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qrtrmstr
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All of this optimism kind of makes me laugh. People posting threads about what they want/expect/demand in season 10.5/11/and so on....
Guys, and gals if you're listening (reading) some of us have faced facts, and by reading this thread, obviously some of us have not.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1479431&page=4
So let me explain to you in terms that everyone can understand, exactly what you guys are buying (paying for with paying for ships, upgrades, etc etc)
STO was originally designed by a bankrupted development team/company and it was more along the lines of Star Trek. It was to have exploration and missions to do both on planet surfaces and aboard ship. However, it was also being developed as a game where you would work your way up through the ranks. That meant you answered to a captain aboard a ship and did what you were told.
This company went belly up and sold STO to Cryptic. Cryptic scrapped the whole thing and changed it to a fighting game. Their logic behind it was "nobody wants to be an ensign working their way up and answering to an npc captain."
So, here's what you have, an MMO that launched in beta for the most part to make the deadline. As it goes it gets tweaked. The second dev team screwed up the drop rate for the elite gear at end game and everyone bitched because players could runs hundreds of runs and one guy could run it once and get the drop for the helmet, or gun, etc....thus was the dawn of the rep system.
Now it's all about rep. Now this is what nobody seems to understand....THIS IS ALL this particular game is. It will be rep, every season, every addition of actual content will be PvE queues and rep. THAT is ALL! PERIOD!!! If you want exploration and this or that or anything else mentioned, you will need to wait for Star Trek Timelines or something else because it's not what this game is and for as long as Cryptic and Perfeft World is in charge of it, it will NEVER be anything BUT what it is.
You can either play something else or try and get everyone to stop playing and hope that the owner of PWE (since the company is doing really badly and went private recently) will sell Cryptic and STO to a publishing house (hopefully stateside) that could breathe new life into STO.
But until THAT day, this is the game, it hasn't changed in years, it's just new skins on the same format, over and over and over again...and because people keep PAYING, they see no need to change it. End of story.
Guys, and gals if you're listening (reading) some of us have faced facts, and by reading this thread, obviously some of us have not.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1479431&page=4
So let me explain to you in terms that everyone can understand, exactly what you guys are buying (paying for with paying for ships, upgrades, etc etc)
STO was originally designed by a bankrupted development team/company and it was more along the lines of Star Trek. It was to have exploration and missions to do both on planet surfaces and aboard ship. However, it was also being developed as a game where you would work your way up through the ranks. That meant you answered to a captain aboard a ship and did what you were told.
This company went belly up and sold STO to Cryptic. Cryptic scrapped the whole thing and changed it to a fighting game. Their logic behind it was "nobody wants to be an ensign working their way up and answering to an npc captain."
So, here's what you have, an MMO that launched in beta for the most part to make the deadline. As it goes it gets tweaked. The second dev team screwed up the drop rate for the elite gear at end game and everyone bitched because players could runs hundreds of runs and one guy could run it once and get the drop for the helmet, or gun, etc....thus was the dawn of the rep system.
Now it's all about rep. Now this is what nobody seems to understand....THIS IS ALL this particular game is. It will be rep, every season, every addition of actual content will be PvE queues and rep. THAT is ALL! PERIOD!!! If you want exploration and this or that or anything else mentioned, you will need to wait for Star Trek Timelines or something else because it's not what this game is and for as long as Cryptic and Perfeft World is in charge of it, it will NEVER be anything BUT what it is.
You can either play something else or try and get everyone to stop playing and hope that the owner of PWE (since the company is doing really badly and went private recently) will sell Cryptic and STO to a publishing house (hopefully stateside) that could breathe new life into STO.
But until THAT day, this is the game, it hasn't changed in years, it's just new skins on the same format, over and over and over again...and because people keep PAYING, they see no need to change it. End of story.
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I don't think it'll go any better now...
Still too long. Mind shortening it down to maybe one word?
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10052253
Why are you not rejoicing?
I agree. It's a Star Trek combat game, even a bad one. Everyone paying for this, deserves it.
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Hey OP, since you'll be whimper-quitting soon:
Can I haz ur stuffs?
The purpose of this thread is to simply explain this game is fighting game, it's not an exploration game, it's not a poker game, it's not all the dumb TRIBBLE everyone says "it had better become or I am going to quit" wha wha wha!
This is the game, like it or not, this is it, it's what you pay into, hence it's what you're buying. End of story. It will never be what it isn't anymore than any other game will be like this.
However, there is a lot of redundancy in STO, it IS new skins on a 5 year old format...but again, THAT's STO. If you don't like it, leave. Stop paying, do whatever the hell you want. But stop making threads about how you hope this and that or else because STO is going to be exactly what it is until they stop making money and shut it off and sell it. Capice?!
False. There is also new story content each year. Yes, the content includes combat like almost every other MMO, but the game is not just queues and rep.
Do you want just about every ship in the game (including lobi ships) and every set and every weapon type, all 3 professions and all 3 factions all at level 60? All with upgraded gear? I'm not quitting, but, if you give me 5 grand, I'll give you my account and start over...
Or, you can stop trolling and try and catch up
Riiiiiiight because the story content is so compelling and completely different...
The ONLY time things got interesting on the story side was DR but the level doors got so screwed up that the whole thing was less enjoyment and more frustration for 90% of the players and that was the only time we're gonna see something like that in this game...everyone knows that. Not to mention that it was really short lived. The vast majority of the game is rep because it is what take the most amount of time to get thru.
This game is 90% PvE/Rep and 10% story 0% PvP
The sooner the players realize that, the better we ALL will be
You don't enjoy the story episodes so no one else should? I disagree.
I do enjoy the story episodes, and to me they are not all "reskins" of one story from 5 years ago. I play because I have fun. When it stops being fun for me I'll play something else.
We ha a chance until the PWE buyout of Cryptic..PWE is a Chinese firm that's KNOWN for this grinding TRIBBLE...and until we're away from it, it's all we're gonna get...this Iconian War had so much potential and I knew all we were really gonna get were some short FE's and Rep...and gear that's never gonna dethrone the Assimilated Borg set, yeah we mix and match to max DPS but as for complete sets the Assimialted Borg set is the best. I think it's kind of a sign of what's happened, we've seen and lived the best of it...we all know it's on the slow downward slide, I'm gonna try and enjoy the time we have left...but the players, especially the noobs need to understand that this isn't a "typical" Star Trek outing...it's a war game so to speak. PWE has tied Cryptics hands and said "if you can't monetize it, you can't do it!" It's really that simple.
I'd rather not have the players have some false sense of what "might happen" when we ALL know (those of us that have been around since beta) that what STO has become is a grinding rep game because PWE (not Crytpic, PWE) has said so. And since they sign the paychecks, they have to go along with it. But maybe, if the noobs understand this, perhaps they won't be as disappointed as the rest of us were left being and the forums won't be so damn toxic...hell maybe we can even keep some people around for a while and the game will be a little more fun again. I actually like helping new players but they never stick around long enough.
I do enjoy the stories...that is my favorite part...but they haven't really written enough of them...man we used to get a weekly episode...now it's a few stories at a launch event, but mostly rep...and they have nearly destroyed the foundry...they've made it so difficult for players to make content and nerfed those rewards so bad that we're only seeing die hards continuing with it.
I think they focus too much on episodes and reputation stuff. While those aren't bad things, but it's simply not enough imo.
Aside from doing episodes (which are by definition 100% the same thing everytime) you can do STFs (today only by joining some channels, because the queues are dead). Everyone who wants to play in a more casual way without any drama (STFs) or boredom (episodes, patrols, episodes, patrols...) has a hard time to find anything to to with it.
Of course i can only speak from my personal experience, but after you have equipped your ship/crew in a satisfying way, there's just nothing to do aside from grinding Spec points. (look above)
I may be not speaking the same voice as the big masses, but for me a game becomes interesting AFTER you have done the main Story and THEN have still plenty to do, preferably random created stuff/mods which can make the game go on indefinitely.
I think by removing Exploration the devs have taken away a big deal of freedom and room for RPG from the game. Surely those missions wheren't much different from each other, but you where finally alone with your crew and ship without any pressure and drama from other players, you could play on your own pace. That's what i like to do in a game.
Sure, coming back to one of the games social hub (excluding ESD
Heck, they could have simply added some more mission types (aside from kill 5 waves/scan 5 thingies), that would have done wonders. Just some more variables to include surprises now and then would have also given those missions a whole different feel. But as OP said Cryptic went the shameful lazy way and just removed them.
Their specious justification they didn't stand up to their quality is just laughable, if you consider they didn't add anything in four years, no wonder other parts of the game looked way better. (Bad written episodes and balance issues obviously don't count, lol).
And? You think they will stick around if you add to the toxicity? About instead of worrying about this garbage you log on, roleplay a little, buy a random ship from the exchange and see what you can make it do... Or give it to somebody for no reason at all. There is only one way to "make the game fun again" and that's to stop trying to make it fun again and go blow up some iconians or kazon or Borg or whatever.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
if you find this game fun and find different things to do each and every day you will enjoy playing, if you choose to play the same stuff over and over till you eyes bleed and wonder why its boring then you know how to quit, nobody is forcing you to play.
if you don't like the way the game is and feel you can do better then please do so, if you enjoy the game just the way it is as I do then good for you, keep playing and having fun.
you are free to play or not as you choose but if you choose not to, please have some respect and leave the rest of us alone to enjoy the game as we do.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
It's sad to see a person without hope. If we DON'T ask, we are less likely to get what we would like. Simple as that. If you want it in other terms: you can stand at the roulette table all night long, but if you never risk anything, you are not going to win anything.
We have threads like this revealing currently ongoing fixes to already extant costumes, which isn't exactly a "monetize it or don't do it" thing, since many players already have the costumes which are now getting attention and therefore are unlikely to buy them again ...
We have made requests and seen the requested whatevers given. Notice that it's now 2410 in-game? Notice that the Republic flagship now has a name, and it's the name Romulan players most liked? Forum threads and/or tickets are why both of those things were done.
I could go on with other examples, but the point has been made: give up on ever getting anything you want, and you probably won't get it. Ask, and you might receive.
The Devs do pay attention, whether they respond or not.
And listening does not mean always agreeing. Just like I listened to your posts in this thread, and I didn't agree. Amazing how that works, huh?
you should check your sig first within regards to this pile. i mean your crying about what happened all those years ago and mostly about how bad the rep system is. i would attempt to dump litres of ice cold water on top of you with the intention and making you realize what your doing and what the obvious point you missed in all that, but i would know as not DOOOOOOMMMMM!!!11!!!!11!!!! point but as a fact, that the reply wouldnt be one of thinking but one of insults. so i leave and tell you this instead.
water under the bridge and learning to live with it. you dont want to live with it, leave the game quietly.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
If you haven't noticed, Season 10 is more than just a new Rep and PvE queues. We've had two episodes at the beginning of this season. It was stated that we have approximately 4-5 more episodes total coming through season 10. House Pegh was recent and then we have an upcoming episode with Nog. so we have at least 2 more and as many as three more coming. This is probably the most story centric season we've ever had in a long time.
I mean, what did we get in terms of "seasons" - Devidian Arc, Breen Arc, Dominion Arc, Reman Arc. That's all in all 20 episodes over about 2 years.
The current model (at least since DR) seems more like one story mission per month. I think that's overall not too bad, either. And that does not include the missions that came out with the DR expansion itself.
Before that, we had stuff like the LOR expansion, Nimbus, the Dyson Sphere related missions (including a mission that's exploration par excellence, Sphere of Influence).
And if you compare some of the earlier missions with newer missions, you'll notice that some of them got a lot longer and more involved, for example more maps. Think of a mission like Cutting the Cord vs. a mission like Surface Tension. Cutting the Cord contains basically two maps, one you visit twice (the space map), Surface Tension features Dyson Conference Room, Earth Space, destroyed Earth Space Dock Interior, Q'onos Space and Q'Onos ground.
Why are you still here?
oh stop already plasma. thats low even for you, you cherry picked that from what he said just to be a tard. Seriously, I question what goes through your head sometimes when you comment so stupidly.