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colonelmarik
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After trying and trying and trying over the last several days, I give up even bothering with the advanced STFs, let alone the elite ones. They've made it pretty much impossible to achieve the victory conditions, what with virtually invulnerable enemies with magic oneshot weapons, endless spam of AOE effects (like FAW and Gravity Well), and the general stupidity of some players. The result is failure after failure after failure.
I've tried to get ancient power cells, borg processors and the like, so I can equip my crew and ship, but after 150 attempts at various missions, I've not been able to get ONE. NOT EVEN ONE.
I'm all for challenge, but if it's going to be this damn near impossible to do, there needs to be another way to get these things for those of us who aren't ridiculously twinked out. As it stands, the game has been rendered inaccessible to a great many players.
Unless something is changed, I give up on these ridiculous guaranteed failure missions.
I've tried to get ancient power cells, borg processors and the like, so I can equip my crew and ship, but after 150 attempts at various missions, I've not been able to get ONE. NOT EVEN ONE.
I'm all for challenge, but if it's going to be this damn near impossible to do, there needs to be another way to get these things for those of us who aren't ridiculously twinked out. As it stands, the game has been rendered inaccessible to a great many players.
Unless something is changed, I give up on these ridiculous guaranteed failure missions.
Once, I was simply called Mojo. Now, I'm forced into a new name, but don't be fooled, I'm the original STO Mojo!
This game needs detailed crafting, exploration and interaction systems.
This game needs detailed crafting, exploration and interaction systems.
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Content is harder, sure. But no wins in 150 tries? Frankly, that makes it rather obvious that the problems is you. Ask for help, don't quit. Because completing an aSTF is seriously easy compared to most things in life - and if you've been around since 2012, you've got no excuse that I know of.
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Exactly.
I know they need work, but if you're 0-150 the problem is you.
Have you tried...I don't know... Shooting at the enemy?
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contact me &jellico1 in game if you wish to join a good fleet that will boost you up into the 75% success rate for pugs and 99% success rate in fleet stfs ground and space
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Goodluck
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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If you need any help or advice, let me know (@onerats). The learning curve on this game is kinda stupid, and the devs don't make vital information particularly easy to find. Of the astronomical number of potential builds out there, only a few variations on a couple of setups are really viable. Almost everything else is just junk.
i dont run these advanced queues, never had, i see it as a gigantic sink of time and effort that is better off used elsewhere.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
unless your in a 30K + monster dps machine or a competent Science ship skipper there is a great chance your advanced pug will fail
A lot of veteran players no longer use public Qs either making it worse than ever
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
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Eject warp plasma is terrible. Never equip it. Also, unless you're running a dedicated science setup you probably shouldn't bother with gravity well unless they're really getting close. There aren't many ships worth using that can equip gravity well anyway though, so you might have entirely the wrong ship to start with.
My guess is you're one of the people that thinks they know what they're doing, but actually is mostly doing the entirely wrong things. There's no shame in that, really. As I said, the game is pretty stupid when it comes to information and tooltips. Strategies that should be exactly the right thing to do fizzle in practice, and things that sound totally silly actually work far better than you'd think.
I saw this on another thread and thought it was quite interesting.
http://www.reddit.com/r/stobuilds/wiki/build_anatomy/build_types
It pretty much lists basic descriptions of all the current common "viable" builds and describes how and why they work. For the most part, if you're not using one of those - you're using one of the millions of other possible builds that just doesn't work for one (or a few dozen) reason or another.
See your problem is your not I n a 30K dps monster and cant solo the transformer yourself
You not in a sci ship with 2 grav wells and 2 TBrs to keep the nanite spheres away for 20 minutes while the inept pugs bang away at stuff until wow ! lets shoot the transformer its the last thing here!
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
This is part of the problem too. A cruiser's job isn't to take threat. There really are no tanks in the game. Everyone's job is to do as much damage as they possibly can, and cruisers happen to be the most adept at that currently. I haven't really bothered much with Borg Disconnected Advanced, as I've had no real reason to go and the dps channels don't run it much - but typically a properly set up (not just geared, aside from CrtDx3 or 4 weapons gear doesn't do THAT much) ship should be able to vape most any of the enemies in a moment or two.
Tbh though, my general advice (aside from getting your ship set up with one of those builds on that link and doing a minimum of 15 to 20k) would be to avoid pugging some of the STF's. Borg Disconnected is one that's just not worth the headache. It requires everyone to be fairly competent, either able to dispatch enemies so quickly they don't matter or smart enough to know how to evade them. A full team at that level from a pug.. the chances are astronomical.
That's kinda a misconception too. 30k isn't really a monster. At one point, sure.. but not anymore. Even with the armor pen / plasma fixes it's pretty easy to hit that high if you're doing things right and take the time to craft (or buy.. spendy though) proper CrtDx3 or higher weapons. If you're willing to sit around crafting sets of 5 arrays over and over, you can expect to get a CrtDx3 around once in a couple hundred (at least that's the odds). CrtDx2Pen is also about as good, though you want it to upgrade to CrtDx3Pen.
One interesting thing that happens with dps is that you actually get higher and higher dps simply by grouping with better players. When the whole team is running proper debuffs, manages TF/IF rotations, and finishes the whole thing in a couple minutes (before TF/IF wears off).. well, you get massive increases in damage. A 20k ship grouped with a 50k team might end up doing 30k.
What is this, 2004?
Zemok, CrtDx3 + weapons, Dlyrene, Marion, Exocomp, Leech, lobi consoles, character traits, certain ship or ship trait?
I'll admit that some of what's required to reach the upper echelons in dps is stupidly expensive, mainly because it all comes from old lockboxes. You can do reasonably well without it, but breaking 50k isn't likely to happen. For newer players or those that for one reason or another haven't acquired those things in the past.. this can be a big problem. Cryptic seems to be selling power creep at ludicrous speed, and they really need to stop. I think they somewhat sorta realized that with the specialization seats (trying to sell variety instead of power creep) but then shot themselves in the foot with ship traits. Course, that shot in the foot likely helped their wallet a great deal.
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I sure hope this is an exaggeration on your part, because if it isn't, well you need vastly improve on some dps gains badly!!!
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In normal borg disconnected, everything in range just explodes before it finishes the warping in animation. Cubes included.
That's the level of offense/defense everyone is capable of achieving if they actually know what they're doing. It does take at least a few of those spendy items - like a good ship, leech, and CrtDx3 or higher weapons in particular.. but even a fairly cheap Aux2Batt setup can perform quite well in the "lower" tiers of 10-20k, and even as high as 30k with the right traits and the like.
No, you need like 8k/player to beat them, 10-15k to make them easy. Having 30K dps just helps if you get stuck in a pug with people who haven't figured out how to point their ships at the targets yet.
Yes, you need more DPS post-DR, but let's not exaggerate. It only scares more people away from these queues if they think they need to go crazy with their builds.
About the veterans leaving the public queues, though.... Well, yeah. You have people there doing less damage than their pets, so you have to up your DPS to insane levels to overcome that, and now that means that you're drawing all the aggro and you die all the time. If your queue fails, then someone getting 1k dps in a skittles build will say it's your fault, n00b, for dying all the time. Fun!
Queues in DPS 10k mean that you can run other builds for other roles (be a healer there!) because you aren't burdened with winning the entire queue by yourself. And, yes, you can do whatever role you want and still get 10K dps. For example, my drain build on my sci alt in a Palisade gets 20K dps, but he could never carry a public queue by himself so he's useless there.
You can have 1K dps in borg disco and still win with a decent team if you know what you're doing. Good freers are hard to find in that mission because everyone just wants to pew-pew.
He was referring to being the only veteran player in a advanced Q
My Advice was based on that...based on that 8k dps isn't enough to save that Q nor is 15k
A drain science build wouldn't work either it would have to be a CC build something like 2 grav wells , 2 tractor beam repulsors type build, But you have to know ( How ) to use the repulsors !
The EASY build I think for noobs who don't understand the game would be the Klingon Vo'quo carrier I think its pets parse at like 8 to 10K :P
Its Sad the Feds don't have a ship/with pets like this for new players
But like you said in the 10k channel its easy..you got mostly vet players there so you can have a reasonable ship
In a 4 man pug most likely you will have to carry the pug in a extreme ship unless your blessed with another vet player or 2 showing up in your Q
There that Bad now
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Not quite why we don't pug. We generally want aggro for reciprocity, and for the most part there's little to nothing that presents any real danger to a decent ship in advanced. I generally park my cruiser as close as I can get to the gates in Khitomer and still be just behind them to flank. Kinda park right inside them. You do more damage up close, and reciprocity.. well, parked it won't do a lot.. but it's better than nothing, and I like my anchored trait.
So really.. parked within point blank range of the hardest hitting object in the queue (which most stay out of 9k range of).. with an anchored trait reducing my defense to NEGATIVE levels.. and I generally don't die. Occasionally it'll get in a torpedo crit while my shields are down, but that's the exception.. not the rule. Really, there's not a lot of danger in these things. I've literally run them in pugged groups where I got all the aggro.. with no shields equipped, and didn't die in Cure, Khitomer, or Infected advanced. Dying's just not really an issue.
OP, please link your build and we will try to help you.
If this is true than fails are as much your fault as rest of PUG. From what you saying I assume you're doing something near 1-2k DPS, and this is extremely low even for tank builds.
Any solo mission/episodes is doable in a shuttle, you don't need any real firepower or skills to complete them. They are none measure of the quality of a build.
so it all goes to private queues with a specific set of people which ironically damages the game a lot more for the social element of the game, it is an MMO.
why it damages it is because everyone should be in the same boat, random pug groups should be a fun experience where people meet and learn from each other. yet isolating each group to a private queue? It means you get clusters of communities of players doing their own thing and walled off in a bubble, in effect it helps no one when this community wont help that comunity because of x,y and z in relation to not being in their community and not knowing them, it should not be a serious thing. the whole point in a random pug group is to learn about the community and other players while having some fun.
i knew from the moment this queue system came on holodeck that it was trouble, i didnt like it then and i still dont like it. like technology and like reason, as much as you try to advance on something that doesnt need it, overcomplicate and overdesigns the whole thing and ends up worse then where it started, it didnt need it. people calling out for teams had an element of interaction between the player base, people had to actually do something. its too bad people forget they have their heads up their asses sometimes especially considering how its handled.
but nowhere in that message did i imply an entitlement claim to cryptic to try fix it, that is upto them how they wish to improve or destroy the game.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.