As for a T6 MVAE, I'd love to see them really take a chance to go out on a limb. Instead of gaining access to specialized Boff seating, separated portions gain access to the specialization mechanics.
Alpha Command gains Inspiration, Beta Command gets Pilot maneuvering thrusters, Gamma gets gather Intel and exploit. So this would allow the Captain to choose a mode, with each having a particular focus.
That..sounds a little too OP. Good idea, but just a little OP
If Cryptic could actually make NPC AI of any use at all, then Separation Units be actually useful. MVAE, DV Haakona, Galaxy/Gal-X Saucers, Odyssey Chevron, Sheshar Assault Module. Those Separation Units are just TRIBBLE.
T6 Excelsior is in the works, along with the new doff box, the ships that come with it, and the Lobi ship, plus the Episodes (No spoilers). The Krenim lockbox has some neat stuff. Plus for us Excelsior lovers (yes Cryptic, I said I'd pay up to $50 for a T6 Excelsior, so start charging me now lol) has some nice stats, keeps the clean lines, and doesnt have the "fuglyness" some of the new 2410 ships have. (No offense to Cryptic Artists, I'm just an old school trekker)
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The Excelsior would sell very well. Even the older ship was a high seller. I love mine and used it a good bit. Mine has the old looks but with glowing nacelles.
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And they're good, too. They catch most of the incoming ships but a few did slip in past them. The T6 Vet DDs were not caught. They found the T6 Galaxy & Negh'Var but no D'Deridex was known (just guesses) until Cryptic themselves let out their news announcement.
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I didn't see half of what @tieberione mentioned in Fight Club but that's a discussion for Not Here.
That said, given my current love affair with my tac's Fleet Excel, its all but a day one purchase for me anyways.
You know, I bought the T6 battlecruiser. After a few spins I miss my Excel. So after I get the Mastery, then it'll go in the dockyard and used for "the spice of life".
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Edit: she did ask nicely, and is a huge Excel supporter:
Excelsior [T6]
Trait: Improved Weaponized Emitters: to targets within 3 km of target: {Magnitude} Radiation Damage per sec {Duration} (Ignores Shields).
Console: to foe: -{Magnitude}% Speed and Turn Rate on hit {Duration}
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The power of google may reveal the source of leaks regarding star trek online... But remember, once you looked behind the curtain, you can't take it back.
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Edit: she did ask nicely, and is a huge Excel supporter:
Excelsior [T6]
Trait: Improved Weaponized Emitters: to targets within 3 km of target: {Magnitude} Radiation Damage per sec {Duration} (Ignores Shields).
Console: to foe: -{Magnitude}% Speed and Turn Rate on hit {Duration}
I think the interesting information might be more about the looks of the ships, the not-to-be-named-source doesn't seem to contain that information. (Of course the "source of the source" might include that information, it just wasn't leaked yet )
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Hmm. Don't get me wrong, I am very fond of the Excelsior class and don't have a problem with a T6 version. I do, however, feel that it should NOT have been given priority over some newer designs.
I wonder what ship you would have preferred...
Okay, i don't.
But I think updating the Sovereign or the Odyssee/Bortas/Scimitar might have been more urgent.
But... Maybe it's also a question of available specializations? Maybe Cryptic has yet to implement a good fitting spec for them? I mean, you could always default to Command because that kinda fits for ships that used to be flag ships, but that will also collide with existing ships to some extent.
How would the Andromeda and Sovereign really differ in the end if both have a Command Spec BO?
Oh, and I think the ship I want more is a new Star Cruiser. I kinda miss seeing these graceful space whales.
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Again, I don't mind a T6 Excelsior - but I do feel that it receives favourable attention on the flimsy basis of it being a Dev favorite.
Regardless of it being a dev favourite, it does have history on it's side, close to 200 years of service as a design, more than any other ship in starfleet history. It only makes sense that the SCE would make an attempt to use new technology and design knowledge to improve upon it. Admittedly this might fail spectacularly, these things usually do, but it's worth trying to get another 200 years out of the design if you can.
Again, I don't mind a T6 Excelsior - but I do feel that it receives favourable attention on the flimsy basis of it being a Dev favorite.
Meh, I'm okay with that I've seen that source and that's all that is known (from that source).
I'm not convinced on the history argument: the ship is old. Frankly, it's in the game because players want it, not because it should be there. Okay, maybe from Dev desire too. Same could be said for a myriad of ships (Miranda, Connie, Oberth, etc.).
So I actually did not expect a T6 Excel for a long time because other ships do deserve the love more for the sake of current timeline stuff. I actually think the Galaxy class got the T6 more because of player demand and less because of anything else. Yet I would have expected the Galaxy before the Excel. Having said that, I also expected the Sovereign > Excel for T6 treatment too.
T6 Excelsior - once again, Cryptic abandons any hope of streamlining the ship layout and bring some sense into it. They repeat T5 step-by-step, oversaturating the line-up, filling it with old ships which by all means and purposes have no deal being up there. Mind you, nothing against the Excel, but it makes no sense. What can the Excel possibly bring to T6 what the Avenger or Sovereign isn't already?
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Well it has a different look to it and a different feel when flying. For Cryptic it has it's own fanbase which is probably somewhat larger than these forums suggest so they make a tonne of money out of it. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the T6 Excel alone funds a year of development.
Well it has a different look to it and a different feel when flying. For Cryptic it has it's own fanbase which is probably somewhat larger than these forums suggest so they make a tonne of money out of it. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the T6 Excel alone funds a year of development.
Sure, I know that. I didn't mean from a business perspective, of course Cryptic would be crazy not to release every single ship again as T6.
I meant from a lore consistency angle. The starship line-up should show some sign of evolution. T1-T4 are "old" ships in their base designs (roughly). T5 are "old but capable" ships and retrofits of older ships brought en par with recent technology available to the spaceframe. Then there's the "refit" line-up Cryptic made which is kinda pointless aside from providing paintjobs for old ships - but lorewise, those refits are upgraded/modified spaceframes to sport the recent 25th century technology. "Fleet" ships don't have a lore-reason and I ignore them as STOs fleets make no sense in-universe logic. Now comes T6 which is supposed to be even newer, even recent starships to replace the line-up that was before. As such, the Avenger/Arbiter thinger pretty much replaces all kinds of heavy cruisers we saw before. The Andromeda is the new edge in Exploration Cruisers and so on. Why should the Excelsior line (which itself evolved and "ended" in the Sovereign already) get a new T6 incarnation, logically?
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I can't really answer that, even as a major Excel fan. I'll leave that to Cryptic when they decide to release them. Although I should imagine even Cryptic's announcement will read something along the lines of "Back by popular demand..."
Canon ship designs have always carried lots of weight, regardless of the faction. Before the T6 Galaxy, when the Galaxy-class was sooooooo awfulll, you still saw plenty of them around.
Ltc Sci slot would be nuts and almost everyone would slot GW because ... rules.
Lt.Cmdr Science should have been what the Galaxy (EXPLORATION Cruiser, right?) should have gotten. But everone cried for more tactical skills, and they got their wish.
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Lt.Cmdr Science should have been what the Galaxy (EXPLORATION Cruiser, right?) should have gotten. But everone cried for more tactical skills, and they got their wish.
This exactly. I'm actually rather disappointed with the T6 Galaxy going from a "flavour" perspective. But it was all "we need FAW III for deepeeess!" and the devs listened.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Man, if the T6 Galaxy got LtC Sci, the forums would have burned with rage.
Maybe, but only because DPS-hungry buffoons don't/can't/won't realise the effectiveness of b]Insert LtC Sci Skill Here[/b.
Personally, I prefer the Tactical layout over a potential Science FAWboat..but only because I think it fits better with the Dominion War role of a battleship.
[OFF TOPIC] I also have one question: what makes FAW 3 better than ranks I or II? Does it hit more targets?
They listened to customer demands and so they are to blame? Man, if the T6 Galaxy got LtC Sci, the forums would have burned with rage.
I blame Cryptic and short-sighted players to equal parts
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"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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That..sounds a little too OP. Good idea, but just a little OP
I know there's one in the works and I know the trait looks good but I don't know anything about the design, what's your source?
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Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
The power of google may reveal the source of leaks regarding star trek online... But remember, once you looked behind the curtain, you can't take it back.
And they're good, too. They catch most of the incoming ships but a few did slip in past them. The T6 Vet DDs were not caught. They found the T6 Galaxy & Negh'Var but no D'Deridex was known (just guesses) until Cryptic themselves let out their news announcement.
I didn't see half of what @tieberione mentioned in Fight Club but that's a discussion for Not Here.
That said, given my current love affair with my tac's Fleet Excel, its all but a day one purchase for me anyways.
You know, I bought the T6 battlecruiser. After a few spins I miss my Excel. So after I get the Mastery, then it'll go in the dockyard and used for "the spice of life".
You heard the man.. Soon (tm)
Edit: she did ask nicely, and is a huge Excel supporter:
Excelsior [T6]
Trait: Improved Weaponized Emitters: to targets within 3 km of target: {Magnitude} Radiation Damage per sec {Duration} (Ignores Shields).
Console: to foe: -{Magnitude}% Speed and Turn Rate on hit {Duration}
Okay, i don't.
But I think updating the Sovereign or the Odyssee/Bortas/Scimitar might have been more urgent.
But... Maybe it's also a question of available specializations? Maybe Cryptic has yet to implement a good fitting spec for them? I mean, you could always default to Command because that kinda fits for ships that used to be flag ships, but that will also collide with existing ships to some extent.
How would the Andromeda and Sovereign really differ in the end if both have a Command Spec BO?
Oh, and I think the ship I want more is a new Star Cruiser. I kinda miss seeing these graceful space whales.
Regardless of it being a dev favourite, it does have history on it's side, close to 200 years of service as a design, more than any other ship in starfleet history. It only makes sense that the SCE would make an attempt to use new technology and design knowledge to improve upon it. Admittedly this might fail spectacularly, these things usually do, but it's worth trying to get another 200 years out of the design if you can.
Meh, I'm okay with that
I'm not convinced on the history argument: the ship is old. Frankly, it's in the game because players want it, not because it should be there. Okay, maybe from Dev desire too. Same could be said for a myriad of ships (Miranda, Connie, Oberth, etc.).
So I actually did not expect a T6 Excel for a long time because other ships do deserve the love more for the sake of current timeline stuff. I actually think the Galaxy class got the T6 more because of player demand and less because of anything else. Yet I would have expected the Galaxy before the Excel. Having said that, I also expected the Sovereign > Excel for T6 treatment too.
So, since that is not happening then .. nyah nyah
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Sure, I know that. I didn't mean from a business perspective, of course Cryptic would be crazy not to release every single ship again as T6.
I meant from a lore consistency angle. The starship line-up should show some sign of evolution. T1-T4 are "old" ships in their base designs (roughly). T5 are "old but capable" ships and retrofits of older ships brought en par with recent technology available to the spaceframe. Then there's the "refit" line-up Cryptic made which is kinda pointless aside from providing paintjobs for old ships - but lorewise, those refits are upgraded/modified spaceframes to sport the recent 25th century technology. "Fleet" ships don't have a lore-reason and I ignore them as STOs fleets make no sense in-universe logic. Now comes T6 which is supposed to be even newer, even recent starships to replace the line-up that was before. As such, the Avenger/Arbiter thinger pretty much replaces all kinds of heavy cruisers we saw before. The Andromeda is the new edge in Exploration Cruisers and so on. Why should the Excelsior line (which itself evolved and "ended" in the Sovereign already) get a new T6 incarnation, logically?
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Canon ship designs have always carried lots of weight, regardless of the faction. Before the T6 Galaxy, when the Galaxy-class was sooooooo awfulll, you still saw plenty of them around.
I love the retrofit or is it refit hull (Lakota & Enterprise-B), but have for years preferred the Ambassador for it's LTC Sci.
The Canon Excel hull, with a LTC Sci would make me do some thinking, but not sure I would bite.
Lt.Cmdr Science should have been what the Galaxy (EXPLORATION Cruiser, right?) should have gotten. But everone cried for more tactical skills, and they got their wish.
This exactly. I'm actually rather disappointed with the T6 Galaxy going from a "flavour" perspective. But it was all "we need FAW III for deepeeess!" and the devs listened.
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Personally, I prefer the Tactical layout over a potential Science FAWboat..but only because I think it fits better with the Dominion War role of a battleship.
[OFF TOPIC] I also have one question: what makes FAW 3 better than ranks I or II? Does it hit more targets?
I blame Cryptic and short-sighted players to equal parts
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