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  • bunansabunansa Member Posts: 928 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Rofl, I feel you on that one.

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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Tbh i think cryptic should add one more faction and thats it id say cardassians as i think it would be more easily done.

    As far as the lock box galor there is two way to go around this

    1) Take the federation heavy cruiser aka the chyenne class and skin it over with the galor then add in the text for the lock box version that those were modified galors from the dominion war that have been salvaged and sold by the ferengis.

    2) Add the current T5 - T5U lock box galor as a standard ship and boost the current lock box ships to T6.
    This way we get the galor and we get a better verison of the galor in the boxes that way sales wont drop off but due to the only way to get said T6 galor is via lock box id imagine those sales would increase.

    anyways those are two ideas to work around the galor already in game

    but yeah i say add the cardassians and stop there and i would be ok if they did the same thing as the romuolans as to say a new cardassian govt like the republic.

    Or cardassia goes through a govt reform and decide to join the alliance as a republic patterning themselves after the romulan republic.

    You can even have a scenario where the cardassians are getting advice from the romulans how to create a republic.
  • looter#0963 looter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Again, as it's been said MULTIPLE TIMES in both this thread and the interview, they are not planning on doing another faction/expansion for AT LEAST another season or two. The next season(s) will be QOL improvements, episode re-vamps and finishing the Iconian story arc. We're looking at at solid year before anyone at Cryptic even thinks about making another expansion/faction.

    The whole purpose of this thread was just discussing the future possibility of a Cooperative/Liberated Borg faction, not how it's happening tomorrow and everything else is being put on hold...


    Ok so an entire year before it gets hilariously dumb.
    And I never said I expected it tomorrow...Id MUCH rather they not make any new half factions that theyll support for 2 months before moving onto the next shiney to sell.
    Heres an idea for next year...shore up the divide between KDF,Rom and Fed..or get new servers so the game runs smoother for more people(not necessarily Cryptics fault for ppl lagging bad but running multiple MMO's off 1 server doesnt help)...or fix the myriad of bugs that have been around since launch...
    Would also be a good time to split the Romulan notafaction into its own fleshed out faction instead of a bastardized thing it is now.
    Im not against any new factions..be it Borg,Cardassian or Dominion.Just sayin...theres ALOT more things they can do before adding another half faction..and most of it would take more than 1 season.
    And honestly if they add in Liberated Borg as a half faction(Dont delude yerself into thinkin its gonna be anything more) how many LTS would quit?Im not an LTS but Id be kinda put off if I had to pay $200-$300 for Borg character only to have em made free.Yes Im still kinda irked that I paid for my Ferengi only to have it free when game went F2P..but $15 is no comparison to 200-300.And we all know LTS'ers pitch a fit when somethin is taken away from them and given out to everyone.For Borg notafaction theyd haveta give LTS somethin "better" so they dont feel cheated.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,005 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    (...) And sometimes just seeing you are part of a separate faction is nice, even if you are absorbed into a "parent" faction. (...)

    Im with you on the notion it should have been developed differently. In fact, if I would have a say I think pretty much nothing would have worked out the way it is now :D

    But the bit I quoted above, I see it differently. The way it is now, to me, it's just pretend. On my Romulan char I never ever got the feeling I would belong to a different faction. Interestingly enough, not even through the exclsuvie story arcs.
    That is an idiotic comparison given that the "Allies", "In Shadows", and "Vengeance" story arcs are still romulan only, and those make up a fair bit of Romulan content.

    If this is enough to statisfy you in that regard, more power to you. But still, functionally the Romulan faction doesn't exist beyond "turning point" and until "bigger picture" you are locked out from playing the game outside of those tutorial/story missions. And afterwards, while you have a few episodes to play which is true, you are not Romulan anymore. You are Klingon or Starfleet. You don't team up with Romulans, you team with KDF or Starfleet to fight Romulans that team up with the other coloured team. You use KDF or Starfleet assets, officers etc. You also have Romulan assets, that's true, but for the game you are red or blue. To me personally that's not enough.
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  • quiiliitiilaquiiliitiila Member Posts: 309 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Ok so an entire year before it gets hilariously dumb.
    And I never said I expected it tomorrow...Id MUCH rather they not make any new half factions that theyll support for 2 months before moving onto the next shiney to sell.
    Heres an idea for next year...shore up the divide between KDF,Rom and Fed..or get new servers so the game runs smoother for more people(not necessarily Cryptics fault for ppl lagging bad but running multiple MMO's off 1 server doesnt help)...or fix the myriad of bugs that have been around since launch...
    Would also be a good time to split the Romulan notafaction into its own fleshed out faction instead of a bastardized thing it is now.
    Im not against any new factions..be it Borg,Cardassian or Dominion.Just sayin...theres ALOT more things they can do before adding another half faction..and most of it would take more than 1 season.
    And honestly if they add in Liberated Borg as a half faction(Dont delude yerself into thinkin its gonna be anything more) how many LTS would quit?Im not an LTS but Id be kinda put off if I had to pay $200-$300 for Borg character only to have em made free.Yes Im still kinda irked that I paid for my Ferengi only to have it free when game went F2P..but $15 is no comparison to 200-300.And we all know LTS'ers pitch a fit when somethin is taken away from them and given out to everyone.For Borg notafaction theyd haveta give LTS somethin "better" so they dont feel cheated.

    Obviously I'm in agreement that the game has issues that need to be resolved. But I simply think that we shouldn't put everything on hold whilst doing so.

    Also, LTS members would still get Liberated Borg, but they'd get to play them in every faction, still something that people'd like and still something that'd be exclusive to them. Then again, I know I didn't purchase a LTS just for the Liberated Borg perk and after the first four years I kinda didn't even keep track of the other perks. Most of the long time LTS members probably don't care one way or another, at least I'd hope so. :rolleyes:
  • quiiliitiilaquiiliitiila Member Posts: 309 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Im with you on the notion it should have been developed differently. In fact, if I would have a say I think pretty much nothing would have worked out the way it is now :D

    But the bit I quoted above, I see it differently. The way it is now, to me, it's just pretend. On my Romulan char I never ever got the feeling I would belong to a different faction. Interestingly enough, not even through the exclsuvie story arcs.

    I meant a faction in respects that we get exclusive ships and gear that other factions don't have access to. That's the first and most important aspect of a "faction in my mind". Then exclusive story arcs a close second. Right now we get almost 75% of a faction with the Romulans currently, because we have exclusive ships and gear and about 20-30 levels of exclusive story.

    Having a pretend faction with exclusive content's better than not having a faction at all. :D
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    It's just allmost impossible for them to do a Cardie/Dominion faction...

    Why would Cardassia be wrapped in with the Dominion. They effectively left the Dominion at the end of DS9. There is no in game or out lore that says they are reunified. You can just add in Cardassians as a playable race for all factions and leave the ships as they are.

    Not even sure the Breen are technically in it anymore.


    The only thing I can think of making a Dominion factions is perhaps the creation of some weaker versions of ships, compared to what are in boxes and in the store.

    Really that is what the ALL core factions ships are like. Your leveling ships are decent but not as good as the store, and box versions. So it wouldn't be all that hard to do.
  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Please, don't make *any* new faction. Give love to these already existing, and even as someone who mains Fed & one character 99% of my time & I love the Liberated borg theme to bits & pieces - KDF needs that love the most right now, not any new faction, which would end up being another resource the devs wouldn't be able to devote their time to, due to time/resources constraints.

    This is 100% true. We don't need any new factions, you want to do Cardassian's dev's? Just make a new playable character option for the factions, you want Borg ships playable, throw them in a lock box.

    You want to devote time to something, devote it to making missions for all 3 factions that are unique for that faction so playing on all 3 factions is a fresh and rewarding experience. Playing the same missions on all factions is dull. Give it some appeal to roll more than 1 character in more than 1 faction. It would also help to maximize sales.

    Create new options, like the ability to change the career and species of our characters, If you keep releasing new species, well what is the point if we can't change our mains? You created the Talaxian's for LTS, but really who seriously uses them?

    The KDF needs a lot of work, uniforms, missions, ships (science ships most of all). Don't waste your time on a faction that in the end very few will play. Work on the underdog faction you created at launch and get them up to Federation standards in terms of unique assets.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Obviously I'm in agreement that the game has issues that need to be resolved. But I simply think that we shouldn't put everything on hold whilst doing so.

    Also, LTS members would still get Liberated Borg, but they'd get to play them in every faction, still something that people'd like and still something that'd be exclusive to them. Then again, I know I didn't purchase a LTS just for the Liberated Borg perk and after the first four years I kinda didn't even keep track of the other perks. Most of the long time LTS members probably don't care one way or another, at least I'd hope so. :rolleyes:

    Liberated Borg Captains from the Alpha Quadrant should have some special interactions with any Liberated Borg faction.

    I think the best method for Lifers is that their Liberated Borg get upgraded to Liberated Borg instead of Liberated Borg Human/Klingon/Romulan for any Liberated Borg Captain they have while non-Lifers are limited to the Liberated Borg faction and only certain races. The Liberated Borg available to Lifers would have a limited version of the alien customization system so we could create Liberated Borg Andorians, Vulcans, or Caitians if we have the Caitian race unlocked.
  • voivodjevoivodje Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Borg faction is what was missing all along, I'm looking so forward to this.
    Hopefully it comes with ship cosmetics and real Borg armor.

    I for one can't wait!
  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    starkaos wrote: »
    Liberated Borg Captains from the Alpha Quadrant should have some special interactions with any Liberated Borg faction.

    I think the best method for Lifers is that their Liberated Borg get upgraded to Liberated Borg instead of Liberated Borg Human/Klingon/Romulan for any Liberated Borg Captain they have while non-Lifers are limited to the Liberated Borg faction and only certain races. The Liberated Borg available to Lifers would have a limited version of the alien customization system so we could create Liberated Borg Andorians, Vulcans, or Caitians if we have the Caitian race unlocked.

    Interesting thought.

    Personally as a LTS myself I would be happy if they shared the love around and gave silver members and non-LTS the Liberated Borg as a species option. Provided they gave everyone the ability to change career and species (c-store token would be fine) and gave LTS something new as a trade, maybe a playable Kazon for the KDF and a different playable DQ species (Benthan's come to mind) for the Federation just to be different. Maybe something for the Romulans like the Suliban to give them more options.

    They really could make a fair bit of money here, new species could be quite profitable if players could change their species.

    All is a moot point though if one can't change their main or existing alt's to take advantage of these new options.
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  • voivodjevoivodje Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    GOD (read: Sir Taco or whomever that goes over this, lol), give the power toassimilate my entire crew: BOffs and DOffs.
    Even is it was merely cosmetic. XD

    And the power that the Borg have: to temporarily make an enemy to change sides.
    A bit like the Orion temptation power?
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,894 Community Moderator
    edited May 2015
    First, if Cryptic is going to add another Faction to STO, then they would almost certainly do it the same way that they did with Romulans. That being said, the best candidate for that model in-game are the Cardassians. And if any faction should become a playable Faction in-game, it should be the Cardassians. The lockbox Galor really is a non-issue, as there are plenty of Cardassian ships that could still be made for a Cardassian Faction, just give them a new Galor (maybe T6) with better stats.

    The Dominion as a Faction doesn't work, in my opinion, for story reasons, plus the fact that, yes, they've given away all the best/canon ships already in lockboxes/Lobi store. Had the T6 JHSS not been made, maybe that could've been worked around, but I think now it's better if they just continue on with making new T6 Jem'Hadar lockbox/Lobi ships.

    Barring Cardassians though, perhaps a better idea for a Fourth Faction would be to make it a generic story (following a similar line as the Romulan story) starting out on a generic colony world, disaster strikes and you're fighting for your life. Eventually, you end up picking a side (FED/KDF) and go from there. Throw in any number of new and old playable species, and done. Then adding new playable species and ships becomes less of a hassle without the need to create Faction after Faction.

    As for Liberated Borg as a playable Faction, I don't agree with the idea.

    First, the only story concept that a Faction really works for is the Cooperative and they have been exclusively shown in the Delta Quadrant, which is, at the moment, endgame. As the game has always started out in the Beta Quadrant, it would be a stretch (though not impossible) to have the Cooperative here as well. Additionally, the Cooperative are not true Liberated Borg, as they still share a hive mind that basically forces cooperation between the various disparate species that would otherwise be at odds. While I'm sure some interesting gameplay mechanic could be devised to emulate this, I still don't think that is the way to go.

    Second, outside of the Cooperative, true Liberated Borg have been shown to return to their society of origin. Our in-game examples show this as well with playable LibBorg Humans/Klingons/Romulans, even LT Gaius Selan. So, true Liberated Borg wouldn't make sense as a new Faction, but rather as a playable species, and as we already have this as an LTS perk, it would diminish that if it were offered up to everyone, and playable Talaxians just wouldn't make up for that lost exclusive.

    That being said, if Cryptic is determined to let everyone play as Liberated Borg at some point, I have a possible solution, and one that wouldn't even require players to re-roll a toon:

    As Cryptic continues to revamp story arcs, eventually they will get to the Borg Advance story arc again. During the mission "Assimilation," it is possible to become assimilated by the Borg and earn the Assimilated accolade. I propose that earning said accolade would award the in Space: +30 Starship Warp Core Efficiency and on Ground: +10% Health Regeneration, +6% Shield Regeneration that are given to playable LibBorg, plus unlock the Borg Neural Blast Trait, effectively allowing any toon to play functionally as a Liberated Borg.

    Further, the STF mission, Khitomer in Stasis, also awards an Assimilated accolade, and I propose that this accolade, while already granting a LibBorg Science BOFF, also unlock Borg prosthetics and costume options for the playable toon.

    These changes would be retroactive for anyone who has already earned the accolades. Players who did not or have yet to earn the accolades would, of course, be able to. This change would open all species to being played as Liberated Borg, and make becoming assimilated/liberated a part of the gameplay/storyline.

    LTS, of course, have the advantage of being able to start the game as LibBorg, but to give them something back, I propose that LTS be able to choose any species to start as LibBorg, rather than the current Human/Klingon/Romulan restriction. Also they would be given all of the Borg prosthetics and costume options from the start with the added bonus of being able to use said prosthetics and costume options on all of their BOFFs.

    And Borg ships...? I say put them in a lockbox/Lobi store. If players truly do want to fly a Borg Cube as much as they claim, I'm sure key sales will go through the roof.
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    The Dominion as a Faction doesn't work, in my opinion, for story reasons, plus the fact that, yes, they've given away all the best/canon ships already in lockboxes/Lobi store.

    Not unworkable. Core faction ships from leveling are just weaker versions of store, box ships. And they can just run those box offerings over, updated for T6.

    You don't say why you think they don't work story wise. The Dominion still exists, the allowed exploration could just be them studying more, and infiltrate in better.

    Other ways to really spin things like, someone who hates the Dominion in the their quad creates a new bio-weapon and wipes them out. That leaves a huge hole in leadership, cultural change with their 'gods' gone.

    Heck could be tied into the aftermath of the Iconian War. We haven't seen or heard what they are doing elsewhere in the Galaxy. Dominion might have been resisting them also, and that leads to the above bio-weapon being used by the Iconians. Or perhaps the Iconians were sewing the seeds for other problems there.

    Or they are a co-operative factions if you don't wipe them out, facing a new threat to the Galaxy attacking in their Quadrant to start. If the Dominion ask for help to a threat, you know it has to be real.


    Cardassians would be one of the the easiest allied / rival faction to create. Galor needs updating, and lots of other ships types to explore.
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