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Star Trek meets Thirdspace
sovereign47
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So recently I watched B5 movie called Thirdspace and I think it is one of the better movies I saw which implements an idea of really nasty and powerful aliens. It is shame we never saw these again in action. I think that with them, there could have been even greater war than the one with Shadows and Vorlons involved. Or it could have been a war in which the whole Galaxy would have fought against those Thirdspace aliens. That would be really awesome I think 
Unfortunately that is probably not going to happen, or better said we won't see them anymore.
However, we can still discuss an idea of Thirdspace aliens invasion in Star Trek universe and who would have won. Would Starfleet have a chance against them, or some more powerful race like Borg or 8472 would be better opponents?
Here is info about them: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Thirdspace_Alien
My personal opinion is that Thirdspace aliens would eventually defeat anything from ST Universe (aside from Iconians, Voth and maybe Vaadwaur), but with a great losses. Ok, some of the minor ST races like Ferengi for example would be squashed like an insects by Thirdspace aliens, but you do get a point. Now let's the discussion begin
Unfortunately that is probably not going to happen, or better said we won't see them anymore.
However, we can still discuss an idea of Thirdspace aliens invasion in Star Trek universe and who would have won. Would Starfleet have a chance against them, or some more powerful race like Borg or 8472 would be better opponents?
Here is info about them: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Thirdspace_Alien
My personal opinion is that Thirdspace aliens would eventually defeat anything from ST Universe (aside from Iconians, Voth and maybe Vaadwaur), but with a great losses. Ok, some of the minor ST races like Ferengi for example would be squashed like an insects by Thirdspace aliens, but you do get a point. Now let's the discussion begin
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Although their tech rivaled the Vorlons in the past, I think the fact that Star Trek has more advanced weapons and also has Shield Tech would level the playing field. Also... Most Star Trek ships are more submarine warfare/knife fight type ships while most Babylon 5 capital ships were... well... capital ships, big slow brutes that were designed to take as well as they can dish it out.
There are many factors to consider when talking about a crossover encounter like this.
BTW... Thirdspace is my favorite B5 movie.
I'd say from the trek universe, the Borg and 8472 are only races that would stand a decent chance against the thirdspace aliens
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Yes the Undine would be a good match, as I'd put them about at Vorlon level with their bioships and ability to destroy planets, however the Federation and other factions might have a technology level a bit above Minbari due to shield tech.
Granted we never did see a Thirdspace cruiser in action other than getting destroyed when the gate was destroyed. All we saw were a few of the attack ships. Can't classify them as fighters because they were about the size of a White Star I believe.
It doesn't help that it used the "uncovering an ancient power which could destroy us all" plot which was so frequent on Babylon 5 that, really, the security forces should just have had orders to shoot archaeologists on sight.
The conclusion - "Look, Znorg! A pathetic puny alien is attaching a large ticking parcel to our central power unit! Shall we remove it and destroy him?" "No, Sklarg, let us just flail ineffectively at him with our tentacles instead! It will be the last thing he is expecting!" - could have been better, I think.
(I am inclined to forgive the immense thermonuclear explosion which destroys the gateway and the fleet of invincible alien ships, but just tosses Captain Sheridan about a bit. By this time, you see, Sheridan has become immune to thermonuclear explosions... through repeated exposure.)
This is true.
I have experience as a Fanfiction author, who almost specialized in crossovers, and I have to think of how the differences affect things. Also how to tie two sides together in a believeable way.
For example, my story Sierra Echo, which was a Stargate SG-1/Sailor Moon crossover. I shifted the timeline a bit for Sailor Moon to accomidate SG-1, but really didn't have to do too much as they technically took place on two different sides of the Earth. But I did leave a few things around to help tie the two together, such as Lita (Makoto for those who don't know her English name) knowing Daniel Jackson from before the events of the original Stargate movie, how the ancient Lunar Kingdom was connected with the Ancients and Atlantis...
When dealing with crossovers, you gotta consider many factors as well as how you tie them together. How would Ami react to seeing the Stargate itself? How would SG-1's experience and gear work against the Youma?
I guess I approach these sort of things from a more practical perspective then "Well they're this so they automatically win because reasons".
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Wasnt that already done during TNG ?
ROFL Tasha Yar would definatly know
Yes, and those were not the ordinary shields, but ones that can absorb energy too making the weapons even less effective against them. That would be serious problem for ST races like Federation, Klingon, Romulans..., while probably not so much for Borg and 8472, but still they would have pretty hard time fighting against Thirdspacers.
Yes, that is probably true. And even then, I still don't think that either the Borg or 8472 would beat Thirdspacers. Especially not in the ground combat. On the other hand, the Iconians, Voth and perhaps Vaadwaur could have a chance against.
If the Vorlons couldn't handle them, species 8472 wouldn't be able to do it either. As it was said in the movie, Harbingers were extremely old and extremely powerful race. They destroyed thousands of races in their dimension and their telepathic powers are far ahead than those of 8472.
Sure, we never saw Thirdspace capital ships in action (unfortunately), but I'm sure they would wipe out entire armada of B5 white stars and station too with relative ease.
Only Vorlon and Shadow capital ships would be able to give them a decent opponents, but it would be still very difficult to beat them, because Thirdspace ships are not only more powerful, but they are also great in numbers I think.
As for their smaller ships I think that in the movie itself they've been classified as fighters and besides that, they are nowhere near the size of White Stars. White Stars are more than 400 meters in length, while TSA fighters are about 100 meters long. However, that is a little to big for a fighter. A destroyer would be more proper designation
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Yes, that was pretty lame ending of the movie. But perhaps the alien was too busy with controlling all those people on B5 and that is the reason why it haven't noticed the nuke. At least that is how I explain it to myself. But yes, I agree that it could have been better resolved than with John Nuke 'em Sheridan ending.
Those were very cool ships with some heavy firepower too. They remind me of STO escort ships with those pew-pew-pew tactics
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