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duncanaelduncanael Member Posts: 19 Arc User
edited April 2015 in Klingon Discussion
Hello fellow warriors!!

I created a new toon, a Klingon TAC, have another toon a lvl 60 RRF ENG with a Baratan-quasi-beamboat (mix mk xii and xiii)...and surprisingly i'm having more fun with the Klingon.

Being new to this ''side'' i have some questions:

A)After 50, being a TAC is there any other option besides the T6 Mat'ha ship? i dont think that is wise to buy a T5 or T5U seeing how cryptic is currently selling T6 ship. (altough mostly no new toys for the KDF)
And about the loadout? i want something quasi-canon, so basically will be DHC / Torp FORE, and cuting beam/ omni / turret AFT.
It will be mostly disruptor or disruptor hybrid (not something hideous like AP or Plasma or Phaser)

B) Social aspect? i've been reading that the Klingon side receives no developer love, and it is mainly an alt faction, it is so harshly? how about the queue times? are them crossfaction? How about the Fleets, are they active?

Thanks! and surely i will come back with more questions.
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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Firstly, welcome to the KDF, Warrior! You Honor our House.

    Dunno about the ships you're speaking of. My Klink TAC flies a FT5U Mogh with all MK XIII VR gear and he does okay. The only real complaint I had was sometimes his hull went "Pop!" with no warning. I made some slight adjustments to BOff Skills and this took care of it.

    Disruptors and Photons are what he uses. Although I do tend to mix them up a bit. Sometimes Nanite Disruptors and sometimes the Counter Command Disruptors, which I really like a lot. I also have a set of the Elachi beams, which are disruptors, but the proc for them while very nice, does not seem to happen as often as I like.

    Crell has a MU Vor'cha which is set up as a canon Cannon Boat. It worked well as long as I set up everything for maximum DPS. Which meant it was fragile until I learned to fly it correctly.

    Social aspects: It has been my personal experience people who play the KDF side seem much nicer and much better informed about the game and what works in it. They also seem to be more willing to share their know how. I am not saying the Fed side has no one who does these things. It just seems easier to me to find people who do this on Qo'noS than it does in ESD. I am not as inclined to look for advice and guidance when I am on the Blue Side, however.

    Queing for PUG STFs and Special Events is kinda hit or miss. Sometimes the Que begins almost immediately. And sometimes it takes as long as five minutes. It is rare to get an all KDF PUG these days, but it still happens.

    Most big KDF Fleets are paired with a Fed Fleet. And the KDF Fleet usually gets worked on after the Fed Fleet. Again, this is based upon my personal experiences and observations within the game. As to KDF Only Fleets, while I am sure there are some I am also unsure of where they are or how to contact them. To anyone else reading this: Could you help this guy out with finding a Fleet to call home? Thanks. Much appreciated.

    OP, if you would please include your ingame handle in your next post, it would help with people being able to send you a Fleet Invite. Again, welcome to the KDF! My KDF chars are named Crell and Cha. Please feel free to send me a Friend Request, OP. And thanks in advance for doing so.

    EDIT: OP, please click on the link in my sig for details on a player organized upcoming Event for the KDF!.
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  • darthkuribohdarthkuriboh Member Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    my tac Klingon uses the Mat'ha, and it's such a fun gun on engines. I can also recommend birds of prey teir 5u fleet version for the fun. I wouldn't go cannon/torp tho, go dbb in the front with omni disruptor and (this is optional but I like it) the biomolecular disruptor turret from rep in the rear with the omni
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    duncanael wrote: »
    Hello fellow warriors!!

    I created a new toon, a Klingon TAC, have another toon a lvl 60 RRF ENG with a Baratan-quasi-beamboat (mix mk xii and xiii)...and surprisingly i'm having more fun with the Klingon.

    Being new to this ''side'' i have some questions:

    A)After 50, being a TAC is there any other option besides the T6 Mat'ha ship? i dont think that is wise to buy a T5 or T5U seeing how cryptic is currently selling T6 ship. (altough mostly no new toys for the KDF)
    And about the loadout? i want something quasi-canon, so basically will be DHC / Torp FORE, and cuting beam/ omni / turret AFT.
    It will be mostly disruptor or disruptor hybrid (not something hideous like AP or Plasma or Phaser)

    B) Social aspect? i've been reading that the Klingon side receives no developer love, and it is mainly an alt faction, it is so harshly? how about the queue times? are them crossfaction? How about the Fleets, are they active?

    Thanks! and surely i will come back with more questions.

    Qapla!

    To answer your questions:

    A. The KDF has fewer ship options than the Feds. But since you have a Rom ENG, I'm assuming you're already used to Cryptic's limited ship options outside the Feds. If sticking only to T6, like the Roms, the KDF has very limited options. But the options that we do have are excellent offensive ships:

    T6 Mat'ha Raptor - The ONLY Raptor in the entire endgame lineup that is worth anything. A buzzsaw in damage.

    T6 Eclipse Intel Battlecruiser - Only Battlecruiser we have with Battlecloak. Tied with the Fleet K'T'Inga as best turning Battlecruiser with a 10 turn rate but has way more offensive capability. Has full access to Intel, has Gather Intel mechanics.

    T6 Negh'Var - Newest ship for the KDF. Great handling and a very robust Cmdr+LtCdr ENG station that is finally supplemented with a LtCdr TAC station.

    T6 Tactical Command FDC (Ty'Gokor) - Very good BOFF layout. Has a hangar. But it is hurt by the fact that it does not have the Weapon System Efficiency Cruiser Command to lessen weapons power drain. Otherwise it's a solid ship.

    B.
    The KDF playerbase is indeed smaller than the Feds. We also have a bit of an infestation of some Feds having farmer toons here. That said, the playerbase is still there just don't expect to see many like playing with the Feds would.

    Since you've played the Roms, you know how Cryptic handles faction development outside the Feds. Not well. Since the new year, after the Anniversary, it has gotten a bit better with Cryptic finally putting out ships for the factions on a more even schedule. Compared to DR's release where the only thing they had clearly worked on was Fed ships. Not to mention we have a new EP very recently. So we can only see how this goes.

    With the smaller playerbase, some of the few faction specific queues pop a lot slower. But then again, the queues in general for everyone have been a lot slower outside the handful that everyone is running.

    Fleets - Again, all down to our smaller playerbase. But as is with the Feds, there are always a variety of fleets out there. Small, large, active, inactive fleets, PVP fleets, RP fleets. They are out there and if you visit First City like you do ESD, you'll eventually see a bunch of recruitment drives.

    Last amusing thing: First City is very mellow and you do not need to turn away zone chat when you visit there :cool:
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,694 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I have the Delta Pack and the Mat'Ha is my favorite of the 3 fighter/escort types (Phantom, Faeht, Mat'Ha). Not only do you get the 5:2 weapon layout, but also the disruptor nose cannon is a great AOE weapon that gives you a scatter volley type attack. It's also the most sturdy of the 3 and is nimble enough to use with dual heavy cannons.

    I can't help with fleets because since I came back to the game after Delta I've been too busy with the chain of grinds on my alts (Mirror, Winter, Anniversary, Crystal) to look into them.
  • duncanaelduncanael Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Thanks for the advices!

    handle @duncanael (name Dunc'nah)
  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I made my first Klingon KDF yesterday. :)

    Qapla' warrior !
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    A. Currently, IMHO, the Mat'ha is the best tactical ship the KDF has at it's disposal. However, it's quite easy to find a good suitable ship for a tactical char, especially on the KDF side. So all the tactical and somewhat tactical cruisers would be a nice fit here as well as all the Birds of Prey. The T6 Ty'Gokor, the T6 Negh'var (Negh'tev) as well as the T5U Mogh, T5U Tor'Kaht (Fleet Vor'cha) and even the T5U Command Bortasqu' (if you like Fed-style cruiser play) are very good choices.

    Given the preference for T6 you stated and your preferred loadout - Ty'Gokor, Negh'tev or Mat'Ha, with a strong leaning towards the Mat'Ha. It's the ship you're looking for, for the aforementioned setup and if you're going to use disrupotrs anyway, may as well power up the epic spinal cannon of utter destruction! :D

    B. The population is quite smaller, it's no secret. However that has lead to the KDF players being generally more helpfull and friendly, at least in my experiences. Note that the social dynamics are quite different and don't expect to see endless and pointless chatter about all kinds of TRIBBLE in KDF social zones - they'll be quiet, but usually if you have an inquiry - there always will be someone to help and answer any questions.

    The fleets that exist are good and strong, most of them pretty active as well. If a fleet made it and stuck with the KDF side of things for this long, it's probably pretty active. I can't tell about the entire faction obviously, but the ones I'm in are pretty lively and strong. The situation isn't as harsh as you may be lead to believe, after all - we all are still playing and enjoying the KDF around here. There just isn't parity, but that's not something new and something that the new EP seems to be working on improving.

    Most of the queues in STO (in general) are cross-faction, so there's that. The waiting time is the same for everyone. There are several faction specific queues that have long waiting times and rarely pop via PUG, however KDF players usually utilize the KDF channels to socialize and form teams for any content including these faction-specific queues.

    Here's a link to the >KDF Channels List< that you might find helpfull in socializing and teaming.

    And by the beard of Kahless, wellcome to the KDF! :D

    Qapla'!
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    shpoks wrote: »
    A. Currently, IMHO, the Mat'ha is the best tactical ship the KDF has at it's disposal. However, it's quite easy to find a good suitable ship for a tactical char, especially on the KDF side. So all the tactical and somewhat tactical cruisers would be a nice fit here as well as all the Birds of Prey. The T6 Ty'Gokor, the T6 Negh'var (Negh'tev) as well as the T5U Mogh, T5U Tor'Kaht (Fleet Vor'cha) and even the T5U Command Bortasqu' (if you like Fed-style cruiser play) are very good choices.

    Given the preference for T6 you stated and your preferred loadout - Ty'Gokor, Negh'tev or Mat'Ha, with a strong leaning towards the Mat'Ha. It's the ship you're looking for, for the aforementioned setup and if you're going to use disrupotrs anyway, may as well power up the epic spinal cannon of utter destruction! :D

    B. The population is quite smaller, it's no secret. However that has lead to the KDF players being generally more helpfull and friendly, at least in my experiences. Note that the social dynamics are quite different and don't expect to see endless and pointless chatter about all kinds of TRIBBLE in KDF social zones - they'll be quiet, but usually if you have an inquiry - there always will be someone to help and answer any questions.

    The fleets that exist are good and strong, most of them pretty active as well. If a fleet made it and stuck with the KDF side of things for this long, it's probably pretty active. I can't tell about the entire faction obviously, but the ones I'm in are pretty lively and strong. The situation isn't as harsh as you may be lead to believe, after all - we all are still playing and enjoying the KDF around here. There just isn't parity, but that's not something new and something that the new EP seems to be working on improving.

    Most of the queues in STO (in general) are cross-faction, so there's that. The waiting time is the same for everyone. There are several faction specific queues that have long waiting times and rarely pop via PUG, however KDF players usually utilize the KDF channels to socialize and form teams for any content including these faction-specific queues.

    Here's a link to the >KDF Channels List< that you might find helpfull in socializing and teaming.

    And by the beard of Kahless, wellcome to the KDF! :D

    Qapla'!

    Says a guy who has the tier 6 galaxy in his sig? You should be ashamed warrior!

    Sorry had to go there :D
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    talonxv wrote: »
    Says a guy who has the tier 6 galaxy in his sig? You should be ashamed warrior!

    Sorry had to go there :D

    Hehe :) The Galaxy is a weak spot for me, the thing that got me into Star Trek as a kid.
    I'm just too happy that she got the treatment she rightuflly deserved, at last. And since I had the 'revamped Galaxy' sig for a year, I guess it's was only fair to have one thanking them for finally getting it right this time. :)
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    There is something that needs to be known about KDF when you get to the endgame levels. And that in some ways, the KDF is more expensive. Certain things that are faction specific will sometimes cost more on the exchange. DOFFs are the first, biggest example. A kind of DOFF may be a bit pricey on the exchange for the Feds but for the KDF it will be a lot more. The reason is due to population again. Fewer players, fewer drops when they open lockboxes/DOFF packs/promo packs, etc. We have fewer KDF specific things so at times it gets more pricey.

    We do have another luxury for KDF, KDF/Roms that's not replicatable with Fed/Fed/Roms. And that's easier access to the ever popular Plasmonic Leech. Plasmonic Leech comes from one of the low tier Nausicaan Destroyers in the C-Store. But that ship on the C-Store than all your KDF, KDF/Roms can claim that ship and grab the Plasmonic Leech. 1 purchase, faction account-wide access.
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    The new Negh'Var or even the Mogh. would be good. Even a Tac can make good use out of the KDF battlecruisers.

    My KDF Tac will be using the BOP. Once I get her up to lv50. Since my main KDF Eng is using Battlecruisers. So I will be using the free T5. Unless they come out with something else before she hits Lv50.
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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    If you're going to call yourself a 'klink' the empire doesn't want you around, go back to being a feddy.
    Here we are welcoming a new member to the Red Side and you choose to focus on the negative. A very minor negative at that. And you decide to be rude and insulting on top of it

    I think you should follow your own suggestion. Your post is an excellent example of the things I experience whenever I am foolish enough to spend time over on the Blue Side at ESD.

    Unless you're going to contribute something positive to assist our new battle brother, sod off.
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  • spyralpegacyonspyralpegacyon Member Posts: 408 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    My first Delta is KDF and I have to say, its been an enjoyable ride including the two best missions I've had the pleasure of playing here. I'm conflicted between her or my new Fed engineer being my 'main' but Kynda has the Plasmonic Leech, cannon-firing cruisers, her bat'leth, and - above all - her honor.

    (And maybe dreams of fitting out a T5U K't'inga once she's grown into her Qib. :D)
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  • darthkuribohdarthkuriboh Member Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Here we are welcoming a new member to the Red Side and you choose to focus on the negative. A very minor negative at that. And you decide to be rude and insulting on top of it

    I think you should follow your own suggestion. Your post is an excellent example of the things I experience whenever I am foolish enough to spend time over on the Blue Side at ESD.

    Unless you're going to contribute something positive to assist our new battle brother, sod off.

    no, he's right. I'm continually correcting people in the fleet group I'm in who refer to Klingons as "Klinks." I find it personally insulting and infuriating. I've spent a lot of time developing my KLINGON characters, and frankly, they do better than a lot of said fleet groups feddybears on almost everything, including pure damage output. Plus, as we all know, the Klingons have a distinct code of honor that the feddybears lack.
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    The 1st KDF tactical captain I created (Feb 2014) is currently flying the T5u B'Rel BoP Retrofit. It is a very fun ship to fly and pretty versatile as well; my KDF science captain flies the same ship. However, from the beginning I have decide that this tactical toon will only fly BoPs.

    My Delta Recruit is my 2nd KDF tactical captain, however, this time around I have decided to go with raptors for this toon. Therefore, eventually this captain will be flying the T6 Matha which came with the DR Ops Pack that I purchased.

    I am hoping that a T6 BoP will be released. Also hoping for a KDF and Romulan T6 science vessels as well.
  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    no, he's right. I'm continually correcting people in the fleet group I'm in who refer to Klingons as "Klinks." I find it personally insulting and infuriating. I've spent a lot of time developing my KLINGON characters, and frankly, they do better than a lot of said fleet groups feddybears on almost everything, including pure damage output. Plus, as we all know, the Klingons have a distinct code of honor that the feddybears lack.

    Klink is a bit of a derogative term in my view. I much prefer Kling or just plain KDF or Klingon. But I suppose one could say Fed or Feddie is also derogative.
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    I am hoping that a T6 BoP will be released. Also hoping for a KDF and Romulan T6 science vessels as well.

    I really want some decent science ships for the KDF. Said it before, said it again and will say it yet again until we get some. :D
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  • willamsheridanwillamsheridan Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Now, since i also created a new Kling again (deleted my old ones a while ago) i have a question too:

    I usually play Engineers as Fed and Romulan because Engineer/Cruiser works well. Now is there anything different about the Klingon Engineers or do they work as good? (been a while since i played a Klingon)
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    the only difference is in how it interacts with the ship you fly. Your captain powers are essentially the same regardless of faction.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    The captain classes all play the same in every faction. The difference really is the race you pick due to traits. Even then, the differences are really minor unless you roll Romulan/Reman with access to Romulan Operative/Infiltrator respectively. Those 2 traits actually make a big difference.
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  • freakiumfreakium Member Posts: 439 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    My current KDF Eng flies a Bortasqu' and it can be quite the beast. Granted it turns like an 18 wheeler but if you plan on only playing PvE, it's not much of a problem. I factor looks in mind as well as stats and with the Bortasqu', I can't help but hear "BattleCruiser operational" in my head. If you're a tactical officer though, you will have undoubtedly flown much more nimble ships so this may not be for you.

    A note on BoPs and raptors. Raptors are your traditional escort so not much to talk about. BoPs however all have the flanking mechanic, meaning you do more damage when you're shooting the enemy from behind. Interestingly enough, structures can also be shot at from behind, you just need to know where it is. I'm personally flying a BoP with my KDF tac and the first thing you will notice is that it is very easily a good day to die if you fly it slow. The BoPs are very squishy so you need to always keep your eye on your shields and hull and be aware of your surroundings. There's no parking still next to a Tac Cube and hoping it won't notice you!

    Many of the end game KDF ships are cruisers so your tac will only have up to Lt. Com. tac BOff options. If you want a truly tactical ship, the Mat'Ha is your best bet. I usually buy my ships during ship sales unless I really need to buy that one ship I've been eyeing. However, we just went through 2 recent ship sales so the wait may be a long one. They might have a ship sale a month or so after Season 10 but it can be hit or miss. Good luck finding your ship!
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