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Uniting with the Borg Collective. What?

saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
edited April 2015 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I know we're getting desperate considering what happened in "Blood of the Ancients", but...
this loading screen... Really?

The Dominion, the Breen, the remains of the RSE, the Gorn Confederation (reference to ST Starfleet Command?), I can understand, but the Borg, really?
Even after what happened with Voyager, Vega, and the rest, the Borg gets the honor of being in a "Unite" poster, instead of say.... the Undine, the Voth or the Tholians?
We're asking for BIG trouble.
#TASforSTO
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  • UnknownUnknown
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  • variant37variant37 Member Posts: 867 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I can't view the screenshot...but are we sure it's the Collective? As opposed to the Borg Cooperative, Hugh's group?
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  • valianttomevalianttome Member Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    variant37 wrote: »
    I can't view the screenshot...but are we sure it's the Collective? As opposed to the Borg Cooperative, Hugh's group?

    Its the Borgs Symbol. And the OP has a point. If theres one group I would not feel all too safe about having my back. Its the Borg. Theyre notorious for going back on their word the moment the opportunity arises.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    variant37 wrote: »
    I can't view the screenshot...but are we sure it's the Collective? As opposed to the Borg Cooperative, Hugh's group?

    It's definitely the Collective as it's the clawed hand logo.
    #TASforSTO
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,896 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    variant37 wrote: »
    I can't view the screenshot...but are we sure it's the Collective? As opposed to the Borg Cooperative, Hugh's group?

    Well it is the Borg insignia on the poster, does the cooperative use the same insignia as the Borg?
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    sirsitsalot wrote: »
    Hugh's faction also used that symbol.
    The Cooperative looks like THAT, 4 clawed hands uniting together, so no.
    #TASforSTO
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  • variant37variant37 Member Posts: 867 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    valianttome wrote: »
    Its the Borgs Symbol. And the OP has a point. If theres one group I would not feel all too safe about having my back. Its the Borg. Theyre notorious for going back on their word the moment the opportunity arises.

    If it's the Collective, I would assume that the Queen has recognized that the Iconians represent such a massive threat to the entire galaxy that it's in her best interests to have the Collective temporarily join forces with the Federation/KDF/Romulans. Of course it's to be expected that she would immediately turn on them the instant the Iconians were dealt with.
  • caylenrcaylenr Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    Why not? They're part of this galaxy too.

    Only because I don't have the time of day yet. :P
  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Cryptic is preparing you to join the collective.

    Resistance is Futile.
  • bioixibioixi Member Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    What's the faction on top of the borg collective? also, the one under the cardasians looks familiar, but can't remember which one is it.
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    sirsitsalot wrote: »
    In TNG, in the episode Descent, the banners and floor of the Borg compound had the single clawed hand symbol. That's hard canon. ANYTHING released for STO is soft canon at best. So when it isn't trumping itself, hard canon trumps soft canon...

    When you're arguing hard canon or any external soft canon, yes. Not when you're arguing from inside a given piece of soft canon - that soft canon's internal facts carry the trump. Hugh's ship uses the four clawed emblem in STO, it no longer uses the emblem of the Collective as he did in TNG.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    bioixi wrote: »
    What's the faction on top of the borg collective?
    According to Memory Beta, it's the logo of the Gorn Confederation (from ST Starfleet Command), which is weird, considering the Gorn Hegemony exists and has its own logo in STO too, as shown here.
    also, the one under the cardasians looks familiar, but can't remember which one is it.

    That's the Andorian one.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Faction

    edit: Er, offers up a guide to the symbols...so to speak...some aren't there.
  • bioixibioixi Member Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    saurializard wrote: »
    According to Memory Beta, it's the logo of the Gorn Confederation (from ST Starfleet Command), which is weird, considering the Gorn Hegemony exists and has its own logo in STO too.



    That's the Andorian one.

    Wow, who the hell designed that poster? they did a terrible job, the borg collective, 2 species from the federation, 1 symbol from another videogame, and the weird romulan empire symbol.
  • ragingloliragingloli Member Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Yeah, why not?
    Even Janeway temporarily allied with the Borg against Species 8472 (I refuse to call them Undine), just to get home faster.
  • doktormarengodoktormarengo Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I just assumed those symbols referred to the various species players could bring to battle as Boffs or Captains. So for the Borg I assumed Liberated Borg or Liberated Borg bridge officers.
  • bioixibioixi Member Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    doktormarengo wrote: »
    I just assumed those symbols referred to the various species players could bring to battle as Boffs or Captains. So for the Borg I assumed Liberated Borg or Liberated Borg bridge officers.

    There is no cardassian bridge officer.
  • grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    That symbol was first used by Hugh and his group. It has since been used for the collective as well, but Hugh used it first. Or technically Lore. Funny thing is, everyone uses it upside down. In the original episode, the round thing is at the top,not bottom.
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Why not ? They are facing the same enemies than us, and I'm pretty sure they are loosing to, badly. Vaadwaur were more than a match for them, and they were merely Iconians puppets.

    The only logical solution is to side with us. Sure, they'll betray us as soon as the threat is gone and they can take any advantage of the situation, but right now, they'll side with us.
    As they did with Janeway.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    United Federation of Planets - Romulan Republic - Klingon Empire
    Vulcan (backward?) - - Breen Confederacy
    Gorn Fleet - - Dominion
    Borg Collective - - Cardassian Union? / True Way Alliance?
    Ferengi Alliance (backward?) - Romulan Star Empire (old?) - Andorian Empire

    That's kind of interesting...

    Gorn Fleet (SFC) not Gorn Hegemony (neither the SFA older one nor the STO one).

    The Nov RSE logo instead of the Dec logo they went with...
  • jodarkriderjodarkrider Member Posts: 2,097 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Weirdly enough. I like it. :D
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  • kirimuffinkirimuffin Member Posts: 695 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    grylak wrote: »
    That symbol was first used by Hugh and his group. It has since been used for the collective as well, but Hugh used it first. Or technically Lore.

    Actually, the symbol first showed up in "Q, Who?" So yes, it is the Collective symbol. Hugh's faction is the one that used it upside-down.
    saurializard wrote: »
    The Cooperative looks like THAT, 4 clawed hands uniting together, so no.

    Prior to STO, Hugh's faction and the Cooperative were separate entities. In "Descent", Hugh's faction was shown using an upside-down version of the claw logo. Later, in "Unity", the Cooperative never gave any indication that they had run into Hugh's faction, so they were, at least at that point, two separate groups.

    Then STO had to come along and muddle things by showing Hugh working for the Cooperative. :P

    Regardless, seeing the right-side-up single claw on the poster like that is very jarring, particularly since the Collective still invades our space pretty darn regularly. Even so, if we are going to end up forging an alliance with the Collective in the future, at least there is precedent in canon. (I kind of hope it doesn't happen, though, because it was a stretch on Voyager and it would be a stretch here.)
  • oldravenman3025oldravenman3025 Member Posts: 1,892 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    saurializard wrote: »
    According to Memory Beta, it's the logo of the Gorn Confederation (from ST Starfleet Command), which is weird, considering the Gorn Hegemony exists and has its own logo in STO too, as shown here.



    That's the Andorian one.




    The Hegemony is part of the Klingon Empire in STO. And the Andorian Empire is one of the founding members (in full) of the UFP, so it's strange to see their symbol separate from the Federation Seal.



    A hint of future story missions, perhaps?



    And where are the Tholians? Laying low as usual? :rolleyes:
  • lazarus51166lazarus51166 Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    So... we're arguing about the borg logo being listed (which is probably a screwup on someones part and intended to refer to the cooperative)

    ...and nobody has mentioned the fact that the dominion logo is listed as well. you know, the dominion that specifically said not to ask them for help if the iconians showed up because they wanted no part of it

    am I really the only one who noticed that?
  • astro2244astro2244 Member Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    Why not? They're part of this galaxy too.

    I second this. A lot of these other factions had interesting storylines during seasons 2-5 iirc, that just got shelved after their FE series and never heard from again.

    I'd like to see more of this just as long as they don't form the Alpha quadrant: Guardians of the galaxy :D
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    astro2244 wrote: »
    I second this. A lot of these other factions had interesting storylines during seasons 2-5 iirc, that just got shelved after their FE series and never heard from again.

    I'd like to see more of this just as long as they don't form the Alpha quadrant: Guardians of the galaxy :D
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