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questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,505 Arc User
As i am working my character through the iconian reputation i find myself wondering why.

The space set adds little IMO other than some extra tanking, radiant weapons are (again IMO) as worthless as voth AP, powers earned through the rep are healing based and frankly if you need those to stay alive you have bigger problems on your hands.

I play the new stf since they're new and relatively fast (not to mention that i have 10+ K marks for all other reps already) but other than whatever reward will come at T5 the Iconian rep and war seem lacking.

The FE up until now are fun, but otherwise its meh.

What are your opinions on the Iconian reputation, gear etc?
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    A lot of people don't like me, and I give them plenty of reason not to.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,505 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    iconians wrote: »
    A lot of people don't like me, and I give them plenty of reason not to.

    That's a given, but we both know i was referring to ingame and not your person.
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  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    The core looks real good at epic with [Amp] mod.

    Tbh though, I'm getting a little overwhelmed with all the new gear.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    questerius wrote: »
    That's a given, but we both know i was referring to ingame and not your person.

    The radiant console isn't as radiant as I was expecting. Still, I enjoy it. Mixed feelings on the temporary HP photonic barrier generator.
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  • latiasracerlatiasracer Member Posts: 680 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    The console is alright, 22% to hull and shield heals, and 11% to all energy damage.


    Useful if you are not running many healing abilities, but it'll probably be the first thing I'll replace as it offers no critical related buffs (and that's what im all about)
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,505 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    The console is alright, 22% to hull and shield heals, and 11% to all energy damage.

    So the entire rep boils down one single useful console? On my engineer the last thing i need is more healing...
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  • jackal1701apwjackal1701apw Member Posts: 669 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    The console is alright, 22% to hull and shield heals, and 11% to all energy damage.


    Don't believe all the numbers you see... I hear that the +Energy Damage is a base bonus (the worst kind) and therefore does not help much.
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  • aesicaaesica Member Posts: 736 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Don't believe all the numbers you see... I hear that the +Energy Damage is a base bonus (the worst kind) and therefore does not help much.
    Needs mathematical confirmation. I'm not one to put a lot of stock in "I heard that..." although it'd certainly be a shame if that were the case.
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  • m1957flaxm1957flax Member Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    questerius wrote: »
    What are your opinions on the Iconian reputation...?
    Forget it.
    I won't do STFs and thus I will not do this rep.
  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited May 2015
    Huh.

    After SarcasmDetector's cautiously optimistic overview of the space set on P1 (3-piece set bonus, especially)... I'm a little surprised by some of the reactions in here. I'm still interested in the space set, at least.

    Guess we'll wait until people start getting the shield... that's the biggie, IMO.
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  • sovereign010sovereign010 Member Posts: 641 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    In case it hasn't been pointed out, the addition of the iconian rep and its corresponding store finally fills the gap in the one energy type not provided by rep space weapons: antiproton. Yet one more reason to equip AP guns!
  • cidjackcidjack Member Posts: 2,017 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    When this rep came out I had just finished the last rep on all my toons. Having another one placed on top of the ones I just completed, for me, was enough to stop messing with reps. I do have to also agree, with the Iconian rep marks only available through STFs, gave me another reason to skip it.

    The final nail was I have yet to get a full rep set of gear on all of my toons, and I personally was not impressed with the Iconian rep items.
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  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    questerius wrote: »
    As i am working my character through the iconian reputation i find myself wondering why.

    The space set adds little IMO other than some extra tanking, radiant weapons are (again IMO) as worthless as voth AP, powers earned through the rep are healing based and frankly if you need those to stay alive you have bigger problems on your hands.

    I play the new stf since they're new and relatively fast (not to mention that i have 10+ K marks for all other reps already) but other than whatever reward will come at T5 the Iconian rep and war seem lacking.

    The FE up until now are fun, but otherwise its meh.

    What are your opinions on the Iconian reputation, gear etc?

    The torpedo is not good. I will stick with neutronic. My AP character has plenty of temporary hp already (pretty much constant). If the console was a real 11% antiproton boost I would use it along with a beam. I will get just those 2 items anyway and try them out but doubt they will stay for long.

    I still use the protonic polaron btw on my first character with no complaints.
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  • fatman592fatman592 Member Posts: 1,207 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    It's a worthless rep. For anything you can get there are better options in other reps or even mission replays. Omega, Nukara, Romulan, Dyson and Delta reps are pretty much the only ones worth doing.
  • praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    aesica wrote: »
    Needs mathematical confirmation. I'm not one to put a lot of stock in "I heard that..." although it'd certainly be a shame if that were the case.

    I'll confirm that.

    It's a Cat 1 (base damage) buff.

    The T4 Rep is one of those "You have GOT to be kidding me, WTF were they even thinking?" OP things for PvP, but almost entirely useless in PvE.
  • rcuxrcux Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Most of the Rep gear I avoid and just get my toons to Tier 5 for the bonus Dil reward for my 10 seconds wasted everyday starting the project.
  • bunansabunansa Member Posts: 928 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    As far as that console base damage goes, just get young mr Eli Wallace to do the number crunching on that, in the meantime, Destiny is about to drop out of ftl, suggest getting a team ready for whatever gates might be in range.....


    I meant iconian gates...



    As far as the rest of the Iconian gear is concerned, it seems a bit beefier in numbers then the last set of gear, and the gear set before that, but there is absolutely no proof that there is any power creep going on.
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  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    rcux wrote: »
    Most of the Rep gear I avoid and just get my toons to Tier 5 for the bonus Dil reward for my 10 seconds wasted everyday starting the project.

    i do the same thing now; after having wasted tons of dil on gears, than finally i don't use.

    the +5 to particle generator is ridiculous, i tried it; the bonus given is so small; that i use something else.
  • wen1503wen1503 Member Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    For a ship with 4 tac consoles, the 11 percent tested out to 1.6 percent damage increase. The hull and shield heals were a direct boost as advertised.
  • fatman592fatman592 Member Posts: 1,207 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    the +5 to particle generator is ridiculous, i tried it; the bonus given is so small; that i use something else.

    Yep, I was really excited to see a science boosting effect as a reputation passive. But the T2 exotic particle passive has no appreciable value.

    Though for the record, it's 5% exotic damage.
  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Though for the record, it's 5% exotic damage.

    yes, you are right.

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  • stuart1965stuart1965 Member Posts: 691 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    To me Most of the iconian rep gear seems a waste, and I won't be buying any of it. Its worthless.
    Yes I am halfway through iconian tier 5, but that is just for something to do, and eventually say i've finished it.

    It would be good one day if the devs added Mk 13 and 14 gear, so just for once we won't have to upgrade it.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Some of the traits from Iconian Rep I like. The Shields look interesting. Not sold on the rest of the Space Set and definitely not sold on the Weapon Set.

    I want to gather more info on the Set Bonus but as is typical for any set, very rare is it ideal to go 100% of a set.

    Radiant AP sucks but it's not "Voth AP Level of Suck." The Temporary HP mechanic is TRIBBLE and pointless. If you need a few thousand temporary HP to save you, you're doing it wrong. The only saving grace of Radiant AP is that they have some inherent Crit Severity built in, unlike Voth and 8472 AP. But the Temp HP, again, is a failure in my eyes.

    But IMO the biggest laugh of the entire Rep that I see so far (other than how the Ground Set Costume looks) is the Advanced Radiant Quantum. I actually felt insulted when I saw the stats of that joke of a weapon :D
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    People are keeping in mind that Reputations are horizontal and not vertical progression, right? That it's not about each one offering something better, but rather it being a case of each one offering something different. Cause it's horizontal...not vertical.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    People are keeping in mind that Reputations are horizontal and not vertical progression, right? That it's not about each one offering something better, but rather it being a case of each one offering something different. Cause it's horizontal...not vertical.

    By that frame of thought, it definitely offers nothing different for existing players if they have gear from previous reps already. Maybe if you're new there'd be more to offer for you. But when a new piece of gear comes out, a new Rep, I look to see if it indeed is a viable alternative, or better yet, outclasses stuff I already have.

    The game is awash in robust, defensive style of Space Sets. That's what the Iconian Space Set clearly is meant for. Is it good enough for me to spend the marks and Dil to buy a similar space set that I already had before that still performs solidly?

    Radiant AP Weapon Set?... I dunno about that. But the Advanced Radiant Quantum Torpedo clearly sucks in every meaningful way compared to some popular Rep Torpedoes out there that came out before. If I want raw damage, previous ones are just as good or completely outclass it. Radiation Damage? On paper it does more than Neutronic but it is heavily set back in that it only affects very few possible targets. But Neutronic's Radiation Damage affects however many are in its radius. It's not capped like Adv Radiant. It's not a good alternative when it's inferior to previous Rep Torpedoes.

    And Temp HP still sucks any way you try to cut it. If I were on an Antiproton build, I'd be damned if I replace any of my more valuable Standard AP with Radiant AP.

    I have tons of previous Rep Gear laying around and am no longer buying stuff for the sake of buying it because it's new. I'll grab the Rep's traits. I'll get to T5 Mastery to get the full picture of the storyline. But so far, I see nothing great about Iconian Rep equipment.

    Except for the Shields. I'm quite curious about the Space Shields.
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  • gerwalk0769gerwalk0769 Member Posts: 1,095 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    questerius wrote: »
    As i am working my character through the iconian reputation i find myself wondering why.

    The space set adds little IMO other than some extra tanking, radiant weapons are (again IMO) as worthless as voth AP, powers earned through the rep are healing based and frankly if you need those to stay alive you have bigger problems on your hands.

    I play the new stf since they're new and relatively fast (not to mention that i have 10+ K marks for all other reps already) but other than whatever reward will come at T5 the Iconian rep and war seem lacking.

    The FE up until now are fun, but otherwise its meh.

    What are your opinions on the Iconian reputation, gear etc?

    In two days I should hit T5.

    I think they did a much better job of allocating the Reputation points and special reputation items (Datacore) for the players, thank you Cryptic. It could be better but it is much better than the Delta Reputation special reputation item allotment, which was horrible. Earning Delta Marks was horrid, and only partially redeemed by the CE event.

    I do appreciate the new class powers given to us (more please) in the FE, and the Iconian ship explosions (sound and fury) are great, they are just cool-Thanks Cryptic, jobs well done.

    The reputation items have been meh for this torpedo boat captain. But I read the three piece, Energy Augmentation Actuator passive is very good for those who use energy weapons. I did not craft/build the T4 energy weapon (a rare event that I do not craft/build the complete weapon set) as the set only benefits energy weapons. The radiant console could make for a tankier sci vessel and can help in Iconian space missions.

    Photonic Overload Mk XII is good against Iconians and small to medium targets. Against bosses and in Borg STF's vs bosses it can be hit and, more often, miss, as in underpowered. It literally seems to do very little damage to them and damage they take from the -DR hit seems small. I'd like to try to slot it with Tachyon Harmonic, although I do not think I can. I'm inclined to re-slot and replace it with Tachyon Harmonic to just drop the shields.

    I think one of the best uses for the Rep. radiant pulsewave is in Bug Hunt as the temporary healing can hold you between heals if you run three or so.

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  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I have not even touched the Iconian reputation, and I don't plan to. Maybe when I can let Risa's parrots do all the work for me, I might (MIGHT) be bothered to touch the Reputation system.
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  • bunansabunansa Member Posts: 928 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    lindaleff wrote: »
    I have not even touched the Iconian reputation, and I don't plan to. Maybe when I can let Risa's parrots do all the work for me, I might (MIGHT) be bothered to touch the Reputation system.

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  • jarvisandalfredjarvisandalfred Member Posts: 1,549 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    aesica wrote: »
    Needs mathematical confirmation. I'm not one to put a lot of stock in "I heard that..." although it'd certainly be a shame if that were the case.

    I'll confirm this as well. Still, the console is (outside of the T4 trait in PvP) one of the best things in the rep - unless you want AP without the red color. I hear the 3-set's good as well (deflector/core/shield), so I'll give that a look...
    People are keeping in mind that Reputations are horizontal and not vertical progression, right? That it's not about each one offering something better, but rather it being a case of each one offering something different. Cause it's horizontal...not vertical.

    Sure thing. I didn't want something broken out of this rep, I've seen enough broken stuff released lately. I'm glad they nerfed that console to hell and back.
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