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supaj1m
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So here's my idea for a Krenim set if we ever get a Krenim Warship
Krenim Temporal Shields
Krenim Chrono deflector Array? (Inverse variance modifier for shields)?
Krenim Temporal Warp Core
Krenim Chroniton Torpedo launcher (Temporal flux shield peneration modifer)
Combine all that with the temporal warfare set we already have so that we can use both sets on all time ships and krenim ships it would be awesome
Krenim Temporal Shields
Krenim Chrono deflector Array? (Inverse variance modifier for shields)?
Krenim Temporal Warp Core
Krenim Chroniton Torpedo launcher (Temporal flux shield peneration modifer)
Combine all that with the temporal warfare set we already have so that we can use both sets on all time ships and krenim ships it would be awesome
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+1 vote.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Ditto. I do think there should be a whole Temporal arc, but special (and fancier) temporal cores for the temporal ships with bonuses
The torp is kinda out of place..should probably be with your typical weapon set and a eingine should replace it...
What exactly would this shield penetration mod be? Because we already have transphasic chroniton torpedoes in the game...
I would love to see some more Temporal content - so much potential there.
Fingers crossed for a new lobi timeship and the current two console becoming a three.
I suppose what they could do with the Temporal Warefare Set is replace the Tachyokinetic converter with a unique Chroniton torpedo launcher and rename the TC to Chrono Deflector Array since that is what it actually is (Same device from Voyager's Endgame)
So basicly it would go like this...
Temporal Warfare Set
1. Chroniton Dual Beam Array
2. Chroniton Torpedo Launcher
3. Temporal Disruption Device
Krenim Temporal Set
1. Krenim Temporal Shields
2. Krenim Chrono deflector Array/Tachyokinetic converter (renamed)
3. Krenim Hyper Impluse Drive
4. Krenim Temporal Warp Core
What exactly would this shield penetration mod be? I dont know...ideas are welcome
Because we already have transphasic chroniton torpedoes in the game? Where? Anyway i was thinking more of something unique and part of a set...obviously
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Chroniton_Flux_Torpedo_Launcher
Its just an ordinary chroniton torpedo with above average base damage.
Obviously if there ever gonna be a Krenim ordnance set, it needs to become a set piece and get a shield penetration effect. I would even go as far as 100% shield penetration. That's what it was on the show and given the low base damage of chronitons, I think that would not be OP.
"Let them eat static!"
Except it would completely obliterate Transphasics...they do less damage and only have 40% penetration...plus the fact that by now I'd imagine it wouldn't be so hard to adapt shields to them
Just look at transphasics when they originally were used...they had 100% penetration...they just ripped Borg apart :P
Nice thoughts, but that would NEVER happen.
You're talking about replacing a very popular Lobi console... replacing it with a completely different item, no less. Also, the Chrono Deflector *does* exist... I believe that is the special deflector that comes with the Aeon Timeship Shuttle.
Temporal weapons are coming, though... so you aren't far off in thinking about this.
Generally, the temporal equipment we have in various canon sources are:
Temporal Displacement Drive (In place of Impulse)
Chrono Deflector
Temporal Shields
Temporal Core (no "Warp" in the name, as different from a warp core as a singularity core is, at least; sometimes called a "T-Core")
If we're talking timeships in general, there's also a different, "semifluidic" alloy that future ship hulls are made of that might be an interesting alternative to the Engineering Alloy consoles. They also had "organic circuitry".
There's also evidence from Enterprise of a future Vulcan class of timeship with three rings in its configuration. I can see a few ways this could be integrated, possibly as a lockbox "blue box" T5 upgradeable ship that has the special feature that it can use the temporal consoles from other timeships. It could reasonably be build on the basic D'Kyr frame (only the schematic was shown).
There might also be an option have 26th century ships from the Battle of Procyon V. I could see this being a Dauntless (or Nova or Prometheus), a Vor'cha, and a Romulan ship deemed to be a similar reward. These were barely visible. The Dauntless shown seemed to have a teal and navy lighting scheme so I could also see Procyon variants of some existing ships with a new hull pattern and maybe ability to benefit from special timeship consoles, kind of like an update of the old Mirror Universe lockbox ships.
What we can see suggests Fed ships had a mix of navy and teal. Looks like teal deflector, navy nacelle plasma, light orange buzzard collectors. There's no clear glimpse of the Klingon ships but they were Federation members in that timeline so they MIGHT have similar hulls. The allied ships there used Antiproton beams.
the hole in the side is at the event on voyager in the year of hell which never happened, because the timeline was reset. there was never any proof the krenim had time technology. the only bit that explains the krenim is the one frigate at the end who warns voyager off because the area is in dispute.
that means you need to prove the krenim have time technology and until you do the idea is worthless. when you do have something solid then i got nothing to argue against.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
You don't need to prove it. That's RPG thinking, not screenwriting thinking. You just need a story that shows them having it through some other means, any other means.
There's no PROOF needed. They just need to show up with it and if anyone asks, it was based on the original scientist's unfinished work which was recently discovered. Or someone totally different invented it.
In general, one thing about Trek time travel is that there is only very rarely a butterfly effect. Erase a timeline, people still end up in the same ships and the same uniforms. You have to assume there is some kind of force like destiny guiding events.
Otherwise, why would all the different Enterprises in Parallels have roughly the same crews and be investigating the same satellite? Why would the same people more or less serve on the Yesterday's Enterprise Warship Enterprise which, again, was in the same region of space? Or the same for the Mirror Enterprise, with the same crew still having been born despite hundreds of years of divergence? Or many elements of AGT, The Visitor, and Endgame still playing out? The final shot of DS9 was a remake of a scene from The Visitor.
History in Trek has inertia. Destiny is a powerful, scientifically observable force in the fictional world of Star Trek. As Spock said in "City on the Edge of Forever", time is "like a river" and it "has currents".
If I don't invent a thing, there remains a chance that somebody else will. No individual is THAT unique. TAS even shows us in its one semi-canonical episode that had Spock died as a child, an Andorian would have taken his place almost seamlessly.
The last time I looked, it wasn't still available. Oh and it wasn't upgradable.
The Temporal Science Vessel and Destroyer would come with a unique and improved Temporal Core, but every vessel would get a basic free one, like when the Warp Cores came out.
The red alerts, episodes and space battlezone would have the Weapon Ship, with its weapon like the Undine.
And you COULD have the new Kremin Lock Box ship be a Temporal Carrier...it would release Timeship pets (NOT with Tipler Cylinder, Temporal Backstep consoles and deflector) just Chroniton beams and torpedoes.
The Carrier would be T6 and I don't know about the Lobi option...we've already got the Temporal Warfare set in the Lobi Store, but the ship could be, maybe a Universal Console for any ship, not just the Temporal ones, but with bonuses if they are included with the TC and TB.
Future ships on Enterprise were said to "have no visible means of propulsion".
What if TDD Engines had a "no engine trail" visual?
People who need a trail for navigation could always disable the engine trail visual. Meanwhile, I know some people who do machinima would seek out the engine specifically because of a "no engine trail" option.
Maybe the engine trail could have a very slight version of the Tipler effect or a faint version of the Chroniton beams as an engine trail but even a less visible engine trail would give it a distinctive look.
We never really see any future ships in motion aside from the shuttle and the pods, which don't have engine trails.
so you got no proof. still waiting...
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Proof shouldn't be necessary. All it should take is a writer nwilling it to happen because it would be cool/marketable.
There's not really a lot to the Krenim without temporal tech, even if it's not exactly the same temporal tech.
There are hints that Voyager is off on a secret mission dealing with the Krenim right now and there are Krenim ground costumes in The Foundry. They also keep pointing out that the Iconians' weakness is their inadaptibility to temporal warfare.
My proof is marketing sense, I guess. Temporal Krenim tech is marketable. If you're going to bother with the Krenim, either you'll have them develop temporal tech anyway or you'll have us somehow access the deleted Year of Hell timeline. There's no point otherwise. Since Cryptic is spending money on Krenim assets and laying out a story rationale even if the logic isn't complete yet, all that's needed is to say that Krenim have temporal technology through other means. And it would be silly NOT to say that they do.
They had one temporal ship 200 years ago in a timeline that never happened and in the present timeline, that research was left unfinished.
Maybe somebody else finished it in the intervening 200 years. Maybe we'll be accessing deleted timelines that never happened or alternate universes that approximate those deleted timelines. The logic of it doesn't really matter to this discussion because the logic can easily be fabricated JUST BY TELLING A NEW STORY where the research is completed or where we access an alternate timeline and it would be cool if Cryptic did fabricate that logic.
Only that completed execution of it was deleted. If somebody finds the design notes and completes something similar, nothing is violated.
Nor is anything violated if we just go to another universe where it wasn't deleted.
The Krenim are being added to the game and through some means that some writer makes up will have a variation of the weapon ship, although possibly not an exact one for game balance reasons.
Thinking about it...they got one more episode than the Kobali and the Vaadwaur did. They were all on-par.
In general with Voyager, the credibility of a threat is inversely proportional to how many episodes they appear in.
Which makes sense, really. If we're to believe Voyager makes it home intact, they can't exactly run up against premiere threats very often.
Ron Moore worked on Voyager after DS9 wrapped and kept pitching things like resource shortages and the ship sustaining permanent damage but was shot down by the Voyager showrunners who felt it'd be too depressing. This, naturally, led Moore to create the Battlestar Galactica reboot where he could use some of his Voyager ideas.
For the record, I think a balance was always best. Battlestar IS too depressing. Voyager was too light and the threats lacked menace except in some great standalones. The best Trek is somewhere in the middle for my money.
A lot of Trek (aside from some of the new age synthesizer music choices) has aged FAIRLY well but it really needs not only more serial arcs like DS9 had but maybe a bit more kill happy with main characters.
TNG actually considered some big changes beyond Tasha. My understanding was that they briefly considered killing Picard a time or two but the big one I know the writers kept pitching in later years was to kill off Will Riker, promote Data, and bring Thomas Riker onto the show as a wildcard who doesn't play by Will Riker's rules and starts seriously going after Troi romantically. I think that actually would have been seriously made fun of but was really ahead of its time as an idea and would be really appreciated by modern TV audiences who are used to actors juggling characters and playing doppelgangers and big cast power shakeups.
In the episode (3x21 Before and After) kes download data in Voyager for the time period that she scan a chroniton torpedo from Krenim ship so......
The ship need to have some data on them regardless.
In the lore star trek online says that the Kremin have been defeated bye the vaadwaur.