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azniadeet
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I was just thinking, it would be great if the T6 Veteran Ship had different Lotus consoles that allowed players to synergize their Lotus with their preferred energy type, rather than the one assigned by their faction. That way we could have Polaron, Antiproton and Tetryon lotuses; and also we could have Plasma, Disruptor and Phaser lotuses available cross faction.
These alternate Lotus consoles could then be sold at the Captain's Table, where only Vets would be able to access them. Of course you'd only be able to equip one per ship, and you'd only be able to equip them on the Vet ships, but it would be very cool to be able to syngergize the weapon more than we currently can.
These alternate Lotus consoles could then be sold at the Captain's Table, where only Vets would be able to access them. Of course you'd only be able to equip one per ship, and you'd only be able to equip them on the Vet ships, but it would be very cool to be able to syngergize the weapon more than we currently can.
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KDF Mat'Ha disruptor nose cannons, Fed Phantom phaser lance, etc.
They can go in the normal store since they can only be used on the proper ships.
+1 on that.
why should the 1000 days sub ships be different?
Because veteran loyalty.
Or entitlement, in other words. :P
Sure.
I feel entitled to make a suggestion that would improve one ship that I fly on one of my toons.
Not so much the 1000 subs should be different, more than all the normal and vet ships special weapons should be able to match the ships loadout, not limit it.
Not so much entitlement either, more of a game balance issue too. Same reason as the Ancient Omni-Beam should match the majority of the other weapons instead of being Anti-Proton only (or at least choosable in some way). Currently AP has a big advantage due to having two omni-beams over the other weapon types.
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
while I don't agree that they should make different lances or lotuses or what not, I don't think you need to hijack another thread and turn it into your crusade to call all sto vets entitled..
we get it, you don't believe in vet rewards or whatnot.. move on...
back to topic, the "phaser" lotus is a phaser weapon, there is no need for it to be anything else.. I can see making it a disrupter and plasma available only on a klink or rom version of said ship. but there is no need for any other variant of it.
part of playing an mmo, is creating builds, and like anygame, there are rules one must fallow, which makes building a ship interesting.. so if the phaser lotus is only phaser, than that is what you need to build around..
if you don't like phaser types, than your out of luck, find another special console to build around.
this goes back to faction specific items. back in the day it was awesome that klink vessels had consoles feds couldn't use, and vice versa.. it made for interesting game play, and really made you think about builds... but then everyone whined and cried that they wanted those same consoles on their *opposite faction* and boom, cryptic broke down yet another wall that separated the factions.. /facepalm
Hey I just expressed my disagreement on that idea, the same way I disagreed on changing the energy type of Galaxy's lance or Tempest's nadion bombs, even if I have it.
I'm not making special treatment for the 1000 days ships. I still disagree. The excuse "because vets loyalty" is entitlement, no matter how you want to put it.
+100 on that.
The word you keep using is being used incorrectly.
Want to run Phaser while still having something different? Slap som Phased Biomatter on there. Phaser damage so it still synergizes, but with an AoE chance for added fun.
Same for the Plasmatic Biomatter.
Disruptors... well... there's the Polarized Disruptors and all the other variants like Elachi and Nanite.
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And what's wrong with that?
Cryptic sees the value in expanding Veteran Rewards over time. They've made that clear by continuing to reward loyal players.
Why is it wrong for those players who are entitled to such rewards to suggest direction for the future of their continuing rewards?
Entitlement is not necessarily a bad word.
cool, im not trying to be nasty or anything lol.. ive just seen you dropping the entitlement thing all over the forums.. and I think you are misunderstanding what is going on here..
I also agree that we should keep the consoles with there current synergy as I stated before..
entitlement in my eyes would be if we the player demanded a loyalty program..
don't forget that the loyalty rewards were infact craptics idea. they introduced them, they kept it running for a while.. ive been extrememly happy with what I have gotten for my since the beginning of the games life to now rewards, and I do not ask for anymore..
however, I would say that since craptic created the rewards that it makes it less entitled on the players part.. we got used to a program cryptic gave us. no one likes change, but it happened..
my loyalty to this game ended about 4 years ago, unfortunately after I purchased a 300 doller lifetime sub. lol... its not about loyalty, its more about the game being sub par in view of all the other games out there. I will say that anyone who has stayed with the game and regularly played with out taking a break, and/or has been paying 15 doller a month for more than 4 years is indeed entitled to a little thank you from cryptic, cause man, I couldn't do it lol...
But for the reason that the Gal-X, Vesta, Intel Lances, etc... are all of the Faction's energy type, making one/faction (3) ship that could switch types of a 'built-in' weapon system would represent a further imbalance in STO ship design.
STO doesn't need any more imbalances.
It is an interesting idea, in concept, but unless the idea were expanded to ALL ships with built-in weapon systems (which is most unlikely to happen due to the sheer amount of effort it would take to implement a reletively small QoL improvement) it would be inappropriate to implement such a change to ships only available to 1000 day/lifetime vets.
So I'm going to vote -1.
You can still use the console in Regenerative mode with other energy types, just like ignoring the Tactical mode on the Dyson destroyers, or skip the console all together.
Now how about a that Plasma Point Defense System for Romulans.
You want to run with the phaser lotus or whatever? Then you run with a phaser or mixed energy build. That's the sacrifice you make in order to get access to that weapon system. Same goes for the Vesta, Tempest escort, Phantom etc.
Now another interesting point this debate has thrown up is things like the ancient omni beam do favour AP builds. So to make things more balanced they need to introduce other reward weapons similar to it but in other flavours.
Sure there's various rewards that are different energy types but everyone and his dog knows that the fact you can slot 2 AP omni beams gives that energy type a clear advantage over other types, especially for beam boats.
And while at it, convert all Reputation Beams into Omnis (or add Omni versions) that share their own Reputation Omni Beam category or share the same Omni category as the Obelisk Omni (the KCB will remain in its own niche regardless). That'd be 1 Phaser (CC), 1 Disruptor (CC), 1 Plasma (Rom), 1 Polaron (Delta), 1 Proton (Dyson), and another AP (Iconian).
To further pad it, let the unique Mission Reward weapons also come in Omni forms, which will share a category with the Obelisk Omni Beam, since their mods are usually TRIBBLE anyway, so [Acc][Arc] would be preferable to [Acc]x2 or [Acc][Dmg]. This includes the Retro-Phaser, the Plasma-Disruptor, Piercing Tetryon, Phased Tetryon, Polarized Tetryon, Caustic Plasma, and Dominion Polaron.
That way, you still get 2 or 3 Omni choices (not including KCB), and you can also tailor your ship builds to a preferred weapon type.
They fret over nothing. It'll never happen. It would be great, but I kinda agree with some of the other people that it'll be too un-Fed-like. Now excuse me while I get back into the game in my Galor.
While I take it in jest, since I brought AP up here, I feel the need to respond. My preferred energy type is Disruptors, which I run on my KDF main, different flavors on each ship. While running Plasma on my Rom for his T'Varo.
I did just finish Upgrading crafted Phasers for my Fed to use on her Galaxy-X, Vesta, Nebula, and now Manticore, while she still uses ROM Plasma on her Adapted Destroyer, Ambassador, MVAE, and Pilot Ship.
My Ferasan uses Vaudwaar Polarons.
Now my Gorn Sci captain does use Crtdx2 Snare AP weapons with his Chroniton DBB on his KDF Temporal Destroyer, and on of my KDF Tactical Captains uses Voth AP, the AP Torpedo and the 2 Omni Beams on her Mat'Ha.
In all honesty my barely used Federation Tactical Captain has the old [acc][crth][Borg] AP weapons from way back when but those are just for fun.
Only Energy type I'm not using somewhere these days unless you count ground weapons is Tetryons.
As for any accusations of being OP, I have yet to break 20k dps, so yeah. Well at least not when a logger is running. Getting better at the game or earning a paycheck and feeding my first officer a bottle of milk, not a really contest.
So full disclosure, don't use a Scimitar or Phantom on any toons unless just goofing around.
Phantom, purchased it just to use the nacelles on my much preferred Scryer actually, Scimitars not that bad now that I can get her turn over 30, but I'd rather be in my T'Varo. Especially when my KDF ENG can get my Tor'kaht to a turn rate of over 50.
Tokyo Drift, KDF Battle cruiser style!