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gholendhorgholendhor Member Posts: 447 Arc User
First,the unfairness of having an inferior board.Knowing your going to place last because you see everyone else have the super fast boards.How about having individual placing for each class of board.that way those who don't have the best board can still have a chance to place in the top three.The next thing is finishing,Last time I raced I got to the finish and the prompt to claim the flag never came up,I tried running around the flag but after a minute it just disappeared.I was never able to finish.Can't you guys just make it like check points so when you cross the finish line it completes the event?
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  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    gholendhor wrote: »
    .The next thing is finishing,Last time I raced I got to the finish and the prompt to claim the flag never came up,I tried running around the flag but after a minute it just disappeared.I was never able to finish.Can't you guys just make it like check points so when you cross the finish line it completes the event?

    This means you didn't actually join the race. Sometimes I need to back away from the start area and then back into range and reclick join race. If its too close to the start time, lag can mean I just fail to be included.
  • freakiumfreakium Member Posts: 439 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    That damnable flag system has been in place for years now. I wouldn't put too much hope into having it changed. That and seeing as Risa for me runs at 3 FPS, I'll be glad if I can even see the flag.

    All whining aside, if your game is running smoother than mine, I suggest simply hopping off your board when you're at the finish. If you're trying to get the flag while on your board, you might as well Austin Powers it. :cool:

    Also, if you reached the finish, can see the flag but can't interact with it, it means you didn't join the race at the beginning. Be sure when you're at the start line to actually interact with the "join race" button or whatever the interaction button is for joining said race.

    Oops, gavinruneblade beat me to it. Yeah what he said.
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  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    edited June 2015
    Aye, the 'PvP' races aren't for the newbs, or even for people with less than optimal gear...

    Which begs the question, why have the inferior boards in the game at all? :confused:

    Personally I'd be extremely happy if they implemented a form of 'PvE' powerboard race, like the "Fastest Game on Ice" daily mission during the winter event, then the inferior boards could be of use, and players who are less experienced with powerboards or just don't like competing against other players can still go 'boarding'. :)
  • gholendhorgholendhor Member Posts: 447 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I did join the race because as I ran away I was told I left the course.Also this isn't my first time doing the race.
  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Honestly, I don't think STO can handle standard racing mechanics with multiple players all that well, hence the flag system. It's terrible. After last year and how it's currently set up with power board tiers, I just don't bother.
  • kjwashingtonkjwashington Member Posts: 2,529 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    gholendhor wrote: »
    I did join the race because as I ran away I was told I left the course.Also this isn't my first time doing the race.

    If that's the case, then you needed to rejoin the race. (Join it again.)
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  • yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    That flag system (having to klick the flag after crossing the finish line) is a real fun killer and makes the race pretty pointless.
    I've been doing that race the first time ever, and by luck i was even 2nd. on some races. But thanks for that stupid flag i got only normal prize, just because there was nothing to klick on.

    You got to search for a long time time to find such a stupid game mechanic in a game.
    It's a real game (race) breaker.
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  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    gholendhor wrote: »
    I did join the race because as I ran away I was told I left the course.Also this isn't my first time doing the race.

    Then that's your problem. Once you leave the course you have to rejoin, you're disqualified for that run.
  • capnmanxcapnmanx Member Posts: 1,452 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    yreodred wrote: »
    That flag system (having to klick the flag after crossing the finish line) is a real fun killer and makes the race pretty pointless.
    I've been doing that race the first time ever, and by luck i was even 2nd. on some races. But thanks for that stupid flag i got only normal prize, just because there was nothing to klick on.

    You got to search for a long time time to find such a stupid game mechanic in a game.
    It's a real game (race) breaker.

    Yeah. Only thing to do is either aim directly at the flag and franticly hit 'F' as you get near it, or hop off your board just as you get there so you can interact with it normally (and hope someone else doesn't steal your flag while you are doing this).

    Honestly though, I'd be fine if it weren't for the lag. With decent graphics settings, by the time I've seen a corner, I've already beached myself on it. Tried again with the graphics turned down, my frame rate was OK, but only about half the circuit was actually visible. Didn't have this problem last year. Hoping it's just first day server trauma. :(
  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    yreodred wrote: »
    That flag system (having to klick the flag after crossing the finish line) is a real fun killer and makes the race pretty pointless.
    I've been doing that race the first time ever, and by luck i was even 2nd. on some races. But thanks for that stupid flag i got only normal prize, just because there was nothing to klick on.

    You got to search for a long time time to find such a stupid game mechanic in a game.
    It's a real game (race) breaker.

    It's not ideal but I don't mind it. It adds some tactics to the endline.

    Sometimes its worth pushing for first neck and neck with the other person and spamming the "f" key to hope you get it first. But if you're a bit back and you see three people ahead of you all doing that, aim to the side where the 2nd or third place flags will appear after the first is clicked and snag that one rather than nothing at all for 4th place.

    I would prefer something different, but I can live with what we have.

    Though I also really like the idea from higher up in the thread for different race brackets based on which board.
  • scarlingscarling Member Posts: 708 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I dunno, I was skeptical about joining the race without a fast board. A friend said just do it. So i grabbed one of the lower tier boards. Started the race at the back of the pack. Somehow managed to make it to 3rd place just by being on point. That was enough to make me okay with it. Hopefully I get a pitbull soon tho :D
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,164 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    If you want a chance to win the board race... get the Targ Board. Don't bother with the rest.
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  • tarrynrextarrynrex Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I did wonder how long it would be before someone complained about the race... someone even foretold this last week! lol

    Anyway, I've had variable experience on this one, good and not so good boards, flag grabbing etc... Honestly just play the game, try the race, you'll at least get something. 2 tags for finishing and there's an accolade or something for doing 20 races or coming first once.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Grind out a better board.

    This is an MMO, a game where you progress by playing.

    You are basically right, I just want to point out that you don't progress through playing in STO. You progress through repeatedly grinding the same tasks to earn currency to buy set items in a shop which are then only used to repeat the same things again...

    Progress through playing would mean being able to complete sets and legendary items through drops, unlock the better board by completeing x races or earn new starships by completing missions instead of buying/eschanging/grinding them out.
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  • arrmateysarrmateys Member Posts: 466 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    the only problem i really have with the flags is when people camp on them, then grab them when someone else runs up to it. being in the finish area close to the flag without grabbing it for more than 5 seconds should be auto disqualification.

    other than that the flag mechanics is fine by me, sometimes it lets me get better than 4th place when some of those superior board guys who hop to nearly empty instances to TRIBBLE with people with weak boards forget to grab it or miss it.
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  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I have still never bought the superior board. I will buy the Vulcan one this year but for sentiment.

    If you need the tags just wait until around monday and onwards and find low instance. I run probably the optimal course but have no interest in battling in this event for some reason. I enjoy the comparable race battle in winter. But on Risa I rather not stress.
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  • makocallowaymakocalloway Member Posts: 455 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    I agree with most of what's been said, especially the flag. If it has to be a flag, I propose this. First get rid of the little square area where the flag is now, right after the finish line. Then make the area where you claim the flag the entire length of the finish line.That makes it much easier to grab. Why do I need to get off my board and run to get a flag? It is a board race after all, not a biathlon.
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  • drogyn1701drogyn1701 Member Posts: 3,606 Media Corps
    edited June 2015
    The flag mechanic has been explained many times. It is in place because there is a difference between what you see and what the server sees. Because the vagaries of the internet (connection speeds, bottlenecks, etc.) you might see your character cross a finish line first, but according to the server, someone else did. They wanted to prevent a situation where the winner according to the server didn't match what was on everyone's screens, which as you might imagine, would confuse and anger players who might feel they were "cheated" out of a victory. Thus an interact is the actual finish and there can be no question who got it first.
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  • fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    They also could do with a time trial race. You race against the clock. The fastest time wins. Just as we have that shuttle race.

    An improvement would be as all flags were present, not number one that spawns number two etc, Four flags, first, second, third an the rest. Some will be so stupid to grab the wrong flag. They will learn it the hard way, to do it right.

    I have been disqualified twice for overshooting the flag. Lol, it was the fourth flag, was last and second last, still no reward for that character. I have run the race about seven times and only seen three or four ramps. The map is loading so slowly, I am most of the time surfing in the blind.
  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,576 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    fovrel wrote: »
    I have been disqualified twice for overshooting the flag.

    Yeah, that's the one that annoys me the most. Happened on my first attempt this year.... the click option didn't show up as I flew through the 2nd place flag, and (being on a superior board) before I could turn around I'd apparently gone far enough down to be disqualified......



    Why is there even a DQ check at the finish line in the first place? :confused:




    So nice that they added a new tier of board this year. Have superior boards on two characters - one of whom isn't bothering with the race this year, still has 600 tags from last year - but now there's another level. Whee! :) I likely won't bother with it. Also had a fun run-in with Murphy's Law... switched to one of several low-pop instances to have a better chance at the race today...

    ...and ended up racing against 5 Targ boards in a group of 8 people. :P
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  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    drogyn1701 wrote: »
    The flag mechanic has been explained many times. It is in place because there is a difference between what you see and what the server sees. Because the vagaries of the internet (connection speeds, bottlenecks, etc.) you might see your character cross a finish line first, but according to the server, someone else did. They wanted to prevent a situation where the winner according to the server didn't match what was on everyone's screens, which as you might imagine, would confuse and anger players who might feel they were "cheated" out of a victory. Thus an interact is the actual finish and there can be no question who got it first.

    Always good to mhave this reminder too. Thanks.

    And SheldonCooper's advice about the race is solid also.
  • mmankeimmankei Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    azrael605 wrote: »
    To the OP. Life isn't fair, the game does not need to be either. The race is fine, needs no changes, except for the QQ to stop.

    It isn't fine, but the problem isn't so much the unequal boards as that the course isn't challenging enough to require any skill to use the more difficult boards. It's three-quarters straightaways, and even the river section isn't very windy. The trade-off with the faster boards was supposed to be poor handling, but it just doesn't matter on a course like this.

    The other problem that rarely gets mentioned is the speed boost glitch that causes it not to trigger if you're too close to the racer in front of you. This makes it impossible to pass anyone once everyone knows the fast route, unless a third person glitches the person you're trying to pass but not you.

    As for the flags at the finish, I doubt the devs think this is a great way to do it either. It has to be a workaround for some limitation of the game, as others have suggested.

    My advice to players experiencing their first ever STO Summer Event is to focus on investing in fast floaters for the Hunt first and don't bother with more than the basic hoverboard for the Race unless you've got nothing else to spend your favors on. Get the miniboard if you want to win (the medium boards and now the superior boards are completely pointless except for looks), but speaking as someone who owns the miniboard you're still not going to get much satisfaction out of racing with it. You're going to be racing a bunch of other players all with the same board all following the same route (once the new players figure it out after a week) and winning and losing is going to be determined by speed boost glitches and a lottery roll of who the server wants to give the 1st place button to first. I actually get access to the button faster on my slower computer with the slower connection, probably due to lower graphical settings, but I can't be bothered to switch computers or play with my settings just to win this race. Don't stress over it.
  • rossclansforce1rossclansforce1 Member Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    Power boards.. Good point it is needing some extra love and content. It would also be nice to have diving. You guys liked my idea in your pod cast but the only way to dive currently is to fly towards the ship on a power board.... Then you use a site transport to come back. :p
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  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    gholendhor wrote: »
    First,the unfairness of having an inferior board.Knowing your going to place last because you see everyone else have the super fast boards.How about having individual placing for each class of board.that way those who don't have the best board can still have a chance to place in the top three.The next thing is finishing,Last time I raced I got to the finish and the prompt to claim the flag never came up,I tried running around the flag but after a minute it just disappeared.I was never able to finish.Can't you guys just make it like check points so when you cross the finish line it completes the event?

    Sigh more whining...
    OP Just do the hunt for hogams or whatever the f they are called, build sand castles, do the dance party, run the race you get tokens just for finishing guy, and gee in a very short time you'll have enough for a fast board. Till then suck it up buttercup. We were all there with slow stuff at one time so stop your whining.
  • zenn3kzenn3k Member Posts: 105 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    gholendhor wrote: »
    First,the unfairness of having an inferior board.Knowing your going to place last because you see everyone else have the super fast boards.How about having individual placing for each class of board.that way those who don't have the best board can still have a chance to place in the top three.The next thing is finishing,Last time I raced I got to the finish and the prompt to claim the flag never came up,I tried running around the flag but after a minute it just disappeared.I was never able to finish.Can't you guys just make it like check points so when you cross the finish line it completes the event?

    Yup, I spent Lobi to get enough to buy the 1500 board (the fastest one), there appeared to be zero point to buying anything below the best.
  • willamsheridanwillamsheridan Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    A bit OT but i hope not too much:

    I want to get the Fed, the New Mini th e IDIC and at least one other Powerboard for my collection (can i store them on BOFFS)

    Now i chenced the stats of each to see whci to get first.

    AS i was hovering (with my mouse) over the IDIC Board it showed the same stats as other superior Boards (speed 60/turn 120) but i klciekd on it to see the tooltip and there the stats were different:
    Speed 55, Turn 90

    I play STO in german so it would be nice if someone could tell me if thats just a translation error or how fast that thing really is
  • ea07ea07 Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    capnmanx wrote: »
    Yeah. Only thing to do is either aim directly at the flag and franticly hit 'F' as you get near it, or hop off your board just as you get there so you can interact with it normally (and hope someone else doesn't steal your flag while you are doing this)

    In itself a good idea.
    However... it usually takes anywhere between one and three (!) seconds before a "Grab the Flag" even appears for me. :(
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