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I liked the specialization system and had come to terms with it rather well. I was looking forward to new ones despite the long grind for each, as once you finish enough to 'fully slot' it's not that big of a deal IMO.
But I'm mixed on the coming expansion of Pilot to a full 30 points and the resulting changes to how Primary and Secondary specializations are defined. At least for what we know at the moment.
Currently the 30 point ones was split between space and ground. But by adding full 30 point one focused solely on Space, they just made the split version or Intel and Command... less than desirable. Who wants to slot abilities that can't use with what they are currently doing when they can slot others that they'll fully use?
Wish I had known this was coming, I would have done things differently. So instead of the 11 unspent points I have now, I would have done Commando instead of Intel and left 26 unspent for the new focused specializations. The fact that we can't respect these points make that fact rather painfully.
Oh well, past and current results are not predictive of future... bah, bah, bah.
So I'll take the benefits I have now and grind for the new ones in reasonable cheer.
But yeah Cryptic, not cool man.
But I'm mixed on the coming expansion of Pilot to a full 30 points and the resulting changes to how Primary and Secondary specializations are defined. At least for what we know at the moment.
Currently the 30 point ones was split between space and ground. But by adding full 30 point one focused solely on Space, they just made the split version or Intel and Command... less than desirable. Who wants to slot abilities that can't use with what they are currently doing when they can slot others that they'll fully use?
Wish I had known this was coming, I would have done things differently. So instead of the 11 unspent points I have now, I would have done Commando instead of Intel and left 26 unspent for the new focused specializations. The fact that we can't respect these points make that fact rather painfully.
Oh well, past and current results are not predictive of future... bah, bah, bah.
So I'll take the benefits I have now and grind for the new ones in reasonable cheer.
But yeah Cryptic, not cool man.
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The thing I'm concerned about is that this undoubtedly means Pilot Hybrid Bridge Seats with Pilot-specialized ships. All of these ship-exclusive seats are ironically making T6 ships LESS flexible. We'll probably never see an Intel Raider, or a Command Science Vessel at this rate.
Yep, I personally think it's a great move... Being able to use Primary Specialisations as Secondary, upto Teir 2, will give players greater flexibility in how they choose to play their characters...
I don't see this as meaning there will undoubtedly be Pilot seats, but even if this does come about, there's still nothing stopping players using those seats as more traditional builds, allowing as much flexibility as any existing ship...
I suspect the next Summer event ship will be a Command Science vessel, since that's the latest Specialisation released and an escort and cruiser already exists as rewards...
This. I'm okay with the changing definitions of character specializations (and we're completely copacetic if it comes with a specialization respec), but unless something changes about the way they handle BOff specialist seats, we're going to get a lot of highly-specialized ships (relative to what would otherwise be possible), likely with serious gaps in the offerings.
Also, I just bought the Fed Command Cruiser bundle a week or so ago, and if I'd known there'd probably a Pilot Escort coming along, I'd have saved a bundle of Zen instead. C'est la vie.
Sure, you can still use seats for the careers (rather than specializations) they're labeled with, but with the existing paradigm, we'll likely end up with a handful (and eventually, dozens) of specializations the BOff powers of which can only be used with a narrow selection of ships. Of course the paradigm can be changed--I'd like to see specialist seats work with two or three specialization, at least eventually--but as it stands, the T6 ship market is headed toward a very large selection of very highly-specialized ships.
Agreed. Simple elegant solution to the trees. Very unlike Cryptic.
A Pilot Risian ship would be awesome.
You think you're out, then they pull you back in...
Star Trek: Farscape.
Yeah, I agree here... I'd have liked to see Intel seats become Specialisation seats, allowing the player to assign any Specialist to them...
Unfortunately, I do suspect Cryptic foresaw greater profitability by selling ships with fixed Specialist Boff stations...
Does make me wonder what all the fuss was about with the XP nerfs in the first place. I mean if the permanent loss of 30 levels mean that little and all.
But if you all are good with it, fine. Cryptic is doing good work then. Carry on.
Adapt.
It's lost because I brought the 30 levels based upon the original specialization concept they put forth- i.e. the 30 point primary skills would be split between ground and space. It is what I was sold and what I spent my time purchasing.
I have *no* interest in space, and now that they are offering 30 point space only specialization paths- I will replace and never use the Intel abilities I purchased. Thus they are *lost* to me.
It that a hard concept for people to grasp? This wasn't a gift, this was a requirement for another 30 level grind for those who want to optimize for space combat.
dude, the change is now you can put pilot, command, or intel as primary and you can put commando, pilot, intel, or command as secondary. I can't see how this is bad.
Because I would never have brought Intel or Command at all if I had known there would be pure 30 point primaries. I have no use for 30 split points when I can have 30 dedicated to what I'm doing at the moment. I would have instead saved them for future pure specialties given how long they take to earn.
Dang, this really is *difficult* for people.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but I expected someone who does optimized builds to note this rather serious drawback by now...
Huh say what... how is it a serious drawback at all... you can now mix and match three different specialties (and later on more) depending on what and where you are fighting.
And lets be honest... specilization points aren't THAT hard to come buy. You act like by the time you get one specilization point your fingers are bloody nubs and your eyes have withdrawn into dried raisons and you've had to put on diapers so you could shat yourself.
I mean they take a while.. but not that bloody long. You knew... hell everyone knew... that Cryptic was going to come out with more primaries eventually and with Cryptic's track record of power creep everything you did in Command and Intel would become somewhat invalidated if you wanted to min/max and optimize.
All this does is allow you to keep your Intel and Command as primaries... but adds a third... and allows you to make Intel and Command as secondaries... if you wish.
You act like power creep has never occured in Cryptic... every... instead of practically every day.
And all and all this isn't that much power creep... in fact if gives you a choice to ignore it totally, keep pilot as a secondary and still keep Command or Intel as a primary... nothing is forcing you to change that... except your own personal issues... which I may suggest you go seek help for.
I can now make intelligence pilots or pilots with intel abilities and switch at hoc. All better than having to choose between totally different ones. Also cool I can pursue my plan to make space and ground toons further.
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So why don't you wait to see if they reset the spec trees when this goes live? Every time they made changes to the skill trees, they reset the tree and give you all of your points back to use. It is not out of the realm of possibilities that this will happen, though it is admittedly not guaranteed.
Would be cool if theyd do that with spec poits as well. I also think its time for re spec point tokens in zen store with 10 free ones/char for lifetimes.
Somehow I doubt this would happen though because we talk about player friendliness here which goes against the grinding nature of this game. With skill point respecs cryptic never had anything to loose. In this case they may loose our time we spend in game so its unlikely to happen and if so it would be worth 10k zen.
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And Pilot Specialization for BOs or not - you never know what the future holds, it could always contain a ship that you find cooler than the last offering. That's one of the risks of buying now instead of waiting indefinitely. But of course, waiting indefinitely means never having anything nice.
The difference between the skill tree and specializations is that there was a skill cap. That means you can't possibly learn everything, no matter how long you play or grind. If you made a bad choice, you're stuck with it forever, unless you can respec. By choosing for option A, you make it ipossible to achieve option B.
But you can max out all specializations. It might take a long time, but you're not stuck forever with a choice. If you choose Option A, you can still later take Option B.
There are a lot of letters left in the Greek alphabet for attack patterns. :rolleyes:
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well i thought it was a question vote to players recently and wasn't it to do more Missions 1st then fix or do more PVP 2nd and more content 3rd and so on and didn't mass people reply a fix needed to be in the voting choices and to have less grind and less abilities to get and less problems compounding more skills and junk before anything is fixed ??? Why did we vote ??? sorry for bad typing .... but wow still going in wrong direction even after that BIG VOTING OF PLAYERS MEANS NOTHING STILL ??? thank you for more junk pilot more tier to grind for higher fleet t6 starbase for more grind only again and for more new bad choice reputation again, next and horrible repeatable gameplay of delta is the only only for new stuff still yet again besides the new old one coming soon in a few days besides that no new content .... gees guys get it right less is more if you add the right stuff and less glorious junk ... Nuff said
the intelligence spec has too many valuable skills in space to lose it just yet.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
As a side note, you don't HAVE to buy every new ship that comes out. A few of the posters in this thread seem to think that they need to. The introduction of Pilot spec ships does not automatically mean you have to fork out 3500 zen (or whatever the next price bump will be) so let's not moan about expanding the Pilot spec tree on that basis. It makes you sound silly.
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Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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Ummm... What? What exactly do you mean by 'what's going to get Pilot skill'?
The Pilot Spec is being expanded and, short of potentially a new line of ships with a Pilot Specialisation Boff station and the Boffs themselves, nothing will 'get Pilot skill'...
Rock & Roll is Tier 2, man. Tier 2.
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Jeeez what a mistake thanks for pointing that out
now to edit my BooBoo
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse