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Beating Advanced STFs

qqafgqegqe4agqqafgqegqe4ag Member Posts: 153 Arc User
edited May 2015 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
There used to be a channel to get teams for STFs, which seems to be dead now. Is there a viable alternative today?

Since I returned to the game, I've failed every single Advanced STF I've tried- not just failed, but almost instantly failed as soon as the objectives list came up.

They don't even try to stop borg probes in Khitomer, for example. The probes fly unimpeded and it's an instant fail, almost before we've started.

It seems like everyone's completely forgotten how to do these STFs, despite them being a cakewalk when I last played.
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  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    If anything, Star Trek Battles are the ones who take themselves TOO seriously. They think I can't have anything but phasers and photo torpedoes, because that is all Starfleet had in the shows. And I can't use my Jem'Hadar Dreadnought because Starfleet only uses flying spoons.
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  • phalanx01phalanx01 Member Posts: 360 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    lindaleff wrote: »
    If anything, Star Trek Battles are the ones who take themselves TOO seriously. They think I can't have anything but phasers and photo torpedoes, because that is all Starfleet had in the shows. And I can't use my Jem'Hadar Dreadnought because Starfleet only uses flying spoons.

    Wait, they actually dictate what you can and can't fly or use? Yeah... might want to avoid that channel then.

    As for OPs question, there are some old channels still somewhat active but you might want to get into the DPS channels for good runs (although some do fail fairly miserably from time to time as well). As for the true public channels for STF? Honestly said can't recall one of the top of my head but I'll drop a line if I find one for you.
  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    publicelitestf channel is one.


    The other way is to get a parser, CLR and upload your records to the league. If you break 10k on ISA, which is very easy now... you get invited to the 10k channel where you can find decent teams and they can help you achieve 30k dps which gets you to the matches that ALMOST never fails
  • nandospcnandospc Member Posts: 1,260 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    First steps: join PublicEliteSTF and DPS-Public channels; they are good enough to do every advanced STFs with decent teams
    Second step: upload a 10k dps ISA run (infected space advanced) on the dps league table through CLR parser so you can join DPS-10000 channel; this is the base channel to make everything you want stfs-wide
    DPS-G200: this is the base channel to make ground pves, stfs and more; just upload via CLR a 200 dps run on NTTE (nukara transdimensional tactics elite)
    Why i suggest dps channels? Because they are WAY more active than PESTF, and they include a lot of good guys to play with ;) Definitely the best way to do stf without problems
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  • darkknightucfdarkknightucf Member Posts: 1,546 Media Corps
    edited May 2015
    If you don't mind running around w/ a few odd-balls (a tank, a torpedo DPS, and a Sci-only pilots), we'll get you on a few runs and see where you're at DPS-wise, get you in the appropriate channels, and just do runs, chill out, have fun, and listen to the QQ as PvP went to cheddarville in hell's handbasket.
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  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Join the DPS-Channels, where the future of sto lies.
  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Too many competent people have abandoned the PUG queues for many reasons. This causes a circular problem that just makes it worse and worse to PUG them. It needs to be remedied but Cryptic doesn't seem to care.
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited May 2015
    foxrockssocks wrote: »
    Too many competent people have abandoned the PUG queues for many reasons. This causes a circular problem that just makes it worse and worse to PUG them. It needs to be remedied but Cryptic doesn't seem to care.

    Quoted for truth
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  • trizeo1trizeo1 Member Posts: 472 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Greetings Captains 07
    reyan01 wrote: »
    My first recommendation would be the Star Trek Battles Channel; it's a fantastic channel that doesn't take itself too seriously; It was originally set up as a 'play for the fun of playing' channel, for players who preferred a little bit of a challenge over the predominant (at the time) Scimitard vape builds which were clearing the likes of ISE in 1.5 minutes.
    You'll find some great teams of friendly, experienced, players there - and we still use the old 10% rule occasionally, just for the heck of it!
    And it' is, more often than not, still quite busy.

    The DPS channels are another option - they have a 'introduction' channel, as well as channels that are set based on DPS criteria. I, obviously, don't know what DPS you do - nor whether you are interested in such things. Nonetheless, another great group of channels, which offer progression based upon a player's DPS capability.

    There is, of course, no reason whatsoever that you couldn't join both.

    Reyan!

    Thanks for recommending STB.... We try just to have fun with trying to keep it Star Treky like...

    If anything we do communicate prior to doing missions as it's also about working as a team to finish the mission but we do occasionally fail a mission and when we do... well do and we carry on.
    lindaleff wrote: »
    If anything, Star Trek Battles are the ones who take themselves TOO seriously. They think I can't have anything but phasers and photo torpedoes, because that is all Starfleet had in the shows. And I can't use my Jem'Hadar Dreadnought because Starfleet only uses flying spoons.
    phalanx01 wrote: »
    Wait, they actually dictate what you can and can't fly or use? Yeah... might want to avoid that channel then.

    As for OPs question, there are some old channels still somewhat active but you might want to get into the DPS channels for good runs (although some do fail fairly miserably from time to time as well). As for the true public channels for STF? Honestly said can't recall one of the top of my head but I'll drop a line if I find one for you.

    Greetings... anyone is welcomed to try STB and ANY ship is welcomed. All we try to do is emmulate (that how you spell it? haha!) what was on the shows and keep it "canon" for the sake of looks :D

    It is no different though from the DPS channels where if you don't do a certain amount of DPS you won't be able to be in them.

    My advice though is to try to find a group of people who are like minded and really in the end.... HAVE FUN playing STO the way YOU want to. NOTHING wrong with being more DPS orientated and there is NOTHING wrong with people trying to keep true to the shows... Try out STB... try out the DPS channels and or active fleets but HAVE FUN is my advice.

    Hope you find what you're looking for Captain 07
  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I pug the elite ground runs for all but Borg.

    Win about 90 percent of them, but yeah... when it fails it's just... wtf? *facepalms*
  • qqafgqegqe4agqqafgqegqe4ag Member Posts: 153 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I'll try some of the aforementioned channels. Hopefully I can get my DPS at a respectable number and parse it.

    For the other stuff, I can be contacted in game at @warlocc
  • chilleechillee Member Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    While I am in the DPS League (currently at 30K with a Galaxy-X, really, I break into low 40K), I PUG a majority of time to help noobies out. After all, the new players are the future of the game... we should always encourage more peeps.

    But I do love the boys in the DPS channel.
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    foxrockssocks wrote: »
    Too many competent people have abandoned the PUG queues for many reasons. This causes a circular problem that just makes it worse and worse to PUG them. It needs to be remedied but Cryptic doesn't seem to care.
    jellico1 wrote: »

    Quoted for truth

    They shouldn't have to care, if the worst of the worst never want to become, anything but!!!

    Let the pug queues rot, if only the worst continue to stay that way I say.
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  • millimidgetmillimidget Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    phalanx01 wrote: »
    Wait, they actually dictate what you can and can't fly or use? Yeah... might want to avoid that channel then.
    The thread for the channel plainly states that they want to promote canonical builds.
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  • hartzillahartzilla Member Posts: 1,177 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    shadowwraith77 wrote: »
    They shouldn't have to care, if the worst of the worst never want to become, anything but!!!

    Let the pug queues rot, if only the worst continue to stay that way I say.

    Then start kissing stfs and other que content goodbye goodbye, becuase if they aren't getting used Cryptic is more likely to get rid of them to save data space for stuff people will do.
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    hartzilla wrote: »
    Then start kissing stfs and other que content goodbye goodbye, becuase if they aren't getting used Cryptic is more likely to get rid of them to save data space for stuff people will do.

    They won't get completely rid of them, at best it would become a private queued mission, which won't break my heart by any means if it does.
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  • hartzillahartzilla Member Posts: 1,177 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    shadowwraith77 wrote: »
    They won't get completely rid of them, at best it would become a private queued mission,

    Except thats the complete opposite of how Cryptic has been doing these things for the past 4 years ever since STFs were revamped and along with fleet actions put into ques.

    Honestly what I got from that was that pre-made teams are the minority of the playerbase and Cryptic would rather make stuff for the majority.
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    hartzilla wrote: »
    Except thats the complete opposite of how Cryptic has been doing these things for the past 4 years ever since STFs were revamped and along with fleet actions put into ques.

    Honestly what I got from that was that pre-made teams are the minority of the playerbase and Cryptic would rather make stuff for the majority.

    If the majority is the majority, than what MMO wouldn't make stuff for them?

    Especially, if the majority is the majority playing and/or, paying!!!
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  • hartzillahartzilla Member Posts: 1,177 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    shadowwraith77 wrote: »
    If the majority is the majority, than what MMO wouldn't make stuff for them?

    Especially, if the majority is the majority playing and/or, paying!!!

    So please tell me why they would suddenly start making content that would probably only be accessible by a minority of the playerbase?
  • paxdawnpaxdawn Member Posts: 767 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    hartzilla wrote: »
    So please tell me why they would suddenly start making content that would probably only be accessible by a minority of the playerbase?

    Which content?

    There is normal, advance and elite. Since this thread is about advance:

    What advance content is only accessible to minority of the playerbase?

    Do you have the actual stat of which is the minority and the majority and their wants to backup your claims that you represent whatever majority says so?
  • gerwalk0769gerwalk0769 Member Posts: 1,095 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    lindaleff wrote: »
    If anything, Star Trek Battles are the ones who take themselves TOO seriously. They think I can't have anything but phasers and photo torpedoes, because that is all Starfleet had in the shows. And I can't use my Jem'Hadar Dreadnought because Starfleet only uses flying spoons.

    I've always flown my torpedo boat, no energy weapons, in STB matches I ran, organized or participated in.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    hartzilla wrote: »
    Honestly what I got from that was that pre-made teams are the minority of the playerbase and Cryptic would rather make stuff for the majority.

    Hrmmm....well, there's what Geko said...

    Oct 15th...
    crypticgeko wrote: »
    Welcome to Delta Rising. A lot has changed in the game difficulty, and we are looking for your feedback.

    Delta Rising was a massive addition, and we anticipate that we will need to make adjustments. So over the next few weeks expect changes in the baseline difficulty, advanced difficulty, and elite difficulty - and also expect rewards to change as we gather more metrics on play-times and success rates.

    Our goal was to make basic difficulty and the story content something everyone can play - even with a standard T5 ship. Levels 1-50 are generally pretty easy at basic difficulty, so we felt 51-60 should step things up a bit. Although we expect 51-60 accessible everyone, those in T5 ships and non-upgraded gear should to start to feel a definite challenge as they approach level 60. We expect Advanced to be for more skilled players and those who have invested in the game (ships and gear). And we expect Elite to be for the best of the best. We don't expect most players to succeed on elite difficulty.

    If I were to guess, I would expect basic to get some minor tuning, Advanced to get a little easier and Elite to get a lot harder - and rewards, like dilithium rewards, could potentially go up across queues once we are sure we are hitting the right mark. But this is just my guess at this time.

    Until then, let us know your thoughts here, and we will take your feedback into consideration.


    Thanks, and we hope you enjoy Delta Rising.

    LLAP

    Oct 15th...
    crypticgeko wrote: »
    We did warn you that Elite is not for everyone. Its pretty extreme. Seriously, most players should not be able to do it.

    But please note, that have already had some pretty well organized fleets blazing through Elite with apparent ease. It kinda blows me away honestly. We have a lot of diversity on skill in STO, so finding the right balance point may take time. We want to make a real challenge for our top players, so if players are succeeding easily (and they are), expect it to probably get harder.

    Nov 4th...
    crypticgeko wrote: »
    Shortly after launch of Delta Rising, I made a post asking for your input on balance for levels 51-60 balance. I wanted to take a moment and thank everyone for their input. Raising the level cap with 3 difficulty settings is a big task. The difference in skill and gear from one player to another can be very large, so getting the balance right can be a challenge.

    A little over a week or so ago, we made some changes to difficulty. Based on additional feedback, as well as continuing data mining, we are in the process of making another pass. We will be noticeably reducing the HP and shields of all space critters from levels 51-60. This change will have more of an effect at level 60 than 51. This change will affect Basic and Advanced difficulty, but not affect Elite Difficulty.

    Be sure to watch for additional posts from the devs on related changes. In relation to game difficulty, keep an eye out for posts on PvE queue difficulty as well as a post on changes to changes to rewards. Please focus your responses on the appropriate thread.



    LLAP

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    Cryptic's acknowledged...
    crypticgeko wrote: »
    Raising the level cap with 3 difficulty settings is a big task. The difference in skill and gear from one player to another can be very large, so getting the balance right can be a challenge.

    ...not everything is for everybody.

    Three tiers of difficulty...for three tiers of players.

    The only folks expecting that they should be able to do everything...are certain players.
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    hartzilla wrote: »
    So please tell me why they would suddenly start making content that would probably only be accessible by a minority of the playerbase?

    Oooooooh I don't know, maybe because they are the majority and, the majority can easily handle it, unlike the few who cannot and, probably will not.
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  • hartzillahartzilla Member Posts: 1,177 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    shadowwraith77 wrote: »
    Oooooooh I don't know, maybe because they are the majority and, the majority can easily handle it, unlike the few who cannot and, probably will not.

    The why are a decent chunk of the team DPS posts usually complaints about how most of the playerbase can't handle this stuff?

    Why are the pugs mostly dead?

    Why does the list of ongoing matches listing both private and public ones only have a fraction of the qued content being run?

    Why do the forums and reddit seem to have considerable more people complaining about the que changes than are happy with them when ever the subject comes up?
  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    While I'm only on in the morning I seldom see anymore chat from publicelite channel. Maybe at nighttime? I would not associate myself with dps channels.

    Around December I got plenty frustrated with pugs until I realized it was all because of Azure and Borg Disconnected. By removing those 2 missions from my list, my success rate and game satisfaction has grown to 99%. I now add ISA to the ignore list.

    I find it hard to see anyone having trouble with any of the new Iconian missions. There are a good 15 advanced missions which run very smoothly for the great pug. Long live PUG!
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    sheldonlcooper wrote: »
    While I'm only on in the morning I seldom see anymore chat from publicelite channel. Maybe at nighttime? I would not associate myself with dps channels.

    Around December I got plenty frustrated with pugs until I realized it was all because of Azure and Borg Disconnected. By removing those 2 missions from my list, my success rate and game satisfaction has grown to 99%. I now add ISA to the ignore list.

    I find it hard to see anyone having trouble with any of the new Iconian missions. There are a good 15 advanced missions which run very smoothly for the great pug. Long live PUG!

    Gates of Gre'thor is pug friendly if they';re smart enough to shut down the radioactive gateways
  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    deaftravis05 wrote: »
    Gates of Gre'thor is pug friendly if they';re smart enough to shut down the radioactive gateways

    Yeah, I'm having remarkable success with it - always 120+ marks. Freeing so many transport. It's one mission that for whatever reason people "get." It took over 2 years for them to get the concept of ISE but only 2 weeks for this one - a blessing!
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    hartzilla wrote: »
    The why are a decent chunk of the team DPS posts usually complaints about how most of the playerbase can't handle this stuff?

    Why are the pugs mostly dead?

    Why does the list of ongoing matches listing both private and public ones only have a fraction of the qued content being run?

    Why do the forums and reddit seem to have considerable more people complaining about the que changes than are happy with them when ever the subject comes up?

    So, what, you base the majority off of a forum(s)?

    What is that, like maybe 1-2% of the game population if even?

    Nice try, get back to me when you have real #'s!

    The complainers, are always the same people and, do not represent the majority in any way.

    The majority is getting by perfectly fine and, may not even be interested in doing queues atm, while there is grinding to be done, more content to be done, taking time off to play another game, etc.
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  • jarvisandalfredjarvisandalfred Member Posts: 1,549 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    sheldonlcooper wrote: »
    It's one mission that for whatever reason people "get."

    It's because they can fly basically anywhere, shoot basically anything, and be actually helpful.
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    sheldonlcooper wrote: »
    Yeah, I'm having remarkable success with it - always 120+ marks. Freeing so many transport. It's one mission that for whatever reason people "get." It took over 2 years for them to get the concept of ISE but only 2 weeks for this one - a blessing!

    2 yrs. for ISE and, many still haven't got it!

    The reason many have got it in GTG, because people who can get it in any mission, carry those who cannot get it at all.

    1 major objective dumbed down enough for all to understand, yet I see time after time, many who cannot even understand that 1 simple task so, they are carried on by those who do understand.

    When the majority of those who do understand, have finished what they need from this reputation, odds are it will be full of the same lame brains who plague every other queue, still wandering aimlessly to progress.
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