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Surgical Strike 3 - Incorrect Values?

tofutodutofutodu Member Posts: 26 Arc User
edited April 2015 in PC Gameplay Bug Reports
All tested on MK XIV Antiproton DHC. This is much more than the 21.5% reduction to base multiplier. Find it incredibly hard to believe CRF3 does +700 more DPS. Will test more when time allows. Hopefully not tooltip error. Yea, there is more crit + acc with SS3, but didn't think the base DPS drop off would be that much...

Base: 2782.5 Dmg (1855 DPS)

Surgical Strike 3: 6121.6 Dmg (2040.5 DPS)

CRF3: 3614.9 Dmg (2780.7 DPS)
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  • tofutodutofutodu Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Some preliminary numbers... SS3 hits 3 times. CRF3 hits 6 times. If you add two parses CRF3 damage (i.e. 1597 + 1466 = 3063), that is more than one parse of SS3 (2650 or 2301). This doesn't look good...


    Your Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons - Surgical Strikes III deals 2650 Antiproton Damage to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons - Surgical Strikes III deals 2301 Antiproton Damage to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons - Surgical Strikes III deals 9178 Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Borg Repair Hulk.



    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 1597 Antiproton Damage to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 1466 Antiproton Damage to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 1563 Antiproton Damage to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 5870 Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 1492 Antiproton Damage to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 1583 Antiproton Damage to Borg Repair Hulk.
  • tofutodutofutodu Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 5921 Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 5125 Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 1410 Antiproton Damage to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 5109 Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 5081 Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 5198 Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 1411 Antiproton Damage to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 1505 Antiproton Damage to Borg Repair Hulk.

    Your Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons - Surgical Strikes III deals 8698 Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons - Surgical Strikes III deals 9217 Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons - Surgical Strikes III deals 10213 Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons - Surgical Strikes III deals 2453 Antiproton Damage to Borg Repair Hulk.
  • dova25dova25 Member Posts: 475
    edited March 2015
    For some time i died more times from CRF fire than to SS3.

    If you can slot 4DHC+1DBB and CRF you can do a lot of damage to a single target.


    Edit : so if you compare a T5U escort with 5/2 weapon slots to a T6 intel bird I think the difference will be much bigger...
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  • hawkrunnerhawkrunner Member Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    tofutodu wrote: »
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 5921 Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 5125 Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 1410 Antiproton Damage to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 5109 Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 5081 Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 5198 Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 1411 Antiproton Damage to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Dual Heavy Antiproton Cannons - Rapid Fire III deals 1505 Antiproton Damage to Borg Repair Hulk.

    Your Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons - Surgical Strikes III deals 8698 Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons - Surgical Strikes III deals 9217 Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons - Surgical Strikes III deals 10213 Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Borg Repair Hulk.
    Your Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons - Surgical Strikes III deals 2453 Antiproton Damage to Borg Repair Hulk.

    So if I add up your CRF 3 and SS 3 damage, I get 30760 from CRF 3 and 30581 from SS 3. Seems pretty balanced to me, no?

    In your first post I get 14129 from SS 3 and 13571 from CRF 3.

    The abilities seem quite well balanced, and this is a very small sample size.

    You have to be careful about comparing only 2 lines of CRF 3 damage with 1 line of SS 3 damage because of critical hits, and how SS 3 modifies the chance/damage of critical hits.
  • tofutodutofutodu Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    hawkrunner wrote: »
    So if I add up your CRF 3 and SS 3 damage, I get 30760 from CRF 3 and 30581 from SS 3. Seems pretty balanced to me, no?

    In your first post I get 14129 from SS 3 and 13571 from CRF 3.

    The abilities seem quite well balanced, and this is a very small sample size.

    You have to be careful about comparing only 2 lines of CRF 3 damage with 1 line of SS 3 damage because of critical hits, and how SS 3 modifies the chance/damage of critical hits.

    Balanced, maybe. Intended, maybe not. SS3 was supposed to be a 21.5% reduction to base value. For the base DPS to be lower by 700+ is suspicious even with taking other modifiers into account.

    Also, you also have to keep in mind how the abilities are used. CRF3 can be used with BO3, whereas SS3 can't. Because of how it's currently used with other abilities, it feels a tad bit underpowered. Perhaps the gameplay mechanics should have been taken into account with the nerf.
  • hawkrunnerhawkrunner Member Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    tofutodu wrote: »
    CRF3 can be used with BO3, whereas SS3 can't. Because of how it's currently used with other abilities, it feels a tad bit underpowered. Perhaps the gameplay mechanics should have been taken into account with the nerf.

    That's an interesting point actually. Although, now I wonder how running BO3+CRF3 compares with SS3 active on both weapons. With SS3, you might lose some of the one-hit damage that you'd get from BO3, but over time I wonder if the increased damage, accuracy, and criticals make up for the loss?
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    tofutodu wrote: »
    Balanced, maybe. Intended, maybe not. SS3 was supposed to be a 21.5% reduction to base value. For the base DPS to be lower by 700+ is suspicious even with taking other modifiers into account.

    Also, you also have to keep in mind how the abilities are used. CRF3 can be used with BO3, whereas SS3 can't. Because of how it's currently used with other abilities, it feels a tad bit underpowered. Perhaps the gameplay mechanics should have been taken into account with the nerf.
    hawkrunner wrote: »
    That's an interesting point actually. Although, now I wonder how running BO3+CRF3 compares with SS3 active on both weapons. With SS3, you might lose some of the one-hit damage that you'd get from BO3, but over time I wonder if the increased damage, accuracy, and criticals make up for the loss?

    Also consider, that SS benefit from doffs that both reduce cannon skills, as well as beam skills.

    So, if you are an avid user of crf & bo + doffs for cd reduction, than ss will benefit from both of those doffs as well, making the cd for it pretty quick normally.

    Made even better, by the starship trait reciprocity but, this trait effects all tac skills anyways.
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  • nitefiuunitefiuu Member Posts: 253 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    heres my ss3 "skill"

    8:11] [Combat (Self)] Your Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons - Surgical Strikes III deals 79346 (39952) Antiproton Damage(Critical) to Sphere.
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