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ATTN DEVS: "Temporal Insight" trait and FBP.

heckgoblinheckgoblin Member Posts: 685
edited April 2015 in PC Gameplay Bug Reports
Starship Trait: "Improved Temporal Insight" When activating a Hull Heal on self, gain 4sec of Damage Immunity (max once per 45sec)

It's the same problem we had with Rock & Roll (which y'all acknowledged here) - this ability can be used to vape FBP users with 100% reliability, and not take retaliation damage.

Let's say I'm a vaper, and I want to blow up an FBPer. I pop a hull heal, then fire fully buffed SS3 at the FBPer. FBP hits the damage immunity, FBPer dies, I don't.

Please include an exception for reflected damage in the damage immunity provided by Temporal Insight - otherwise, this trait will render FBP, Haywire, Nukara shield, doffed Polarize Hull, and the Nanoprobe Feedback trait obsolete.
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  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,849 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    heckgoblin wrote: »
    Starship Trait: "Improved Temporal Insight" When activating a Hull Heal on self, gain 4sec of Damage Immunity (max once per 45sec)

    It's the same problem we had with Rock & Roll (which y'all acknowledged here) - this ability can be used to vape FBP users with 100% reliability, and not take retaliation damage.

    Let's say I'm a vaper, and I want to blow up an FBPer. I pop a hull heal, then fire fully buffed SS3 at the FBPer. FBP hits the damage immunity, FBPer dies, I don't.

    Please include an exception for reflected damage in the damage immunity provided by Temporal Insight - otherwise, this trait will render FBP, Haywire, Nukara shield, doffed Polarize Hull, and the Nanoprobe Feedback trait obsolete.

    Devs already said they would consider changing fbp to travel at beam speeds vs its current "torpedo" speed return. If that change is implemented,it would make the "Vaper" immunity not a problem.

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  • ukcaptain420ukcaptain420 Member Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    So what you're complaining about, if i get this right, is that there is a counter, to your counter.

    p.s. i'm not coming back to this thread to argue with you. just be aware that your argument is invaild.
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  • ussackermanussackerman Member Posts: 275 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2015
    Also, please keep in mind that SS3 has been nerfed substantially at this point.
  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    FBP is just fine.

    Signed,
    a FBP sci.

    But your concern is appreciated. Misplaced as it may be.
    :D
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  • baelogventurebaelogventure Member Posts: 1,002 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Bug Report?

    Shouldn't this be in the PvP forum to get Temporal Insight pre-emptively nerfed from PvP whiners?
  • cepholapoidcepholapoid Member Posts: 284 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I don't see the issue here. The trait, as you describe it, obsoletes FBP.....but really all you gotta do is hit a hull heal yourself, and there is your your fix. You just need to learn to hit something other than FBP to counter people.
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  • dova25dova25 Member Posts: 475
    edited March 2015
    cepholapoid wrote: »
    I don't see the issue here. The trait, as you describe it, obsoletes FBP.....but really all you gotta do is hit a hull heal yourself, and there is your your fix. You just need to learn to hit something other than FBP to counter people.

    A very good answer to OP trying to "nerf" the new not introduced yet new trait .................
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  • odinforever20000odinforever20000 Member Posts: 1,849 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    dova25 wrote: »
    A very good answer to OP trying to "nerf" the new not introduced yet new trait .................

    Dont nerf the trait...Just do fbp at beam speeds and call it a day.Problem solved.

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  • heckgoblinheckgoblin Member Posts: 685
    edited April 2015
    ukcaptain420 wrote: »
    So what you're complaining about, if i get this right, is that there is a counter, to your counter.

    p.s. i'm not coming back to this thread to argue with you. just be aware that your argument is invaild.

    No, your argument is invalid. If there's a counter to the counter, then the first counter might as well not exist. FBP exists to permit countering of instakill energy damage. If someone capable of inflicting instakill energy damage is also capable of making himself invulnerable while dealing it... then any power that exists to counter instakill damage is irrelevant.

    This makes FBP, Haywire, Nukara shield, Nanoprobe Feedback, and doffed Polarize Hull 100% obsolete. Fortunately, the devs have already recognized this issue with regard to Rock & Roll and damage reflect powers like the ones listed above. I imagine they'll make the same call when it comes to Temporal Insight.
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  • heckgoblinheckgoblin Member Posts: 685
    edited April 2015
    cepholapoid wrote: »
    I don't see the issue here. The trait, as you describe it, obsoletes FBP.....but really all you gotta do is hit a hull heal yourself, and there is your your fix. You just need to learn to hit something other than FBP to counter people.

    Proper energy vapers can kill their targets before they can pop Rock & Roll, which provides the same kind of damage immunity Temporal Insight does. The only way such targets have of countering such vapes, is damage reflection.

    If the vaper happens to be immune to all damage, and thus immune to damage reflection, the vaper can kill his target every time, with 100% effectiveness. FBP becomes irrelevant, as do all other damage reflect powers.

    For someone who says I'm not a threat, you sure try hard to oppose me when I point out obvious weaknesses in balance that might upset your ability to vape.
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