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retrain skill points

sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
in Star Trek Online General Discussion
this "service" should be definitely free or at least the price of the "captain retrain token" should be lowered. the skills are very important part of this game, and each time that we want to modify them, we must pay even if this is only for few skills points. for example, i don't use torp now for 1 of my toon, thus i want to use the torp skills point for something else (6 points); 6 points -> 500 zen !!!

we should be able to modify our skills without limits. and if a limit is needed; 2 changes available per toons and per month

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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    I think they leave it that way because the retrain tokens are one of the few reasons to have a gold membership. I agree though, F2P should get at least 1 or 2.
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  • greyhame3greyhame3 Member Posts: 914 Arc User
    One when you hit max level would probably be good for free players. But if you want to spend $15 you can get 5-6 while levelling and then cancel your sub.
  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    seaofsorrows wrote: »
    I think they leave it that way because the retrain tokens are one of the few reasons to have a gold membership. I agree though, F2P should get at least 1 or 2.

    oh ok. i'm a F2P :p well, in this case, they could give to the f2p 1 or 2 retrain tokens per month and per account . I agree to pay for a lot of things because cryptic must pay its devs :p , but 5 euros for 6 skills points, it is too much.

  • thatcursedwolfthatcursedwolf Member Posts: 1,617 Arc User
    A once per 3 months non-stacking account level retrain token would probably net them money as it'd get people used to the idea that they can redo skills and might encourage them to buy them instead of just sitting on jack-of-all-trades builds (in the best case) or noob trap ridden leveling builds (likely case) or just parking or deleting the poorly built captain.

    I loved (non-sarcastic) it when an old captain would get the skills invalid bug and would be forced to retrain all their skills. Basically a new lease on life. Spending $5 on a new build that really needs the right ship equipment to see if I like it or not is not something I feel inclined to do on top of all the equipment grinding (which with the rep Dil requirements does effectively have a real money cost as well as dil dumped on equipment is dil not turned into Zen).
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  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    thatcursedwolf wrote: »
    or just parking or deleting the poorly built captain.

    i have 2 captains in this situation, they are parked just because i don't want to buy 10 euros of zen and spend 5 euros for the first captain 10 skill points, and 5 euros for the second captain 12 skill points.

    3 other toons need also some changes (minor changes) in their skill points (science and engineering), but for now they will keep their average skill trees. in the past, i used to buy the tokens with zen from the dil exchange, but now the prices are just totally insane.

    the skills like i wrote in my first post, are a very important part of the game, they could at least give us the possibility to modify them for free. these retrain tokens kill the gameplay.
  • bernatkbernatk Member Posts: 1,089 Bug Hunter
    Well, TBH yes, this skill retrain was a quite low hanging fruit for monetization. And it's the most knee-jerk one at that. But I would really like Cryptic to steer away from getting the only income from ships. A revamped skill system could alleviate the pressure on this pooping out ships like no tomorrow... We will see, they promised a skill revamp...
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  • e30erneste30ernest Member Posts: 1,794 Arc User
    I would rather see a system similar to the ship loadouts (multiple stored skill tree settings). Maybe get 2 skill tree slots for free. Each additional skill tree setting slot costs zen. Each time you want to change an existing slot costs zen (just the way it is now). That way, you can switch between ship builds more freely while Cryptic won't be losing sales from retrain tokens. They may even earn more from people who want to add more preset skill trees.

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  • kjwashingtonkjwashington Member Posts: 2,529 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    It's been rumored that there's a skill points revamp in the works. If this happens, it will likely reset everyone's skill pionts (give everyone a free respec). However, these rumors have been around for about a year, so I'd doubt their validity at this point.
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  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    I don't see the need to respec constantly. I'd say most of my captains have been with the same skill set for years now. There is no real point to min maxing the skill system because there aren't enough skill points to get good effect without severely neglecting other areas. Some things can generally be ignored depending on what you want to do (driver coils, batteries, stealth, projectiles if you just use an all energy weapon build, and most science skills are always useless).

    I think f2p can use Tribble to test things out too. Get your respec token, copy over there and play around with different skill builds.
  • Gurneyhallek0420Gurneyhallek0420 Member Posts: 40 Arc User

    e30ernest wrote: »
    I would rather see a system similar to the ship loadouts (multiple stored skill tree settings). Maybe get 2 skill tree slots for free. Each additional skill tree setting slot costs zen. Each time you want to change an existing slot costs zen (just the way it is now). That way, you can switch between ship builds more freely while Cryptic won't be losing sales from retrain tokens. They may even earn more from people who want to add more preset skill trees.

    This is a pretty good idea, respec tokens are in the realm of gouging in my mind at least which changes weekly and/or with new ships/gears/traits/powers etc. I've bought so many tokens I just won't anymore. I would though if I could save the tree. Still I think it should be free.

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  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    after watching bugged loadouts go unfixed for well over a year, there is no way i would want them trying something similar with captain skills.
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  • Gurneyhallek0420Gurneyhallek0420 Member Posts: 40 Arc User
    tehbubbaloo wrote: »
    after watching bugged loadouts go unfixed for well over a year, there is no way i would want them trying something similar with captain skills.

    Well, yeah, kinda goes without saying hehe

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  • hojain2020hojain2020 Member Posts: 417 Arc User
    This is an awesome idea!! and a real quality of life improvement. Cryptic is not going to do it (insert troll face from cryptic here)
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  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    yeah, an interesting idea. but
    after watching bugged loadouts go unfixed for well over a year, there is no way i would want them trying something similar with captain skills.

    so, they could at least give 1 free token per account and per month; if you want to change the skills of your other toons, you must pay.
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