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I'm not a romulan

grazyc2#7847 grazyc2
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edited March 2015 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Cryptic shame on you to insult the proud reman people....
We are being rejected and hunted on then when we finally build our way with the romulan people then cryptic falls asleep when writing the story lines.

First the Cardassian missions where my reman is called by the cardassian true way, they call me an klingon, then a surprised son off his uncle will is calling me an romulan, the mission with worf where i have been called several times a romulan, even by the feds I have been called a romulan then at the mission where the feds and klings make peace J'mpok call me an romulan....
Grrrr I'm not sure what the problem is with the writers but I'm A REMAN !!!

C'mon Cryptic promise the reman people you will change this in the future !!!
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  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    Cryptic shame on you to insult the proud reman people....
    We are being rejected and hunted on then when we finally build our way with the romulan people then cryptic falls asleep when writing the story lines.

    First the Cardassian missions where my reman is called by the cardassian true way, they call me an klingon, then a surprised son off his uncle will is calling me an romulan, the mission with worf where i have been called several times a romulan, even by the feds I have been called a romulan then at the mission where the feds and klings make peace J'mpok call me an romulan....
    Grrrr I'm not sure what the problem is with the writers but I'm A REMAN !!!

    C'mon Cryptic promise the reman people you will change this in the future !!!

    I just rolled (as a dry run for my Delta Recruit toon) a KDF alligned RR Vaadwaur (alien) and yeah, some of the wording is really cramping my style...
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  • nyniknynik Member Posts: 1,628 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Cryptic have already developed species dialogue branching tech and they employ a permanent writer to support the content team - so why is this happening?

    I suppose the argument could be leveled that despite these resources Cryptic simply can not be expected to write mission text (and therefore branching outcomes) to account for the vast range of possible permutations of species, factions and character temperaments.

    That however, just feels like a cop-out to me. I'm disappointed that the content team lead feels that this sort of thing can be sacrificed when development needs to be trimmed to keep things on time and within budget. Remember this is content that has to be repeated time and time again, and players are invested in their characters. These factors should be top considerations for stuff like this in my view.

    (two-cents)
  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Yepp, thats the biggest problem STO is facing currently and the devs greatest challenge.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,661 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    They just need to have separate $RACE vs. $FACTION tags in their scripting, and then to have someone actually edit / proofread the text.

    It's not rocket surgery!
  • colonelchenchuancolonelchenchuan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    davefenestrator wrote: »
    They just need to have separate $RACE vs. $FACTION tags in their scripting, and then to have someone actually edit / proofread the text.

    It's not rocket surgery!

    that still doesn't fix the actual horrific plot holes as to why you are doing that content.

    some of the klingon missions have a lot of text that is senseless as, well, anything but a Klingon. At least with Orions and Gorn they are military allies. But then as Rom/Reman you do missions where you go against your own people and the Klingons trash talk your species.
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  • svindal777svindal777 Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Think about the Pakled's having to deal with such complicated orders from Starfleet.
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  • nyniknynik Member Posts: 1,628 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    woodwhity wrote: »
    Yepp, thats the biggest problem STO is facing currently and the devs greatest challenge.

    What challenge? All the developers? If your comment was a retort of mine, then I'd just say that Cryptic have made the choice to have a dedicated writer and have already spent the money to create the tools to allow her to do her job effectively. However, they just don't seem to treat it as a worthwhile endeavor while making content (including remaking content).
  • khan1000khan1000 Member Posts: 264 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    thank you I'm a gorn i don't care about klingon honor
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  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I am a Ferasan, which is why I am the one sent here in the first place. Klingons lack the intelligence to get the job done. If you want a monkey to throw *censored*, then go ahead and call a Klingon. If you want someone destroyed, then you need to call a Ferasan.
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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    Cryptic shame on you to insult the proud reman people....
    We are being rejected and hunted on then when we finally build our way with the romulan people then cryptic falls asleep when writing the story lines.

    First the Cardassian missions where my reman is called by the cardassian true way, they call me an klingon, then a surprised son off his uncle will is calling me an romulan, the mission with worf where i have been called several times a romulan, even by the feds I have been called a romulan then at the mission where the feds and klings make peace J'mpok call me an romulan....
    Grrrr I'm not sure what the problem is with the writers but I'm A REMAN !!!

    C'mon Cryptic promise the reman people you will change this in the future !!!

    I am a romulan and my second officer (whether i want him or not and i dont) tovan khev acts like he is a klingon ...he even starts speaking like them ...and has stopped bathing...you can imagine the smell on my bridge :(
  • richardcranium63richardcranium63 Member Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I have to agree with the OP, and it goes beyond the things that were already pointed out.
    Delta Quadrant missions like Argala Patrol where the enemy species is random, yet most of the enemy dialog is Kazon. C'mon Cryptic! Quit being so friggin lazy. You really need to do a better job than this.
    And when are you gonna open up the Reman section on New Romulus?!?! It kills me that I can see it from the Staging Area yet I cannot go there, especially with my Reman toons. Dammit!
    Cryptic, get your shisa together & your house in order!
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,661 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    richardcranium63 wrote: »
    I have to agree with the OP, and it goes beyond the things that were already pointed out.
    Delta Quadrant missions like Argala Patrol where the enemy species is random, yet most of the enemy dialog is Kazon. C'mon Cryptic! Quit being so friggin lazy. You really need to do a better job than this.
    And when are you gonna open up the Reman section on New Romulus?!?! It kills me that I can see it from the Staging Area yet I cannot go there, especially with my Reman toons. Dammit!
    Cryptic, get your shisa together & your house in order!

    That's a great idea -- add a "help out in the Reman undercity" area to the New Romulus quests. They could use some of the props from the caves for plants and animals to save work. It could include a mix of staging area and open area quests (fixing equipment, fighting critters, checking for Tal Shiar ...)
  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2
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    edited March 2015
    nynik wrote: »
    Cryptic have already developed species dialogue branching tech and they employ a permanent writer to support the content team - so why is this happening?

    I suppose the argument could be leveled that despite these resources Cryptic simply can not be expected to write mission text (and therefore branching outcomes) to account for the vast range of possible permutations of species, factions and character temperaments.

    That however, just feels like a cop-out to me. I'm disappointed that the content team lead feels that this sort of thing can be sacrificed when development needs to be trimmed to keep things on time and within budget. Remember this is content that has to be repeated time and time again, and players are invested in their characters. These factors should be top considerations for stuff like this in my view.

    (two-cents)

    Like to comment on you here,Fact they hire a writer and so on is fine because the text is different between KDF, FED or ROM. My problem is however we pay for the reman and more than once there are storylines where they call you an romulan. if there is one thing my reman is not then it is a romulan. Remains even don't like romulans that much... but I do respect your post because there a lot of posts I have to agree on...
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  • tucker84tucker84 Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I've started a reman character during the extra xp weekend, and i am enjoying it pretty much!
    I was thinking the same when i went through the story. Why are they calling me a romulan? I mean i am the 2nd main species in the Romulan mini- faction. And i agree with the opening of the reman part of New Romulus! Remans need more love! And give us the Fed Reman Sci Boff's uniform as well! I want that shoulder pad, and the cape! Make it so!

    And if Cryptic doesn't want to use the appropriate species' names in dialogs, then just leave them out of the texts. Don't use them. Problem solved. Use the ranks! Oh wait, those are messed up too...
  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2
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    edited March 2015
    Reman need two things the station where Obisek is stationed that's their home and main area then on Mol Rhehan or New romulus the reman civilians need that undercity, also I think tekst have to change. Also reman need some more love in the the whole content. Because Klingons had some kind of honor toward the remans. But when playing as a reman I don't feel it when going thru the levels.

    We have to pay for the remans to unlock the reman now we need some love on it !!! So if you want to be in the storyline wait with buying the reman because you will be insulted more than once as you play !!!
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    jorantomalak wrote: »
    I am a romulan and my second officer (whether i want him or not and i dont) tovan khev acts like he is a klingon ...he even starts speaking like them ...and has stopped bathing...you can imagine the smell on my bridge :(

    Wimpy Rpmulans. I have a pack of Targs living on my bridge, right below my command seat. You are cordially invited to spent some time on my ship... XD

    @ OP: Well, aside from the fact that the Remans are a huge mistake by themselves (I know they have fans, but really, their creation for Nemesis made no sense at all) I actually am with you. STO features one-size-fits-all writing, the best you get is one for the "blue" side and one for the "red" side. The red side is always considered Klingon although the faction itself is in no way appropriate to represent either the Klingon Empire or any of the affiliated species. Romulans face another problem: They aren't even a faction. Like it or not, but as far as the game is concerned there are no Romulans. You are Blue or Red, not Green.

    Regarding faction design Cryptic really screwed the pooch but they already did when the game was designed. Fundamental mistakes that are still visible today. They could at least fx it by having someone going through the dialogue and implement minor modifications for every playable species and generic text for aliens. Also, having "Klingon" text does not mean the characters have to blabber about honour and yell "Qa'Pla!" all the time - this is just poor writing in general.
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  • cptjhuntercptjhunter Member Posts: 2,288 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Wimpy Rpmulans. I have a pack of Targs living on my bridge, right below my command seat. You are cordially invited to spent some time on my ship... XD

    @ OP: Well, aside from the fact that the Remans are a huge mistake by themselves (I know they have fans, but really, their creation for Nemesis made no sense at all) I actually am with you. STO features one-size-fits-all writing, the best you get is one for the "blue" side and one for the "red" side. The red side is always considered Klingon although the faction itself is in no way appropriate to represent either the Klingon Empire or any of the affiliated species. Romulans face another problem: They aren't even a faction. Like it or not, but as far as the game is concerned there are no Romulans. You are Blue or Red, not Green.

    Regarding faction design Cryptic really screwed the pooch but they already did when the game was designed. Fundamental mistakes that are still visible today. They could at least fx it by having someone going through the dialogue and implement minor modifications for every playable species and generic text for aliens. Also, having "Klingon" text does not mean the characters have to blabber about honour and yell "Qa'Pla!" all the time - this is just poor writing in general.

    Like the DR mission where you have to act like a lying, sneak, Romulan to get a Delta species alliance. All you can do is mumble an objection, and play along, The "diplomatic" blue in me would tell her to GFY, and the "warrior" red in me would just ram a torpedo up her @ss for what she was implying.If I had the option to stay true to faction beliefs in the Trek universe.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    cptjhunter wrote: »
    Like the DR mission where you have to act like a lying, sneak, Romulan to get a Delta species alliance. All you can do is mumble an objection, and play along, The "diplomatic" blue in me would tell her to GFY, and the "warrior" red in me would just ram a torpedo up her @ss for what she was implying.If I had the option to stay true to faction beliefs in the Trek universe.

    A good example right here. If you would play an Orion or Gorn and you would go by faction "expectations" your reacton would be different from a Klongons' altogether. The "blue" side has the advantage of representing a single entity that was formed on common believes - mind you, individuals can and should always have their own take on things, a Tellarite is also "different" clch
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  • woodwhitywoodwhity Member Posts: 2,636 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    We have to pay for the remans to unlock the reman now we need some love on it !!! So if you want to be in the storyline wait with buying the reman because you will be insulted more than once as you play !!!


    You only have to pay for it if you are impatient, as you get it for free after one of your chars unlocks New Romulus Reputation T5...
  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2
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    edited March 2015
    Yeah I know it just doesn't make sence....
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  • gonaliusgonalius Member Posts: 893 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    At least Obisek recognises you as a Reman, so that's something.
  • philipclaybergphilipclayberg Member Posts: 1,680
    edited March 2015
    gonalius wrote: »
    At least Obisek recognises you as a Reman, so that's something.

    True, but it does get annoying that no matter what your character race is, you still get: "Hello, little spy." Wonder if Obisek would actually say that to an 8-foot-tall Gorn. If so, that Gorn might not take it so calmly.
  • hfmuddhfmudd Member Posts: 881 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    cptjhunter wrote: »
    Like the DR mission where you have to act like a lying, sneak, Romulan to get a Delta species alliance. All you can do is mumble an objection, and play along, The "diplomatic" blue in me would tell her to GFY, and the "warrior" red in me would just ram a torpedo up her @ss for what she was implying.If I had the option to stay true to faction beliefs in the Trek universe.

    Hated that mission, for exactly those reasons. I end up having to skip that whole patrol bundle because of it.

    And yeah, my own Reman would very much like to see the undercity on NR made accessible.
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  • colonelchenchuancolonelchenchuan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    hfmudd wrote: »
    Hated that mission, for exactly those reasons. I end up having to skip that whole patrol bundle because of it.

    And yeah, my own Reman would very much like to see the undercity on NR made accessible.

    Sorry but Remans are the TRIBBLE children of TRIBBLE children.

    At least you got a costume option you can BUY and some ship skins.

    Could be worse, you could be Gorn. No costume options and only low level newbie ships, that you have to buy even though they are worthless after a week of leveling.
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  • stark2kstark2k Member Posts: 1,467 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    Cryptic shame on you to insult the proud reman people....
    We are being rejected and hunted on then when we finally build our way with the romulan people then cryptic falls asleep when writing the story lines.

    First the Cardassian missions where my reman is called by the cardassian true way, they call me an klingon, then a surprised son off his uncle will is calling me an romulan, the mission with worf where i have been called several times a romulan, even by the feds I have been called a romulan then at the mission where the feds and klings make peace J'mpok call me an romulan....
    Grrrr I'm not sure what the problem is with the writers but I'm A REMAN !!!

    C'mon Cryptic promise the reman people you will change this in the future !!!

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  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    If its any consolation the non Klingon KDF species are almost always assumed to be Klingon in the dialogue options. That or half the missions still refer to us as Starfleet because Cryptic couldn't be bothered to change the dialogue slightly when they ported the FEs to the red side.
  • colonelchenchuancolonelchenchuan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    zipagat wrote: »
    If its any consolation the non Klingon KDF species are almost always assumed to be Klingon in the dialogue options. That or half the missions still refer to us as Starfleet because Cryptic couldn't be bothered to change the dialogue slightly when they ported the FEs to the red side.

    it doesn't matter, they still have you doing "Federation" stuff.

    Like Harry&Harry missions.

    "Why don't YOU go talk to him"

    Yeah, that's a real good idea having a bloodthirsty Klingon warrior try and calm down emo Kobali Harry, because you know Klingons care and love hugging it out.

    In real life Not Harry would have gotten the business end of a disruptor.
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  • jarvisandalfredjarvisandalfred Member Posts: 1,549 Bug Hunter
    edited March 2015
    colonelchenchuan wrote: »
    that still doesn't fix the actual horrific plot holes as to why you are doing that content.

    some of the klingon missions have a lot of text that is senseless as, well, anything but a Klingon. At least with Orions and Gorn they are military allies. But then as Rom/Reman you do missions where you go against your own people and the Klingons trash talk your species.

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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    philipclayberg wrote: »
    True, but it does get annoying that no matter what your character race is, you still get: "Hello, little spy." Wonder if Obisek would actually say that to an 8-foot-tall Gorn. If so, that Gorn might not take it so calmly.
    other than snarling once or twice... I doubt much would come of it...
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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2
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    edited March 2015
    Was flying the mission where you help neelix people, I came on screen he sees a very big scimitar on the radar sees my face and he says ah an romulan I never seen a romulan before... I thought jesus not again....

    Also the mission a step between stars where Jarok is romulan and she knows that i'm reman and she talks to me like i'm a federation officer witch i'm not....


    give me back the time with shinson ....
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