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So,as the title says,when are we getting a t6 federation dreadnought? The Andromeda was nice and all but the only reason I bought it was because of the console that I hoped I'd be able to fit on the gal-x.Since this doesn't seem to be the case...Cryptic,my wallet could use a little weight loss,any help? :cool: 
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Maybe...this fall (assuming sovy releases in the near future)?
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No good Sci options for KDF or RR unless you take from a lock box (Which there hasn't been a lock box or event T6 Sci ship)
Besides the Scyer (Post buff) the T6 Sci ships just aren't to great or flat out suck...the Pathfinder isn't horrible but it isn't revolutionary either and the Dauntless is just wrong.
When they make such lousy lack luster Sci ships it's no wonder no one wants them...
I'm pretty sure that people have argued this before but I don't think that Klingon Science ships fit very well,
Klingons aren't really about research vessels more about warships, yes there are Klingon scientists, we saw one in TNG but, if you remember Doctor Crusher also said that Klingon Scientists aren't regarded very highly so it's very doubtful that the Empire would put resources to create vessels specifically for research,
Also some Klingon players argue that carriers should be exclusive to the KDF, I agree with that assessment as it suits the Klingon Empire but Klingons with Research Vessels? that just seems wrong, I think that Science ships should be more exclusive for the Federation.
It doesn't matter if it "makes sense."
It's a game.
Does it make sense that the Ferengi would somehow strip all of the future technology from future ships (Temporal Sci and Destroyer) and yet somehow not rule the galaxy?
No. Because it's a game.
That logic can be applied to anything, why can't we fly around in Borg cubes? It's just a game afteral, why can't we have Iconian Bridge officers? Why can't we fly the Voth City ship?
Saying that the game is already inaccurate so we might as well make it worse it a pretty poor excuse,
I just don't think KDF should have Science ships.
Because there needs to be some semblance of balance - don't worry, we're inevitably headings towards a Herald lockbox.
I'm not saying that the game is inaccurate because they have Science ships; they should have them regardless. Why should Science be a Fed only thing?
But let's play it your way - how would a society like the Klingons advance without Scientists? How would they continue to develop technologies in parallel with the rest of the major players? Korath (the guy who invented the Chronodeflector) obviously existed, so it's not like there's no Klingon scientists.
By that same logic - why don't the Romulans have an equally intense Science focus as they do "assassin"/vapers?
Raiders aren't very Fed but they have access to them...just change the name like they did with the Light Escort.
Romulans not scientific either?
I don't think Feds should have a raider or cloak in general yet they have both...so why cant the KDF or RR get a decent Science ship?
Why give them a Science ship at all? The Varanus and the Ha'nom are there but both of them are very lack luster...the Science Destroyers are there but they aren't the greatest either.
Those are holes in Star Trek Lore itself not the game, by logic the Klingons should have never evolved space travel let alone the warships they do., and the Romulans do have Science vessels we saw one testing the Phasic Cloaking device they were developing, but I'm just going by what TNG said in regards to Klingon scientists and Doctor Crusher said that Klingon scientists are not respected in Klingon Society which makes sense since the Klingons are a race of warriors, and that leads me to conclude that the KDF would not commit resources to the construction of vessels that were for solely for Research.
As for Korath he is another example of a Klingon Scientist but he is also a Warrior, he himself had a Neg'var Warship seen firing on Admiral Janeway's Shuttle, emphasis on "Warship" not research vessel, I know there are Klingon scientists I accept that, I was the one who mentioned their existence on the first place, but that doesn't change the fact that they still aren't treated with the same dignity in Klingon Scociety, as Klingons are encouraged to become warriors not Scientists, the show has multiple times shown how Klingons regard other Klingons that aren't warriors, Remember Alexander Worf's son? he was ridiculed onboard the Rotaran even worf himself had his bravery and dignity challenged, the same would no doubt occur to Klingons who devote their life to Scientific research and not the glory of battle.
And if since Klingons who don't devote their lives to being warriors are regarded so lowly then it tells me that the KDF wouldn't build ships solely for research solely to benefit these people.
As for Balance, KDF players have argued that Carriers should be KDF exclusive, something unique to that faction, the same makes scene with Science ships and the Fedration, just because factions have something exclusive and unique to that faction does not unbalance the game.
I'm sure Cryptic will release a Tier 6 Gorn Research vessel to suit the Science needs of KDF characters but a true KDF science ship? I don't agree with that and I don't see that happening.
Problem with that is Carriers aren't exclusive to the KDF...fighters sure aren't...I mean the KDF hasn't gotten anything new with a Hangar other than the Command ships (Which Feds got too) since pre-f2p.
Yet Feds have gotten hangars left and right...from the HEC to the MME's and later the Gal-x...they have a hangar ship for every flavor on the Fed side...yet the KDF is stuck with only obsolete Carriers.
Like I said...don't call it a Science ship...if the can change the name of a Raider to a Light Escort for Feds then they can change the name of a Science or Research ship to something else for Klingons.
Klingons do not have carriers or fighters. I watched every episode of TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise and all the movies. No carriers. So I find your statement to be completely absurd. Federation used fighters in DS9 and Voyager, but Klingons seem to be completely devoid of fighters.
I'm sure it will come in the future. Its only a matter of time.
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Well perhaps because you may not have been around in STO when carriers were exclusive to the KDF. Then we had the Atrox, HEC, Recluse, and Obelisk and that in game design philosophy became void.
Its not a point that relates to canon, its a point that relates to how STO used to be (which gave the KDF some unique sci options but with a distinctly more militaristic feel.)
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They did that. They called them "Support Vessels".
So... wish granted. Enjoy.
If by "decent" you mean something that is to Science Vessels what the Aquarius is to the KDF Birds of Prey, well... they already did that with the Varanus and Temporal Destroyers.
So... you don't think the Feds shouldn't have cloak or raiders, while what they have in both categories is substandard. With the exception of the Intelligence Vessels (where the KDF version got battle cloak and the RR got enhanced battle cloak) there are no integral cloaks on Fed ships, and most require a console (and often you have to buy a second ship you might not even want to get that console). There is also no access to battle cloak nor enhanced battle cloak. At all.
So any access at all is too much? The "faction exclusive" ship types should remain just that? And if any access is given to the opposing faction it is theft and injustice and that other faction should be thrilled they got anything?
Well, I think I can answer this...
... with this...
If the Feds should be happy with the Aquarius why aren't you happy with the Varanus? Huh? At launch Science Vessels were the exclusive Fed ship type...
Way to take it out of context...I was replying to that if KDF shouldn't have Sci ships then why should Fed get Cloak or Raiders...
The Aquarius isn't horrible...and isn't the worst Raider in the game...yet the Varanus and the Ha'nom are some of the lower end of Sci ships...
But lets forget that...lets take a look at when the KDF got the Varanus...long long time ago...pre-f2p if I remember.
Since then Feds have gotten Hangar based ships, Battle Cruisers, and a Raider...are Feds so selfish they can't allow the KDF a update to their roster for one ship class after Feds have taken numerous former exclusive KDF types?
If the KDF shouldn't have Science Vessels, then give back any notion of Battlecruisers, Universal BOFF stations, and Carriers. Those were once only KDF only perks.
Actually you were replying to someone who doesn't want klingon science vessels because he thinks they don't "fit" but is happy with gorn science vessels, meaning he wasn't against the KDF getting a Science Vessel. And of course you launched into the same tirade you've launched into before... bad Feds have all the raiders and poor klingons have nothing.
Actually the Aquarius is the worst "raider" in the game, falling well behind all of the KDF ships. If you want to include the Kazon and Breen ships, well, the Aquarius is comparable to them, but again that's the lower end.
And by that let's look at the fact that the Varanus and Ha'nom are comparable to the DSSV putting it into the same arena... and of course the Science Destroyers and the Temporal Vessels (since you want to bring in ships which aren't conventionally obtainable) are available and better than the DSSV, giving the KDF and RR options which aren't at the very bottom as well.
You mean this is worse than the KDF taking the UFP's only exclusive ship type and all all of their exclusive ship features? Keep in mind the only exclusive ship types the UFP had were the Science Vessels, and the only exclusive ability was integral Subsystem Targeting (the only original Science Vessel ability) which was given to the Vo'quv in order to make it more analogous to a science vessel prior to the creation of Sensor Analysis and the introduction of the Varanus.
Again, you lack perspective.
The KDF lacks in ships, but has always had the advantage in ship types and features, and they still do.
Asking for more ships is wise. Asking for more raiders for the UFP and more science vessels for the KDF is potentially wise. Asking that there be no more raiders for the UFP and no more science vessels for the KDF is also potentially wise. Asking for more science vessels for the KDF (and asking for the best as well... "the Science Destroyers are there but they aren't the greatest either") while complaining that the UFP has ever gotten anything and saying they should get nothing more and be oh so very happy with bottom of the barrel raiders is... well, it's what you're doing and wise is not something I would call it.
You're trying to pick the wrong battle...
So...I guess we will just dismiss the non-faction related Raiders just so you can make the same tired claim?
Name one place where KDF ships have the advantage?
Battle Cruisers? Fed and KDF ones are comparable...
Escorts? Well the Fed T6 has advantages and the T6 Raptor has a 5/2 slotting which is well honestly the only advantage it has over the Fed one.
Sci...well obvious who wins there.
Speaking of advantages...worst Raider in the game? Well the Aquarius has a stronger hull and shield mod than the BoP's? So no...the Aquarius isn't the worst no matter how much you pretend it is.
If we go T5...well Feds have the advantage in almost every area there as well...
Exclusives...well Feds still have Cruisers...Klingons and Romulans only have Battle Cruisers...no Cruisers. Same can be said for Dreadnoughts as well...so well you lose. (If you can ignore non-faction ships so can I) So Feds have two exclusive types.
Still without the battlecloak, Hit and Run tactics which are central to typical BoP survivability and the ability to set up on the rear arc for a flank strike, those are simply not feasible without the battlecloak.
The Boff seating allows you to adapt to any situation almost, on the fly, not always needed but I know a number of people that love their BoP's that take full advantage of the ability to go from heavy tac to heavy science or engineering in the middle of a mission. With the loadout system allowing you to swap over ship gear quickly as well it can make for a potent combination.
This is exactly why the Aquarius, breen and kazon ships are not terribly popular.
Now personally I'd be glad to let rommies and feds have fully functional raiders, the rommies already have battlecloaks all around so really all it would take is throwing a universal boff layout on a ship.
Feds are the problem though. The devs have been given certain guidelines by CBS about what can and cant be in the game, originally feds not having cloaks was one. t5 defiant and galaxy x got them when they launched becuase they were shown to have them in canon, this was later changed to making those cloaks a console (they were actually integrated originally) Fast forward to DR and evidently they got permission for the Intel ships to get a cloak. So in theory there may be some leyway for the feds to get a fully fledged Raider, but I wouldn't hold my breath for it and its got nothing to do with the kdf players wanting to keep the last unique thing they have, afterall we all know Cryptic don't listen to the KDF or rommie playerbase, and rarely listen to the feds (exaggeration I know, but they still manage to do a lot of stuff that plenty of people on all sides have told them is a poor idea.)
You mean like you dismiss the KDF Support Vessels?
You mean we should judge what is appropriate for the Feds in relation to raiders not by the best ships which are KDF-specific, but the two worst ships which are generally difficult to obtain?
Meanwhile, we should judge what is appropriate for the KDF in relation to science vessels by the best ships which are UFP-specific, and not say... the Ha'nom, or the DSSV, or the other factions' science destroyers? Or even, say, the Tholian Orb Weaver?
Yes, that's perfectly reasonable.
Their raiders.
Actually the Hegh'ta battle cloaks for free, turns better, has more hull (26,700 v. 25,500), and has a fully universal set up. The Norgh has bar none the best BOff set up among BoPs (1 Com, 2 LtCOm, 1 Lt).
And if you want to argue that the Aquarius is more durable (which it isn't partcularly) so it's awesome... the Varanus has 31,350 standard hull while while the MMR has 29,040... does that make the Varanus awesome?
Last I checked Cruisers are just the equivalent of Battle Cruisers minus cannons and turning.
But okay, so what makes a Cruiser? 4 device slots? The KDF Command Cruiser has that. Attract Fire? The new Negh'var has that and the Command Cruisers have that, and the Flight Decks have had that for ages. Terrible turn rate? The Bortas has that. Commander Engineering powers? That's every battle cruiser. High hull? Negh'var has equivalent hull to an Assault Cruiser. What exactly is there that Cruisers have?
Fed
Cruisers (Cruiser Mastery; Command Auras: Strategic Maneuvering, Shield Frequency Modulation, Weapon System Efficiency, Attract Fire)
Battle Cruisers (Battle Cruiser Mastery; Command Auras: Strategic Maneuvering, Shield Frequency Modulation, Weapon System Efficiency)
Dreadnought Cruisers (Hangar; Dreadnought Cruiser Mastery; Command Auras: Weapon System Efficiency, Attract Fire)
Intel Battlecruiser* (Battle Cruiser Mastery; Command Auras: Strategic Maneuvering, Weapon System Efficiency)
Command Battlecruisers (Hangar; Battle Cruiser Mastery; Command Auras: Shield Frequency Modulation, Attract Fire)
*It's stated that the Eclipse is an Intel Cruiser, but it has Cloak, Cannons, and the Battle Cruiser Starship Mastery (even if it is listed as Cruiser, it's the Battle Cruiser passives).
KDF
Battle Cruisers (Battle Cruiser Mastery; Command Auras: Strategic Maneuvering, Shield Frequency Modulation, Weapon System Efficiency)
Flight-Deck Cruisers (Hangar; Flight-Deck Cruiser Mastery; Command Auras: Shield Frequency Modulation, Attract Fire)
Intel Battlecruiser (Battle Cruiser Mastery; Command Auras: Strategic Maneuvering, Weapon System Efficiency)
Command Battlecruisers (Hangar; Battle Cruiser Mastery; Command Auras: Shield Frequency Modulation, Attract Fire)
Feds don't have Flight-Deck Cruisers.
KDF don't have Dreadnought Cruisers nor Cruisers.
Used to be Feds didn't have Battle Cruisers, but when Feds got Battle Cruisers KDF didn't get a Cruiser. That's if one figures on the Dreadnought Cruiser and Flight-Deck Cruiser maintaining some sort of difference between the factions...that Feds got Battle Cruisers, though, should have given KDF a Cruiser.
Hey...I'm not ignoring them like you do...I acknowledged them...they just suck.
Sure if you compare the Hegh'ta has more hull than the standard Aquarius...but there is no fleet Hegh'ta and the fleet Aquarius has 28k hull. The Fleet Aquarius is just short of 4k more hull, 0.18 more shields, and has a tac slot more, one less turn but 20 more inertia.
For having Attract Fire...everywhere including the stats post on the STO main page says the N'T doesn't have it...but I'll take your word for it (:rolleyes:)
Except since you're so hung up on boff layouts...the Assault Cruiser clearly has a superior layout.
I didn't say Cruisers and Dreadnoughts were the cream of the crop...just saying Feds have types that the KDF doesn't
Actually I've readily acknowledged the non-faction "raiders" as well, but I dismiss them as you dismiss the Support Vessels... because they suck. Also because the defining feature of the raider has always been battle cloaking and an entire complement of universal BOff slots. Fact is, the flanking bonus didn't exist until the Plesh Brek was introduced, and when it was the Birds didn't have it... it had to be retroactively added about a month later. So the core features of the class... the Aquarius doesn't have them.
How can the core feature of the raiders, which you claim BoPs to be, have only existed since early 2014... when the game launched with five tiers of BoPs in 2010?
So what you're saying is that, yeah, the standard Aquarius has less hull than the free BoP. And the differences between the Aquarius and the Fleet BoPs is much smaller than the above since those get a 10% buff in shields and hull and an console extra slot as well. They also get Battle Cloaking, which it integral to taking advantage of the flanking bonus. And a higher turn rate. And better BOff seating including a universal Commander.
Complaining that there is no Fleet Hegh'ta? Wise. This is, again, not what you're doing.
Oh wow! You're right! It lacks a tiny feature! THANK YOU for pointing that out! It doesn't have attract fire! It also lacks a forth item slot! That is everything it doesn't have that a Cruiser does have*. So because of that Cruisers are a completely unique class! I am glad you are pointing out how unique this is, and how the Federation still has so much going for it when it comes to incredibly unique ship classes.
Because those two small differences make an entirely different class. Right? Right!?
Now, when we look at Light Escorts and Birds of Prey, on the other hand, those are exactly the same despite the Light Escort not having battle cloaking or a Universal Commander and those dirty Federation people stole your raiders, right?
Because Birds of Prey are just raiders and Light Escorts are just raiders. Even though the Light Escort isn't called a raider. And the non-faction ships the Light Escort is comparable to are called Heavy Raiders, and not just Raiders. But I mean, the addition of the word "Heavy" and a couple of differences doesn't make it a whole different class! The mere idea is preposterous, isn't it?! Now, I mean come on, in order to do that they'd have to call them Battle Raiders! Do you not see how different it would make things then!?
Makes perfect sense.
You've lost such perspective that you can't even see how bad an argument you're making, huh?
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The Romulans, I would like to see get something similar to the Scryer, but with a Singularity Core and a Romulan Battle Cloak. I could really see them with Science Command and Science Pilot ships too.
*Looks at the size of the GalX Phaser Lance*
YES YES YES!
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Odyssey-X gets Defense and CD Reduction Command Inspiration capabilities and an LtCmdr Universal/Command seat. In addition, it uses an Exotic-based Lance, rather than a Phaser-based lance. Typhoon-X gets Attack and CD Reduction Command Inspiration capabilities and an LtCmdr Universal/Intel seat, and a Phaser Lance. Andromeda-X gets Attack and Defense Command Inspiration abilities, LtCmdr Eng/Command seat, and a Lt Universal/Intel seat.
To go with this blatant show of force, Romulans and KDF also get similar equivalents.
KDF gets the Siege Bortasqu, Siege Vo'Quv, and Siege Negh variant (with Borasqu getting the strongest lance), all with KDF Mirror skins available for them as part of the KDF Siege pack. They all feature the same abilities and seats as their Federation-X counterparts, just with Disruptor Lances instead of Phaser on the Negh and Vo'Quv, while the Siege-Bort also gets an Exotic-based lance.
Romulans get the Imperial Scimitar, Imperial Haakona, and Imperial D'khellra variants. The Imperial Scimitar features a Thalaron Lance rather than a Thalaron pulse, with the other two getting Plasma Lances. Aside from that, same abilities and similar seats to their Fed and KDF counterparts. The Imperial Pack features the Mirror skins for each, as well as the Leahval options and Imperial Romulan Skin for the Scimitar.
All are also available in one pack as part of the Siege Megabundle, retailing @ $120 USD.
And the Siege Megabundle comes after the Federation Typhoon bundle, which comes out after some future Specialization that involves both DPS and tanking (like Vanguard or something).