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Where has the old warp travel animation gone after the sector space revamp?
funkfantastic
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As the title says i really would like to ask if it´s a bug that the warp travel animation introduced with the last sector space revamp is gone.The new sectorspace without walls is great but it kinda feels very lame and non-trek flying around between stars looking like your ship is flying at impulse speed instead of warp.
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To be precise , the stars streaking by are totally missing , but if you look at your ship from the front , way back you can kinda see the streaks of your engine .
Sector space is also much darker then it was , making the different skins on our ships almost pointless (as they are mostly not visible there) .
... tried to have a convo with Taco a few weeks ago about the new sector space being much darker than the old one -- sadly he was less then receptive ...
Really? For me Sector Space seemed a lot brighter than I was used to, probably because of the new astrometrics. Although I was just in Federation Space, so maybe other sectors are darker.
It's one of THE most iconic FX in Trek and for that reason alone needs to be put back in.
The lighting in sector space was darkened to make it a little closer to actual space, and to make the lighting from stars more apparent as you pass by. Can you not check out your ship visuals near a system?
Incidentally, and not really your department to begin with, but the darkness is less noticeable on the newly released Tier 6 Galaxy/Andromeda. The lighting on that ship from the windows/engines/deflector is a lot brighter on that ship, which makes it look neat when in the darkest depths of space. Unfortunately all the other ships lighting maps look quite dim by comparison.
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While I can appreciate the effort (in the accuracy / reality department) -- the effort itself kinda brings us into conflict with what was shown on screen .
So considering that you argued for screen accuracy when the space for the exterior for DS9 was changed (when I complained / noted my preference to the previous murky golden brown soup) , I now have to bring up how ships looked on TV & movies) while flying in interstellar space at warp speed :
Sovereign
Galaxy
Galaxy (again)
Constitution refit
Voyager
I believe I made my point (I hope !
I also understand why the ships looked the way they did on TV... -- it was supposed to be a "visual feast" (a meager feast due to budget issues , but a feast non the less) .
And if I'm not mistaken , that is what this game is trying to be in every other aspect .
Sector space should be no different , and the players "avatar" should not be too well hidden .
I understand the part of you that is calling for realism .
Sadly , STO is not based on realism , but rather on a TV show ... , and the pics above show how the ships in the various shows looked 94% of the time (due to reuse of FX
I have one last argument to make :
As someone who spends a lot of time looking at computer (and other) screens (and as someone who like many of your players , wears glasses) , I'm sure you can understand the ... appreciation , of anything that puts less strain on the eyes .
And right now , the darkness of sector space is an eye strainer , as players instinctively search for the details on their ships that suddenly go near dark (or complete dark , depending on ones setup) .
And on that front as well , the current darkness is a negative experience .
By far not the way you could previously .
(bottom pic is the previous sector space)
And as I pointed out a while back , the "lighting up" (expressed by the shining on the hull on the side that faced the sun in sector space) was also muted a great deal .
(bottom pic is the previous sector space)
... and while I was hesitant to bring this up as it came too close to a ... feeling of extortion / manipulation of some kind ... -- I will point out that the eye straining experience does go somewhat against the stated goal of Cryptic (to get us to play as much as possible) ...
Can I suggest what's up? You guys scaled the ships way up, didn't you? It seemed that way on Tribble and I think tied into how you did some of the sector space changes.
Did you ALSO scale the streaks up?
Actually , if I'm not mistaken they scaled the ships down .
.... if they left the streaks the same size , that would explain perhaps why up close we barely see them, but zooming out (on certain ships) , or just swinging the camera 180 degrees, show the streaks much brighter further back .
As is , there are ships who don't look to be generating their own streaks , but rather being followed by them (as the streaks are weak / invisible next to the ship, but it gets brighter the further you look from the ship) ...
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Clearly you were being too negative, or something. Sounds like Taco is burnt out.
That issue may be multiplied in relation to which skin your ship is using , as some ships skins have a darker tone in sector space , while others (like the Narcine carrier) are almost equally bright in zone space and in sector space .
While I don't shy away from being negative (not for the sake of it , but in terms of honesty) , I don't expect each response I make to receive a comment / answer .
I'm not that important . :P
... OTOTH , the sector space revamp has been in the works since before the last year ended (something like 6 months more or less) , and there has been feedback & discussion on the matter of the darkness of the new sector space (as evidenced by the pics I posted in the bottom of this post) , so you can't say that this is a new issue ... , just one that has been disregarded ...
Ah. My ship was initially giant on Tribble. But I see what happened now.
I do suspect the streaks got lost in the scaling. change.
Now, simply rescaling the streaks MIGHT break Foundry content. The Galaxy retool broke the Galaxy Dreadnought in the Foundry. So we might need new streaks.
I was being sarcastic. Sounds like you provided them with fair warning. It's their choice to ignore it, or delay responding to it until after the ****storm has started.
The intent is that you have to fly to the actual planet you are going to, not just the system.
When we scaled up all of the systems by so much, it seemed really off that I could "beam to planet" from across the system.
In the shows (and those shots you've linked to) all ships are lit by a very strong side light, as though from a sun. That light source is ALWAYS off screen. That sort of lighting works fine for an image on screen. That does not work so well in an environment where you, the player have full control over the camera distance/rotation, all the way around the ship at any given moment.
The lighting that was turned down in sector space was just the ambient light. Note that the dark sides of all of those ships are VERY dark. The Ambient light, would have brought up those dark areas to be much brighter.
So, in this case, IMO, the best way to "replicate" screen accuracy, is by darkening the ambient (as I have done) and then flying your ship near a star system to get that side lighting.
As for your screenshot comparisons, the first shot does show off the difference in Ambient lighting. But I say again, to get the look of the show, you would rotate your camera so you aren't looking at the back side of your ship.
That rings even more true with the second screenshot, where the D'Kyr is significantly further right (and thus, the lighting is more visible) than the sovereign is.
Here is a better angle on the D'Kyr. Yes, the ambient is gone from the dark areas, but you can see the sunlight on the leading edge, the same as you could in the image you posted.
Here's a similar shot of the Sovereign. Again, darker in the back, but just as bright on the front/top.
Really? I've discussed this with you on several occasions, and you think it's being disregarded? In this case, I have simply seen as many players saying they LIKE it darker, as I have seen saying they DISLIKE it darker. So I haven't been convinced to change it. That doesn't mean I'm closed minded and unwilling to hear people who disagree.
In addition, whenever you change something, at the outset there will always be an of outcry for how terrible it is. But after people have gotten used to it for a while, they may find they don't mind it as much. So, we generally try to fix things that are obviously bugs right away, but leave some of the more subjective feedback to linger a while, and see how it shakes out once people have had a chance to get used to it. If, in a month or so, there is a large number of people saying sector space is too dark, I will gladly crank the ambient back up a bit.
I think you'll find most people will start complaining about this once any novelty wares off.
Your point about beaming down from outside the system is a mute point, most interacts are to enter a system rather than beam down.
Please increase the system interact radius.
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Agreed - plus it's not always obvious WHICH planet in a system is the one you ned to fly close to. If you guys wanted to make it so we needed to fly close to a planet, them you should allow the planet to be chosen as an 'auto-navigation' target as well. (And sorry to say with ALL the other glaring/immersion breaking elements in STO - a player being able to 'beam across the system - especially when it's 40 years after the last Prime Universe film is not all that immersion breaking by comparison. (IMO)
The Sector SPace revamp IS great work overall, but it could use some tweaks going forward.
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and then people will stop voicing their opinions when they feel that their concerns are being ignored
Don't get me wrong, I really love what you did with the new sector space, it feels like being in the tall ships of old on the vast ocean and seeing another ship sail by is cool to witness. But i'm onboard upping the ambient light. Maybe add a sector space ambient light slider in the menu, so players can have the option to scale dark to light... that way the darkside and the lightside debaters can put a space cork in it?
That'd be great. The other option, auto-navigation directly to a planet, wouldn't work because of the stars at times blocking the path.
Not to mention the interact radius was very small even in old sector space for certain 'doors' (like the gate to Solanae sphere in Tau Dewa).
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Those arent stars streaking by.
As for the lighting of sector space, I love it because it does give realism to what space would look like. As for the warp streaks, it doesn't bother me that much whether they are there or not because different warp fields could produce different effects.
As an Edit- If you do decide to change the lighting back, can you give us the option to have the lighting the way we want, instead of choosing for us?
This, so much this.
There were some scenes where space did appear dark, like I believe a few fly-by's in The Motion Picture with the Enterprise and its many self-illuminating light sources. Some ships are better self-lit than others in the game and I wouldn't mind if some were given a bit of a touch-up to look a bit more dramatically-lit, but that aside...
Sector Space being dark and only lit when near stars or other light sources is fine by me.