But you are a mature adult.
Some people are spoiled children who don't know how to communicate.
How do you expect them to spin the outrage machine?
I know but I just assume that people are reasonable....I guess I just expect too much......guys I play 4 different games other then STO so if STO doesn't want to load I have other things to keep me occupied. Also going out on a jog....or hanging with RL friends (I did this a lot in my youth)
But you are a mature adult.
Some people are spoiled children who don't know how to communicate.
How do you expect them to spin the outrage machine?
something a lot of people need to think about too, is not every person who is upset is a spoiled child, or a flamer, or whatever.. there are those who give constructive undesireable feedback. there are people who have been here since launch, and have been waiting for cryptic to finally hit the cards right and build a game that is proper in their eyes.
I can care less at this point, ive learned that fighting does nothing lol.. but, I have seen some peeps on here make excellent points, or really drive the situation home, just to see other pwe/cryptic supporters just pull the cry baby card on them and vise versa.
im not saying all of the destructive feedback is good, or non childish, but the new defence for the pro cryptics seems to be to try and just try and steamroll any negative feedback calling other players, entitled, and trolls. im not making a comment on this one thread, but more saying in general.
over the years, I have watched more and more supporters cross to the "dark side" especially as of late. I see empty queues, I see empty instances, I see less and less people chatting in what used to be very busy channels, and most of the chat I do see is negative.. I would say there is maybe something to all the naysaying, or "doom" as the supporters automatically tag anything that isn't positive. I know my own perception of the game has made me seek alternative games to play.
the way I look at it is, for every person who thinks everything is rainbows and lollipops in the cryptic universe, there is someone who thinks the opposite. the funny thing is, a lot of the pro cyptics always say, "well ur not the majority, and often throw down that it is impossible to tell what everyone in game is thinking. well by that logic, how does one know if the majority is happy? or that the majority are not having problems like other people just getting into the game.
no one knows.. name calling, and trying to steam roll ones perception of the game doesn't make one side or the other right, or wrong..
i have heard some players got banned if they buy zens on steam launcher, if you get caught.
so, if you need more zen, i would buy on Arc launcher just to be safe than be sorry.
Arc/PWI are suppose to sell zens, not the Steam client, they are not authorized, since it is under liscense agreement, they are suppose to host a server, that was it.
other poster mention about launcher corruption was a good call to delete bad version, and replace with newer client.
I'm guessing you're not having this problem, or else you would not be saying this...
Ignore the troll. It isn't entitlement to expect an MMO game with 5 years experience to actually work. You're not alone, many people have been having issues.
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Lag Watch:
Delta Rising: Warning
Anniversary Event: Severe
Iconian Season: Critical
I am curious why some people (like myself) have experienced absolutely no crashes, and others are crashing all the time.
Please stop trying to spin the blame on those players having problems.
All of my characters load fine, except one.
My drivers are all updated, I've forced DX9, I've re-installed several times, it still is just that 1 character that this problem occurs on. Tried checking ISP, no errors there either (and wouldn't make sense it was that anyway when it is only just the 1 character). This didn't happen before the latest season came out. It only started happening after.
I've gone through support and even they are stumped after trying all their attempts to fix it.
Please stop trying to spin the blame on those players having problems.
All of my characters load fine, except one.
My drivers are all updated, I've forced DX9, I've re-installed several times, it still is just that 1 character that this problem occurs on. Tried checking ISP, no errors there either (and wouldn't make sense it was that anyway when it is only just the 1 character). This didn't happen before the latest season came out. It only started happening after.
I've gone through support and even they are stumped after trying all their attempts to fix it.
If it's only one character, you can probably ignore any concerns with ISP or network connection.
Is there anything special about that character that is different from the other? Gear, ship choice, map position? Anything in the patch notes that might apply to your character? (Regarding gear, the last patch fixed the Dual Omni Beam Array bug, if you still had them equipped, and something odd is going in your inventory or so, it could have caused a problem?)
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To demand a working, non-defective product as a paying customer, whether they be a lifetime subscriber, regular subscriber, or even just a one time zen-store buyer, is not entitlement.
It is a right.
I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a right, but asking for a working product isn't too much to ask for. Yes, Cryptic should do something to fix the issue and based on reports from Trendy, the Devs are working on them.
I am not keeping much track of these problems, since they don't seem to affect me much, but isn't the stuff Trendy is talking specifically about the lag problems?
But of course, that doesn't mean they aren't working on this problem, either. I suspect the Developers are doing their job - as instructed to them by whoever instructs them at Cryptic/PWE. Whether that means fixing crashes, lags or making a nice charts of database and installer sizes for the execs I don't know.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
To demand a working, non-defective product as a paying customer, whether they be a lifetime subscriber, regular subscriber, or even just a one time zen-store buyer, is not entitlement.
It is a right.
Isnt it fun when people quote one thing and dont bother reading everything else that ive said....funny
I've been thrown out of the game and keep crashing on my way to getting back to playing far too often too. The fact that it is not happening to everyone else does NOT mean that it does not happen. The fact that it only happens to some people does not mean its their fault. To say that someone is entitled, or a constant complainer or anything of the sort is the statement of not merely a troll, but a complete TRIBBLE. I am not overly fond of people voicing their concerns only to be met with so much hate and malice. It's high time to stop blaming everyone else and put the blame where it belongs. The devs need to fix it.
I haven't had any crashes in ages untill a few days ago when i bought a tactical command ship on my main. I had 2 crashes in the first few hours flying it, but after running the "confirm game files" popup (or whatever it was called).. nothing since.. fingers crossed
Although there is noticebly more lag during gameplay with command compared to my intel/other ships, but as far as i've read thats already known by many.
I had a character locked on a map once. every time I logged into that character my game would freeze then crash, but all other character worked fine. I contacted CS and they ended up telling me to delete somethings and let the game rebuild the files. After that everything was fine. I can't remeber what it was right now and I can't find the CS email. If I were you I'd file a CS ticket.
To say that someone is entitled, or a constant complainer or anything of the sort is the statement of not merely a troll, but a complete TRIBBLE.
It's the obnoxious tone of the OP that's getting him called entitled, and not anything else. Telling the devs that they need to "do their jobs" is suggesting that they're just sitting around twiddling their thumbs ignoring all the problems when that's clearly not the case. There's a way to post a complaint and a way not to--and making an insulting insinuation that people aren't "working" isn't one of them, especially when said in a condescending tone.
I know there are problems, cryptic has even admitted to them and is working on fixes.....its the people who have to post threads that demand that cryptic do something then throw out that you spend money on the game like that makes you special stinks of entitlement. ive spent thousands on the game not including LTS.....but I do not feel that its proper for me to throw that in their face. maybe its all that customer service expirence....insulting the company gets you nothing.
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I know but I just assume that people are reasonable....I guess I just expect too much......guys I play 4 different games other then STO so if STO doesn't want to load I have other things to keep me occupied. Also going out on a jog....or hanging with RL friends (I did this a lot in my youth)
That is a very unrealistic assumption.
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Join Date: Sep 2008
well shoot.....
something a lot of people need to think about too, is not every person who is upset is a spoiled child, or a flamer, or whatever.. there are those who give constructive undesireable feedback. there are people who have been here since launch, and have been waiting for cryptic to finally hit the cards right and build a game that is proper in their eyes.
I can care less at this point, ive learned that fighting does nothing lol.. but, I have seen some peeps on here make excellent points, or really drive the situation home, just to see other pwe/cryptic supporters just pull the cry baby card on them and vise versa.
im not saying all of the destructive feedback is good, or non childish, but the new defence for the pro cryptics seems to be to try and just try and steamroll any negative feedback calling other players, entitled, and trolls. im not making a comment on this one thread, but more saying in general.
over the years, I have watched more and more supporters cross to the "dark side" especially as of late. I see empty queues, I see empty instances, I see less and less people chatting in what used to be very busy channels, and most of the chat I do see is negative.. I would say there is maybe something to all the naysaying, or "doom" as the supporters automatically tag anything that isn't positive. I know my own perception of the game has made me seek alternative games to play.
the way I look at it is, for every person who thinks everything is rainbows and lollipops in the cryptic universe, there is someone who thinks the opposite. the funny thing is, a lot of the pro cyptics always say, "well ur not the majority, and often throw down that it is impossible to tell what everyone in game is thinking. well by that logic, how does one know if the majority is happy? or that the majority are not having problems like other people just getting into the game.
no one knows.. name calling, and trying to steam roll ones perception of the game doesn't make one side or the other right, or wrong..
i have heard some players got banned if they buy zens on steam launcher, if you get caught.
so, if you need more zen, i would buy on Arc launcher just to be safe than be sorry.
Arc/PWI are suppose to sell zens, not the Steam client, they are not authorized, since it is under liscense agreement, they are suppose to host a server, that was it.
other poster mention about launcher corruption was a good call to delete bad version, and replace with newer client.
anyway, have fun playing.
Ignore the troll. It isn't entitlement to expect an MMO game with 5 years experience to actually work. You're not alone, many people have been having issues.
Lag Watch:
Delta Rising: Warning
Anniversary Event: Severe
Iconian Season: Critical
Please stop trying to spin the blame on those players having problems.
All of my characters load fine, except one.
My drivers are all updated, I've forced DX9, I've re-installed several times, it still is just that 1 character that this problem occurs on. Tried checking ISP, no errors there either (and wouldn't make sense it was that anyway when it is only just the 1 character). This didn't happen before the latest season came out. It only started happening after.
I've gone through support and even they are stumped after trying all their attempts to fix it.
If it's only one character, you can probably ignore any concerns with ISP or network connection.
Is there anything special about that character that is different from the other? Gear, ship choice, map position? Anything in the patch notes that might apply to your character? (Regarding gear, the last patch fixed the Dual Omni Beam Array bug, if you still had them equipped, and something odd is going in your inventory or so, it could have caused a problem?)
Guess they like you better lol.
I've had a couple issues running through my mining company, but other than that normal gameplay and log in has been fine.
To demand a working, non-defective product as a paying customer, whether they be a lifetime subscriber, regular subscriber, or even just a one time zen-store buyer, is not entitlement.
It is a right.
Did you even send a ticket?
Edit: And before you say anything, yes, I've had similar crashes since season 10 as well.
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I am not keeping much track of these problems, since they don't seem to affect me much, but isn't the stuff Trendy is talking specifically about the lag problems?
But of course, that doesn't mean they aren't working on this problem, either. I suspect the Developers are doing their job - as instructed to them by whoever instructs them at Cryptic/PWE. Whether that means fixing crashes, lags or making a nice charts of database and installer sizes for the execs I don't know.
Isnt it fun when people quote one thing and dont bother reading everything else that ive said....funny
Although there is noticebly more lag during gameplay with command compared to my intel/other ships, but as far as i've read thats already known by many.
It's the obnoxious tone of the OP that's getting him called entitled, and not anything else. Telling the devs that they need to "do their jobs" is suggesting that they're just sitting around twiddling their thumbs ignoring all the problems when that's clearly not the case. There's a way to post a complaint and a way not to--and making an insulting insinuation that people aren't "working" isn't one of them, especially when said in a condescending tone.
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