all - he knows the game mechanics in depth, knows how the dps crowd ticks, has a solid grasp on what tools are used by said players to measure dps and looks at numbers and results first and foremost.
When they put him on they had to choose. Either pull him more toward the casual crowd to make it fit the general theme or allow him to use that in depth knowledge to shift the show a little bit to appeal more to the hardcore players - players we see in the dps channels or in what's left of the pvp subgroup.
I think you are creating a false scenario by making it sound like Kam would be dictating the direction of the show, when the reality is he was only 1 out of 3 hosts. Even if his perspective is more hardcore than the average player, the other 2 hosts were still there, so it's not P1 was suddenly going to be "the Kam show".
so "shifting the show a little bit" is understood as turning P1 into "the kam show"? And i am the one creating the false scenario?
I voiced my view of it and that is all, but apparently some people here are on a crusade of sorts and my opinion doesn't fit in their narrow agenda. Now that sounds like creating a false scenario. Or does it?
Sorry if I misunderstood you, but it sounded like you were saying that Kam's influence was somehow going to change the show in a significantly noticeable way. If that was not your point, and you were only talking about some microscopic shift that would barely even be noticed, I'm not sure exactly what point you were trying to make?
In regards to your last line , you may have noticed that P1 is no longer soliciting questions for interviews from said community ... .
I'm not sure if that is true or not. I have only listened to the first 2 parts of this interview, but I seem to recall them prefacing several questions with "someone asked" or "several people asked about this". That at least makes it sound like they are getting questions from somewhere.
Now they got sarcasmdetector on the show as a host. He is no casual player at all - he knows the game mechanics in depth, knows how the dps crowd ticks, has a solid grasp on what tools are used by said players to measure dps and looks at numbers and results first and foremost.
When they put him on they had to choose. Either pull him more toward the casual crowd to make it fit the general theme or allow him to use that in depth knowledge to shift the show a little bit to appeal more to the hardcore players - players we see in the dps channels or in what's left of the pvp subgroup.
I think you are creating a false scenario by making it sound like Kam would be dictating the direction of the show, when the reality is he was only 1 out of 3 hosts. Even if his perspective is more hardcore than the average player, the other 2 hosts were still there, so it's not P1 was suddenly going to be "the Kam show".
so "shifting the show a little bit" is understood as turning P1 into "the kam show"? And i am the one creating the false scenario?
I voiced my view of it and that is all, but apparently some people here are on a crusade of sorts and my opinion doesn't fit in their narrow agenda. Now that sounds like creating a false scenario. Or does it?
Sorry if I misunderstood you, but it sounded like you were saying that Kam's influence was somehow going to change the show in a significantly noticeable way. If that was not your point, and you were only talking about some microscopic shift that would barely even be noticed, I'm not sure exactly what point you were trying to make?
So to you there is no inbetween extremes? It's either turning p1 into the kam show or microscopic and barely noticeable? There is a difference between "misunderstanding" and wilful ignorance.
I did actually try to see your side of things but with every post you just burnt more of your credibility. It makes it difficult to take you or your opinion serious to the point where someone could just conclude that you're not interested in information or discussion but only in spreading, instigating and propagating a certain opinion.
That being the case, it will do no good to discuss this any further.
I think the mistake that happened here was, that they got sarcasmdetector the wrong job. They got themselves an incredible asset but put it in the wrong spot. For a fulltime host they need someone that fits better with the casual crowd and the light banter. If you listen to older episodes you will notice quicky, that he seems like the odd man out. Its no failure on his part at all though.
So ... are you suggesting a sort of middle road, something like have Kam on the show when they do interviews as a guest host ?
That's a refreshing thought ... , one that I have not read here or on the 250+ comments on Reddit .
If both sides would show interest , it might be something to consider ... .
I think the mistake that happened here was, that they got sarcasmdetector the wrong job. They got themselves an incredible asset but put it in the wrong spot. For a fulltime host they need someone that fits better with the casual crowd and the light banter. If you listen to older episodes you will notice quicky, that he seems like the odd man out. Its no failure on his part at all though.
So ... are you suggesting a sort of middle road, something like have Kam on the show when they do interviews as a guest host ?
That's a refreshing thought ... , one that I have not read here or on the 250+ comments on Reddit .
If both sides would show interest , it might be something to consider ... .
Pretty much, yes.
He did bring a very unique perspective to the show that none of the other hosts have because it needs a certain insight into the game mechanics and a very distinct subset of players.
Giving him a few minutes per show to host a "game mechanics" segment and giving him a go at interviews with guests that did involve said mechanics, that would've been a real catch for P1. Because as you can see in this very thread, there seems to be a whole subgroup of the community that don't really listen to the show because its tangential to their interests.
I can only speculate that they were too focused on finding a very specific type of host that they just didn't see the gem they had and placed at the wrong spot. In that regard, i think, they did drop the ball.
So to you there is no inbetween extremes? It's either turning p1 into the kam show or microscopic and barely noticeable? There is a difference between "misunderstanding" and wilful ignorance.
I did actually try to see your side of things but with every post you just burnt more of your credibility. It makes it difficult to take you or your opinion serious to the point where someone could just conclude that you're not interested in information or discussion but only in spreading, instigating and propagating a certain opinion.
That being the case, it will do no good to discuss this any further.
If calling me "willfully ignorant" makes you feel better, that's fine. Anyway, the point of your earlier post *seemed*(to me) to be that Kam's influence was going to change the show enough that it became something different than what it "is"(even though it's changed quite a bit lately with all the host departures). And the only reason I could imagine you would even be making that point if is if you thought the change was enough that it actually mattered.
You seemed to be suggesting that he was going to single-handedly change the show, with no mention of the fact that there were still 2 other hosts who were not hard core players like him. If that is not what you meant, I apologize again for misunderstanding. But at the same time, if that is not what you meant, it takes the wind out of the sails from any argument that he was changing the show in any significant way, especially enough to warrant his being kicked off.
Kam brought a balance to the show that was never seen prior with data to back it up not one of the hosts reading the info and not expanding on it. While the interviews with the Trek-related, but not STO-related are good and informative, but their STO interviews are basically shallow with very little information that could be found with a few minutes of researching on the forums, reddit, and various twitter feeds. This last interview expanded beyond that basic information and gave us a window in how an episode goes from idea to implementation and more into how the Devs view the queues. I was looking forward to those interviews.
Oh, i bet most players don't want a Dev to be grilled or put in a place of humiliation, I certainly don't. That last interview was very far from being a Dev-grill time, more like a microwave warm up.
Nagus was talking about the Priority One Podcast crew listening to feedback about the podcast. You are talking about bugs ingame. The P1 crew not only are not devs capable of fixing bugs, they don't even work for Cryptic or PWE at all.
"Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
Meh, I think it's simply time for me to take a break from the P1 podcast and just play the game. Any new info I can always get on reddit, or the Show. If I need help with build advice, I can always pm Sarcasm or Ogden in game. I know Kam helped me a looong time ago with a kick butt Vesta build pre DR. and he has always been willing to help others as well.
I don't even care if he sounds like Bane with a sore throat, the man is a genuinely nice dude. Hell, he just sounds like half the old Marine Drill instructors I used to drink with back in the day.
My mother always told me to walk away from a fight, The Marines taught me how.
None of us know anything other than what we've been told by the parties involved (All of whom are biased in their viewpoint).
None of us were there for the meeting.
None of us know the reasons he was let go.
You may disagree with it, from a listener perspective. But we have no idea if it was "unfair."
It may have been totally warranted. Or it may have been completely knee-jerk.
None of us know anything other than what we've been told by the parties involved (All of whom are biased in their viewpoint).
None of us were there for the meeting.
None of us know the reasons he was let go.
You may disagree with it, from a listener perspective. But we have no idea if it was "unfair."
It may have been totally warranted. Or it may have been completely knee-jerk.
Bottom line: We don't know.
Great point. And when we don't know something, we should ask for more information. That is, after all, the only way you learn.
I'm going to guess that "The Big Dig" and "Klingon Scout Force" are on the cutting board along with "Gorn Minefield". It's a shame, because I actually like "The Big Dig". Then, there's "Breaking the Planet", which I don't believe there was ever a queue for, and the KDF mission "Federation Minefield", which for some reason appears twice in the PvE queue window. I have one suggestion for saving these missions: Is it possible to keep them available for private matches even if you remove them from the public queues?
There's another reason why certain missions are seldom played that wasn't mentioned in the podcast. It's not only low rewards and high difficulty, though, of course, those factors contribute. Some missions simply require too many players to start. "The Big Dig" and "Klingon Scout Force" fall into this category. So do "Mine Trap" and "Starbase Fleet Defense". If you're queued for two missions, one requiring 5 players and another requiring 15, guess which one will start first. The 15-to-20-man missions never start, because players keep leaving the queue to play other missions.
I would hope that the Gorn Minefield wouldn't get cut, it's one of the only fleet alerts which still actually pops. I play it a couple of times a day usually, more when it's up on the daily rotation because more people want to run it. If they just did away with the daily rewards for those and upped the standard payout then more people would play that I'd say as it's a pretty good fleet mark mission. Plus coming in first or second and getting a VR MK XII item is good as 8/10 times you get something which will sell well on the exchange.
I agree about the 15-20 man missions though, I think those are probably going to get cut and that saddens me as I really enjoy those missions. I still run Klingon Scout Force solo usually if it comes up on the daily, takes a bit of time but I like the mission and it's a shame it doesn't pop any more. I remember a year ago I used to run whichever of the missions was up for the daily with all of my toons. Now I'm lucky if I can get one of those to pop in a month, let alone 13 a day.
Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
True alters don't have a "main". Account wide unlocks for all unique event rewards!!
I asked if Feds/Klingons will ever get a ship on par with the Scimi/Tulwar. The Answer is basically Romulans and their ships are intentionally better than Klinks and Feds, but when the T6 flagship get released; Geko said they would be closer together in performance than the current flagship roundup.
I read this as "You get a hanger bay! And you get a hanger bay! Everyone gets a hanger bay!"
Like allude to before - I see it as a casting gone wrong.
Which can happen in entertainment productions, for example: Geneviève Bujold as Janeway
Both Ms. Bujold and Ms. Mulgrew were accomplished and talented actresses, but one fit better for the job.
(Although I sometimes wonder if any of them fit )
So, I think, it has nothing to do with the value of a person on its own, but was a directorial decision.
That being said though, I need to have a look at the math ;-) :
1) Elijah + Cookie + Jayce = good chemistry
and
2) Kam + Kenna + Jayce = bad chemistry (which it totally was)
doesn't conclude:
3) Kam = bad chemistry
making a new post to clearly seperate my totally subjective opinion (and please don't take personal offense, but I'm going to be blunt from a directorial standpoint)
So before we had as hosts:
passionate middle class player + bubbly orchid newbie + professor
= fun mixed with insight. awesome!
And lately we had:
reserved but top of his class professor^10 + grade school teacher + professor
= much more insight with no fun
I wouldn't have reduced the insight, I would have ramped up the fun!
My casting choice would have been:
1) Let Kam replace Jayce or keep Kam as a guest expert.
2) Get Kenna to lighten up. And do something about her voice. I don't wanna be reminded of school days.
3) Find a real anchorman.
Someone STO-passionate first and STO-middle class second.
Bring back James ... Tony ... Chris from STOked ... anyone with attitude and extroverted passion!
I asked if Feds/Klingons will ever get a ship on par with the Scimi/Tulwar. The Answer is basically Romulans and their ships are intentionally better than Klinks and Feds, but when the T6 flagship get released; Geko said they would be closer together in performance than the current flagship roundup.
I read this as "You get a hanger bay! And you get a hanger bay! Everyone gets a hanger bay!"
I read that in the voice of Oprah Winfrey.
(/\) Exploring Star Trek Online Since July 2008 (/\)
I asked if Feds/Klingons will ever get a ship on par with the Scimi/Tulwar. The Answer is basically Romulans and their ships are intentionally better than Klinks and Feds, but when the T6 flagship get released; Geko said they would be closer together in performance than the current flagship roundup.
I read this as "You get a hanger bay! And you get a hanger bay! Everyone gets a hanger bay!"
I read that in the voice of Oprah Winfrey.
Now, read it in the voice of Geko doing his Oprah impersonation.
"Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
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No one has demanded anything. What people have done is say they disagree him being kicked off, for various reasons. My suggestion of a poll was simply to find out how people felt about this issue. If P1 cares what their listeners think and wants to represent the community, why wouldn't they want that information?
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I voiced my view of it and that is all, but apparently some people here are on a crusade of sorts and my opinion doesn't fit in their narrow agenda. Now that sounds like creating a false scenario. Or does it?
In regards to your last line , you may have noticed that P1 is no longer soliciting questions for interviews from said community ... .
Sorry if I misunderstood you, but it sounded like you were saying that Kam's influence was somehow going to change the show in a significantly noticeable way. If that was not your point, and you were only talking about some microscopic shift that would barely even be noticed, I'm not sure exactly what point you were trying to make?
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I'm not sure if that is true or not. I have only listened to the first 2 parts of this interview, but I seem to recall them prefacing several questions with "someone asked" or "several people asked about this". That at least makes it sound like they are getting questions from somewhere.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
So to you there is no inbetween extremes? It's either turning p1 into the kam show or microscopic and barely noticeable? There is a difference between "misunderstanding" and wilful ignorance.
I did actually try to see your side of things but with every post you just burnt more of your credibility. It makes it difficult to take you or your opinion serious to the point where someone could just conclude that you're not interested in information or discussion but only in spreading, instigating and propagating a certain opinion.
That being the case, it will do no good to discuss this any further.
So ... are you suggesting a sort of middle road, something like have Kam on the show when they do interviews as a guest host ?
That's a refreshing thought ... , one that I have not read here or on the 250+ comments on Reddit .
If both sides would show interest , it might be something to consider ... .
Pretty much, yes.
He did bring a very unique perspective to the show that none of the other hosts have because it needs a certain insight into the game mechanics and a very distinct subset of players.
Giving him a few minutes per show to host a "game mechanics" segment and giving him a go at interviews with guests that did involve said mechanics, that would've been a real catch for P1. Because as you can see in this very thread, there seems to be a whole subgroup of the community that don't really listen to the show because its tangential to their interests.
I can only speculate that they were too focused on finding a very specific type of host that they just didn't see the gem they had and placed at the wrong spot. In that regard, i think, they did drop the ball.
If calling me "willfully ignorant" makes you feel better, that's fine. Anyway, the point of your earlier post *seemed*(to me) to be that Kam's influence was going to change the show enough that it became something different than what it "is"(even though it's changed quite a bit lately with all the host departures). And the only reason I could imagine you would even be making that point if is if you thought the change was enough that it actually mattered.
You seemed to be suggesting that he was going to single-handedly change the show, with no mention of the fact that there were still 2 other hosts who were not hard core players like him. If that is not what you meant, I apologize again for misunderstanding. But at the same time, if that is not what you meant, it takes the wind out of the sails from any argument that he was changing the show in any significant way, especially enough to warrant his being kicked off.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Oh, i bet most players don't want a Dev to be grilled or put in a place of humiliation, I certainly don't. That last interview was very far from being a Dev-grill time, more like a microwave warm up.
Nagus was talking about the Priority One Podcast crew listening to feedback about the podcast. You are talking about bugs ingame. The P1 crew not only are not devs capable of fixing bugs, they don't even work for Cryptic or PWE at all.
I don't even care if he sounds like Bane with a sore throat, the man is a genuinely nice dude. Hell, he just sounds like half the old Marine Drill instructors I used to drink with back in the day.
None of us know anything other than what we've been told by the parties involved (All of whom are biased in their viewpoint).
None of us were there for the meeting.
None of us know the reasons he was let go.
You may disagree with it, from a listener perspective. But we have no idea if it was "unfair."
It may have been totally warranted. Or it may have been completely knee-jerk.
Bottom line: We don't know.
Great point. And when we don't know something, we should ask for more information. That is, after all, the only way you learn.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I would hope that the Gorn Minefield wouldn't get cut, it's one of the only fleet alerts which still actually pops. I play it a couple of times a day usually, more when it's up on the daily rotation because more people want to run it. If they just did away with the daily rewards for those and upped the standard payout then more people would play that I'd say as it's a pretty good fleet mark mission. Plus coming in first or second and getting a VR MK XII item is good as 8/10 times you get something which will sell well on the exchange.
I agree about the 15-20 man missions though, I think those are probably going to get cut and that saddens me as I really enjoy those missions. I still run Klingon Scout Force solo usually if it comes up on the daily, takes a bit of time but I like the mission and it's a shame it doesn't pop any more. I remember a year ago I used to run whichever of the missions was up for the daily with all of my toons. Now I'm lucky if I can get one of those to pop in a month, let alone 13 a day.
I read this as "You get a hanger bay! And you get a hanger bay! Everyone gets a hanger bay!"
Like allude to before - I see it as a casting gone wrong.
Which can happen in entertainment productions, for example:
Geneviève Bujold as Janeway
Both Ms. Bujold and Ms. Mulgrew were accomplished and talented actresses, but one fit better for the job.
(Although I sometimes wonder if any of them fit
So, I think, it has nothing to do with the value of a person on its own, but was a directorial decision.
That being said though, I need to have a look at the math ;-) :
1) Elijah + Cookie + Jayce = good chemistry
and
2) Kam + Kenna + Jayce = bad chemistry (which it totally was)
doesn't conclude:
3) Kam = bad chemistry
(and please don't take personal offense, but I'm going to be blunt from a directorial standpoint)
So before we had as hosts:
passionate middle class player + bubbly orchid newbie + professor
= fun mixed with insight. awesome!
And lately we had:
reserved but top of his class professor^10 + grade school teacher + professor
= much more insight with no fun
I wouldn't have reduced the insight, I would have ramped up the fun!
My casting choice would have been:
1) Let Kam replace Jayce or keep Kam as a guest expert.
2) Get Kenna to lighten up. And do something about her voice. I don't wanna be reminded of school days.
3) Find a real anchorman.
Someone STO-passionate first and STO-middle class second.
Bring back James ... Tony ... Chris from STOked ... anyone with attitude and extroverted passion!
*ducksandcovers*
I read that in the voice of Oprah Winfrey.
Now, read it in the voice of Geko doing his Oprah impersonation.