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samt1996
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As an escort user I'm thrilled of course but I do have a bad taste in my mouth as I JUST spent $100 to get my Bugship. So what's the point of making such a rare and expensive ships just to make it almost totally obsolete with a much cheaper alternative? On the bright side, at least the C-Store is getting some useful ships again, even if they are taking a TRIBBLE on all my lockbox ships... :mad:
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For someone that has been around this game long enough, I'm surprised you don't know that new ships are always "the new hotness" and sometimes stronger than the last. STO's ship releases are often like that. Did you expect your Bugship to dominate the game for 3 or so years?
Not to mention, the JHSS is exactly what you said; a rare and expensive ship. Nothing more, nothing less. Just something to brag about. I have one too; it's only as obsolete as you think it is.
As to the new pilot ships; I give it a month before they're nerfed somehow, and at the same time, the next batch of Iconic ships comes out.
Then the cycle will repeat anew with another Specialization. Maybe in 2-3 months.
And here is some more info for you, they will be having a T6 Defiant at some point to go along with the rest of their Iconic T6 line. So do not be surprised when that comes out.
At what point do people take responsibility for their own actions? Did Gecko come to your home and hold a gun to your head to spend $100.00 to get that ship? Did anyone at Cryptic ever say they would never make another Escort after the new Jem version so that Pilot ships appearing somehow shocked and surprised you?
You made your own choices. Accept responsibility for them.
Well, the last Bugships did dominate for three years, so that kinda why I bought the new one. Hoping I'd have atleast one ship that could last the test of time for a while atleast.
I knew the Pilot ships were coming but I did not know they were going to have the EXACT same stats as the Bugship.
Turn rate of 20 (the Bugships main selling point)
33k hull
1.05 shield modifier
5/2 weapons and five tactical consoles plus every other flavor.
Yup, Bugship is crushed.
And you expected the same thing to happen, which is the surprising thing. You've been in this game long enough to know better, man. Especially since you played through the transition of Pre-DR and into a Post-DR STO and all the turbulent changes since.
I've accepted years ago that no matter what ship I get, there's a decent chance some new ship down the line will be equal to or better. But if you got a good ship to begin with, the subsequent ship doesn't render it useless all the sudden.
The Jem'Haddar Attack ship was never really about performance to me it's just a lovely looking ship that is a rare prize, If I had the chance I'd choose the original Tier 5 Attack ship over the Manassa or the new Pilot ships, just because something isn't at the top of the DPS charts doesn't make it worthless the JHAS is a gorgeous vessel and valuable in it's own right, just wish I could swap my Manassa for it.
Hate to break it to you but the JHAS has been obsolete for a long time. every escort released in the past couple of years has been better than it. Including but not limited to Xindi-Reptilian, the Hirogen Hunter, and the Tempest...
Even when the JHSS was released the Phantom, Faeht and Mat'ha where on the same level, the fleet versions of these ships just pushed them beyond...
and lets not get into the Hazari, Manasa, and Olaen; which can still go pound for pound vs the new pilot ships.
edit: top of the DPS chart is still a T5-U fed escort.
Hmm, I didn't realize the hazari was that good. Might have to unbox mine...
Also, I love how every time a new ship comes out people cry about things going obsolete while the top record holders are still t5u.
Heh.
^^
As sarcasm said, the gap closed on the T5 Bugship long before even DR came out. The T6 JHSS even on release is a fantastic Escort but the current crop of T6 Escorts, faction ship or not, aren't left behind in the dust. Seeing the stats and comparing them would have answered any question whether a ship was Old School Bugship OP or not.
Even the Sheshar, great ship, but it doesn't smoke check the competition of TAC Cruisers.
All I'm saying is not to expect Old School Bugship levels of being completely OP to the rest of the ships to repeat.
And are they better than a Fleet Phantom? They probably won't get a fleet version so the phantom has better hull, great turnrate. THe only big chance is the 4/3 vs 5/2 Weapons Layout which could mean more energy drain
The Pilot ship will already be at T6 Fleet level like the command ships, I think that will determine the Pilot Ship vs Phantom fight is how good the pilot abilities are in comparison to the Intel Abilities.
I know every inch of the 707 aircraft; you could take the wings off this thing and use it as a tank! Its built to withstand anything except a bad pilot! George Kennedy
I didn't use many skillpoints in Intel but some in Pilot but only to increase my turnrate. I am not using any of those abilites because i simply hate the forced xp-grind and i pnyl play a bit every evening so it takes a long time until i get a spec. point
But it wold be great to know if those Console set Boni are actually useful or if i should better use my normal Rep. System uni consoles
I like the new ships, I'm not sure I will get one at this point. Time will tell.
As for your Jem ship. You spent the $ on it, enjoy it. That is why you got it. That was your own actions. The Jem ship been outdated for a long time anyways. Just enjoy your rare ship. That is where it counts.
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Combine the Jem'Hadar Space set with the 3/3 Dominion Console set and you have a 35% bonus to all Polaron damage, that's not counting any bonuses from Tactical consoles.
So, using JH space set and JH Console set basically gives all Jem'Hadar an extra Tactical console slot if you use Polaron weapons. 35% is a very nice sized number, and its served me well since I got the JHSS
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
Interesting... I tend to build my ships for PVP so I can't really take a lot of universals though. The JHSS has a great console and a good trait. (On paper) So I do like it I'm just a bit irritated with all of its unique stats being integrated into C-Store ships... In fact, nearly every other escort in the game is now obsolete or on par at best.
The Jem'Hadar Space Set bonus isn't all it's cracked up to be.
The 2 piece Polaron Bonus is okay. But it's a mere strength bonus like a Tac Console kind of way and nothing like the final bonus of, say, AMP Cores, Disruptor/Phaser bonus from Counter-Command Weapon Set (2 piece), Nukara 2 piece. It's not that big a deal.
Victory Is Life 3 piece bonus? Maybe if you PVP. But for PVE, let me say this: How often do you see NPCs with buffs? And when you actually spot one with buffs, how many are there typically? This is why Victory is Life is useless in PVE. Hard to make a big deal about stripping buffs when NPCs don't really run with buffs.
You know its true, the pilot ships indeed look awesome stat wise and combine a turnrate of 20 with a 5/2 gun port layout. Ouch. Manasa at least had the slower turn rate compared to the JHSS.
I rarely do PvP but even in PvE I am still going to stick with the JHAS you know. Reason is the flexibility as far as the boff slots are concerned. I constant lt. commander tac AND a exchangeable lt. commander unislot. Once too often I enter a match with that ship, see how the pugs perform, adapt my layout when out of combat quickly to suit it to the need of the match. Its plain and simple the fun of freedom.
As far as new pilot stuff is concerned another ouch. Yea, would have suited the JHSS a lot but I suppose one cant have it all.
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That's if your playing the Fed pilot ship...
The KDF and Romulan have different hull and shield mods.
So are horse carriages obsolete? Something new was invented, automobiles.
But horse carriages are still obtainable and they are still very capable of carrying people and goods. Their capabilities haven't diminished in any way.
The Bugship isn't obsolete, my complaint is that all of its unique stats were integrated into the new pilot ships which are significantly cheaper.
Try this analogy, I spent 60,000 on a new Corvette and then Chevrolet comes out with an equal or superior Corvette a few months later for only 30,000. I'm gonna feel pretty damned cheated. :mad:
But complaining about it is fun.
You're QQ'ing about losing $100 at the slot machines?
I bought it outright, I do not gamble.
$$ > Promo Packs > EC > JHSS
Most people actually buy these ships outright FYI.